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Murmansk

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May 17, 2013, 12:55:09 PM5/17/13
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1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.

There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to judge the size from just a bit of noise.

I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a squirrel.

I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing to see or hear.

Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to approach the problem?

I've had a look up near the gutters from outside and I can't see any obvious holes - I remember someone I knew had a squirrel in there and there was a hole that had been nibbled in the soffit board but there's no sign of that.

Dis Manibus

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May 17, 2013, 1:46:13 PM5/17/13
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"Murmansk" <stai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Squirrels are noisy. Destructive little buggers, too. I've had a few - they
like to pile up the insulation, and chew anything (including joists) made of
wood. Get a cage trap, and put some peanut butter in - you'll catch it very
soon. It's illegal to free them in the wild, so do it while no-one's
looking, if you haven't the heart to kill it.


ARW

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May 17, 2013, 2:24:52 PM5/17/13
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Murmansk wrote:
> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>
> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through
> the bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard
> to judge the size from just a bit of noise.
>
> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a
> squirrel.

> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing
> to see or hear.
>
> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to
> approach the problem?

A bird.

Open the loft hatch and let it find it's way into the house.
--
Adam


The Natural Philosopher

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May 17, 2013, 4:04:41 PM5/17/13
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On 17/05/13 17:55, Murmansk wrote:
> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>
> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to judge the size from just a bit of noise.
>
> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a squirrel.
>
> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing to see or hear.
>
> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to approach the problem?

mouse if it scurries.

Put up trap.

>
> I've had a look up near the gutters from outside and I can't see any obvious holes - I remember someone I knew had a squirrel in there and there was a hole that had been nibbled in the soffit board but there's no sign of that.
mice can get through very small holes. cable runs etc. One chewed
through a lighting cable here. Dunno what happened to it.



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polygonum

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May 17, 2013, 5:52:18 PM5/17/13
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Glis glis?

Can be quite scratchy and noisy. What area - I assume not Russia?

--
Rod

harry

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May 18, 2013, 2:02:35 AM5/18/13
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> I've had a look up near the gutters from outside and I can't see any obvious holes - I remember someone I knew had a squirrel in there and there was a hole that had been nibbled in the soffit board but there's no sign of that.Ads not by this site

Put down some rat poison.
If it is rats or mice they will be dead on the tray.
If no result, that leaves bird or squirrel.
They can get in small holes.
You need to fill even small holes with
wire netting or whatever.
You need some ventilation into your
roof space BTW.


Look for the shit, it is all quite different for a clue.
All rodents can be really destructive,
they gnaw at wood and wiring.
They can run with easy up walls that look
unclimbable.

Rod Speed

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May 18, 2013, 2:31:31 AM5/18/13
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"harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On May 17, 5:55 pm, Murmansk <stainb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>>
>> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the
>> bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to
>> judge the size from just a bit of noise.
>>
>> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a squirrel.
>>
>> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing to
>> see or hear.
>>
>> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to approach
>> the problem?
>>
>> I've had a look up near the gutters from outside and I can't see any
>> obvious holes - I remember someone I knew had a squirrel in there and
>> there was a hole that had been nibbled in the soffit board but there's no
>> sign of that.Ads not by this site
>
> Put down some rat poison.
> If it is rats or mice they will be dead on the tray.

None of the mice I have poisoned have ever ended up
dead on the tray. The mouse poison I use doesn't kill
that quickly. It is very effective tho, just slower than that.

Martin Brown

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May 18, 2013, 3:17:27 AM5/18/13
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On 18/05/2013 07:31, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "harry" <harry...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:c5b1d890-46bf-4ced...@cl8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 17, 5:55 pm, Murmansk <stainb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>>>
>>> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through
>>> the bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard
>>> to judge the size from just a bit of noise.
>>>
>>> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a
>>> squirrel.
>>>
>>> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing
>>> to see or hear.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to
>>> approach the problem?
>>>
>>> I've had a look up near the gutters from outside and I can't see any
>>> obvious holes - I remember someone I knew had a squirrel in there and
>>> there was a hole that had been nibbled in the soffit board but
>>> there's no sign of that.Ads not by this site
>>
>> Put down some rat poison.
>> If it is rats or mice they will be dead on the tray.
>
> None of the mice I have poisoned have ever ended up
> dead on the tray. The mouse poison I use doesn't kill
> that quickly. It is very effective tho, just slower than that.

The only time I have ever had one dead whilst eating something was in
the greenhouse one that ate a bit of a rare deadly poison South African
succulent plant and did not move after that moment.

The ones that ate the datura seeds which was my other naturally
occurring rodent bait in the greenhouse would run around in circles for
a while before they expired.

>> If no result, that leaves bird or squirrel.
>> They can get in small holes.
>> You need to fill even small holes with
>> wire netting or whatever.
>> You need some ventilation into your
>> roof space BTW.
>>
>>
>> Look for the shit, it is all quite different for a clue.
>> All rodents can be really destructive,
>> they gnaw at wood and wiring.
>> They can run with easy up walls that look
>> unclimbable.

I'd definitely put down baited physical mouse traps and poison. That way
you stand some chance of finding out what it is. They otherwise crawl
away and die in a dark corner making a smell if a rat.

Bats are also a possibility at this time of year although they only make
a noticeable noise for about a week in early July when the young ones
are learning to fly and hit the ceiling with a thud.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Mentalguy2k8

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May 18, 2013, 7:11:41 AM5/18/13
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"Murmansk" <stai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>
> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the
> bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to judge
> the size from just a bit of noise.

Absolutely true story, my cousin in Australia became suddenly ill with
lymphoma in his 20s and was very poorly, and did his chemo mostly at home.
During this time, my Uncle (his Dad) kept hearing noises in the loft, he'd
already had the loft space secured due to previous "visitors" so the only
way in (for anything bigger than a spider) was through the ceiling hatch
which hadn't been open for weeks.

When he went up there, he found a black cat sitting in the exact spot above
my cousin's bed, but it wouldn't let my Uncle go near it and it refused to
move. So he left it alone (on the advice of my Auntie who is a bit of a
psychic type and attracts this kind of thing) and just left the hatch open
so it could make its own way out. The cat sat there for 2 weeks, Uncle put
food and water up there for it but it didn't appear to eat or drink any of
it. The same day my cousin finished his last dose of chemo and started
making a recovery, the cat disappeared, never seen again. My cousin went
into remission and has been well for the last 20 years.

Geo

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May 18, 2013, 8:34:59 AM5/18/13
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On Fri, 17 May 2013 09:55:09 -0700 (PDT), Murmansk
<stai...@gmail.com> wrote:


>There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to judge the size from just a bit of noise.

Fix up a webcam of some sort with infra red lighting and find out what
the sort of pest is disturbing the peace.

TW

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May 18, 2013, 1:01:24 PM5/18/13
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"Murmansk" <stai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>
> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the
> bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to judge
> the size from just a bit of noise.
>
> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a squirrel.
>
> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing to see
> or hear.
>
> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to approach
> the problem?
>

Hello,

A good indicator is if it is active during the day, it's probably a
squirrel, if mainly active at night, rat or mice.

If it's a squirrel, wear thick clothing and full face helmet if you have one
when you open the hatch as they will attack you when you come into "their"
territory.

Mice are quite easy to trap but poisoning is more effective against rats.
They generally die outside the house so getting a "stinker" is not actually
that common unless you find their entry point and block it while they're
still in residence.

Keep replenishing the poison once they are taking it until they stop. If
you're getting no sleep, poisoning seems to take forever (can be 3 weeks).
Keep at it, it will work. Once they are taking the poison, do not move the
bait station when you refill it.

I have no connection to them but "Formula B" from
www.pestcontrolsupermarket.com worked for my problem visitors earlier this
year. It got rid of the rats too :-)

Hope this helps, good luck.

TW.



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Andy Champ

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May 18, 2013, 6:15:47 PM5/18/13
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On 18/05/2013 18:01, TW wrote:
> A good indicator is if it is active during the day, it's probably a
> squirrel, if mainly active at night, rat or mice.

Our squirrel was usually active just after we put the lights out to go
to sleep. Made chewing noises, which is not a recipe for relaxed sleep.

Didn't attack me, just ran out when I shone a torch on it.

Andy

GMM

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May 18, 2013, 6:21:44 PM5/18/13
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On 17/05/2013 17:55, Murmansk wrote:
My money would be on squirrels. We had them in the loft of my last
place and it sounded like they had all their mates round for sprint
races every night. They also ripped up all the fibreglass insulation
and piled in it one corner for a nest.

They were getting in from an adjacent roof.

Poison soon sorted it.

Gib Bogle

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May 18, 2013, 7:41:44 PM5/18/13
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How do you know it's true? Did you see the cat?

Gib Bogle

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May 18, 2013, 7:43:17 PM5/18/13
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Prickly nest!

Dis Manibus

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May 18, 2013, 9:32:46 PM5/18/13
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"TW" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Murmansk" <stai...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cbb9efe7-99f6-488f...@googlegroups.com...
>> 1930s brick semi in suburbia, with a slate roof.
>>
>> There's something running around in my loft - I can hear it through the
>> bedroom ceiling and it sounds quite big, but then again it's hard to
>> judge the size from just a bit of noise.
>>
>> I guess the most likely candidates would be a mouse, a rat or a squirrel.
>>
>> I've put my head through the loft hatch and of course there nothing to
>> see or hear.
>>
>> Any ideas on what this is most likely to be and the best way to approach
>> the problem?
>>
>
> Hello,
>
> A good indicator is if it is active during the day, it's probably a
> squirrel, if mainly active at night, rat or mice.

My squirrels (I've had about three, before I got the roofline done) used to
come in late evening, and go out very early in the morning. Very predictable
times each day. The loft was obviously somewhere they just spent the night.
I used to wonder how they got in there, until one day I just saw one walking
up the wall, and climbing backward into a hole in the soffit where the
ventilation mesh had corroded away. Amazing agility. I wasn't too bothered
until I saw how much damage they'd done.

Terry Fields

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May 19, 2013, 8:19:54 AM5/19/13
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On Sat, 18 May 2013 08:17:27 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

> The ones that ate the datura seeds which was my other naturally
> occurring rodent bait in the greenhouse would run around in circles for
> a while before they expired.

<cough>

Any particular variety of datura?

--
Terry Fields

Martin Brown

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May 19, 2013, 4:20:35 PM5/19/13
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Meteloides and stramonium along with various cultivars.
I suspect the species ones seeds were the more potent.

The perfume in the early summer evenings is hypnotic...

I still get volunteers from ones planted in the borders so the seed must
remain viable for in the ground even with cold winters.

Cultivars expired when my greenhouse was trashed by winter storms.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Rick Hughes

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May 19, 2013, 4:37:38 PM5/19/13
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On 17/05/2013 17:55, Murmansk wrote:
Do you have a lot of Polish workers in your area ?

John Walliker

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May 19, 2013, 4:49:04 PM5/19/13
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On May 19, 12:43 am, Gib Bogle <g.bo...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote:

> > My money would be on squirrels.  We had them in the loft of my last
> > place and it sounded like they had all their mates round for sprint
> > races every night.  They also ripped up all the fibreglass insulation
> > and piled in it one corner for a nest.
>
> Prickly nest!

No. When we had a squirrel in the loft it started its nest with
fibreglass insulation, then lined it with wood shavings from the
rafters just above. It removed about one third of the cross section
of a couple of rafters.

I recorded its activities for a while with a webcam before fixing the
loose brick that had allowed its entry. As already mentioned, very
regular habits, including having a good scratch just before going to
bed.

John

polygonum

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May 19, 2013, 4:53:26 PM5/19/13
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What? Its nuts?

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Rod

Gib Bogle

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May 19, 2013, 5:14:23 PM5/19/13
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LOL

John Walliker

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May 19, 2013, 6:03:38 PM5/19/13
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No, armpits.

GMM

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May 19, 2013, 6:42:42 PM5/19/13
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On 19/05/2013 21:49, John Walliker wrote:
Ahh...I've no idea whether mine did that as the fibreglass was piled up
in a relatively inaccessible corner of the loft so I never investigated.
I simply deemed that to be well insulated (ie about a cubic metre
filling the space) when I got around to replacing the rest of the
fibreglass.....

Wouldn't fancy nesting in fibreglass myself though - maybe they run
around a lot because they're so itchy!

Bill

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May 19, 2013, 7:17:23 PM5/19/13
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In message <E9adnfQJ5Ib4yATM...@bt.com>, GMM
<GlMiMa-AT-yahoo.co.uk@?.?.invalid> writes

>>
>Ahh...I've no idea whether mine did that as the fibreglass was piled up
>in a relatively inaccessible corner of the loft so I never
>investigated. I simply deemed that to be well insulated (ie about a
>cubic metre filling the space) when I got around to replacing the rest
>of the fibreglass.....
>
>Wouldn't fancy nesting in fibreglass myself though - maybe they run
>around a lot because they're so itchy!


We had them in the attic at work, where the glass fibre had been moved
when the smoke heads were fitted there was bare plasterboard. This is
where the squirrels used as a loo. Presumably to avoid itchy bums?
The first we knew about it was when we investigated why the fire alarm
went off in the early hours. The guy that took down the offending
sensor was not amused when a large amount of smelly liquid poured over
him out of the sensor.
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Bill

Terry Fields

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May 20, 2013, 3:50:21 AM5/20/13
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Many thanks for the info.

I gave up the battle with lily beetle, but would enjoy something that was strongly scented in the evenings to
replace them.

Sorry to hear of your greenhouse - hope it's back up and running soon.

--
Terry Fields

Jon Fairbairn

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May 20, 2013, 4:18:36 AM5/20/13
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GMM <GlMiMa-AT-yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> On 17/05/2013 17:55, Murmansk wrote:
>> There's something running around in my loft
>>
> My money would be on squirrels.

> Poison soon sorted it.

Reminds me of this:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/115/first-day?act=2
from a rookie cop in the US who was called to a house with
noises (a squirrel) in the loft. The delivery is a bit slow, but
it’s mildly amusing.

--
Jón Fairbairn Jon.Fa...@cl.cam.ac.uk
http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2012-10-07)

mike.my...@gmail.com

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Mar 30, 2017, 2:47:08 PM3/30/17
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I've had similar problems in the past. It turned out to be mice.
I tried all of the recommended classic spring traps, poison bait pellets but the mice just bred and multiplied in number really quickly. In the end somebody recommended Electronic trap.

Amzn.to/2no9shc

Within a few minutes this trap had caught its first mouse and over the next few weeks caught a staggering 20 mice. We weren't aware we had such a mouse infestation in our attic but this trap is ruthless when it comes to getting rid of mice.

Rod Speed

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<mike.my...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've had similar problems in the past. It turned out to be mice.
> I tried all of the recommended classic spring traps, poison bait pellets
> but the mice just bred and multiplied in number really quickly. In the end
> somebody recommended Electronic trap.

> Amzn.to/2no9shc

Wouldn’t follow such a dubious looking link myself.

NY

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Mar 31, 2017, 3:21:21 AM3/31/17
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"Rod Speed" <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Pray that it's only mice and not rats. We had a rat in our loft (only the
one, fortunately), but after a few days in which it sounded like a herd of
elephants stomping around above the bedroom, then thing died. And the smell
was vile. Our loft had been boarded with MDF and when I tried to lift one to
see how easy it would be to do to locate the rat, I found that the previous
owners of the house has used a belt and braces approach: not only were the
boards screwed down, but also they had been very firmly glued down as well.
I took out all the screws of a trial board and it still would not budge -
not even slightly. Fortunately the rat had considerately died within arm's
length of the end of the boarded section in the eaves, so I was able to
reach in with a plastic bag over my hand to remove the corpse.

Brian Gaff

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Mar 31, 2017, 3:43:41 AM3/31/17
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Unfortunately as you suggest mice do breed very shortly after birth and the
expansion is then exponential. Most prey animals have evolved this way.
I've not heard of this trap, and wondered what the factor responsible for
its success was.

Brian

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Brian Gaff

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Yes of course the link might be ruthless in botting paces, which was what I
was getting at when I commented about the trap in tyhe last message, but
thought it might have been too subtle to warn people so sent this one.
I guess you could set up a microwave like a trap, at least you cold sell
the cooked mice as delicacies afterwards.
Brian

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Nick

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Mar 31, 2017, 3:51:01 AM3/31/17
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On 31/03/2017 08:43, Brian Gaff wrote:

> I've not heard of this trap, and wondered what the factor responsible for
> its success was.
>
You have heard of it now.

So I guess they are hoping for success by spamming.


Adrian Caspersz

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Mar 31, 2017, 5:23:08 AM3/31/17
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On 30/03/17 19:47, mike.my...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've had similar problems in the past. It turned out to be mice.
> I tried all of the recommended classic spring traps, poison bait pellets

> Amzn.to/2no

With mike's affiliate link stripped out, that's ...

Pest-Stop Electronic Rat Killer - £31.97
Dispatched and sold by Amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000FII3YW


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Phil L

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Mar 31, 2017, 7:35:30 AM3/31/17
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Thought it smelled of spam when I first looked at the OP...'the mice just
multiplied after eating poison bait pellets' - yeah OK, they must be
different mice to every other normal mouse that dies when it's poisoned.


Unknown

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Mar 31, 2017, 8:21:15 AM3/31/17
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:47:04 -0700 (PDT), mike.my...@gmail.com
wrote:
We had a terrible mouse problem and tried humane traps, more
conventional ones and even got the council's pest controller in;
Nothing worked. In the end we got a cat and, many years later, not a
mouse to be heard or seen (nor any droppings).
Apparently the mice can smell a cat so don't enter the house but go
elsewhere.
- Mike
[and Luna the hunting cat]
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