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Fred

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May 5, 2012, 6:50:20 AM5/5/12
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me what those double ended screws are called,
typically used to join two curtain poles together?

Screwfix sell these which have a wood thread one end and a screw
thread the other; but what I need has a wood thread at both ends.
http://www.screwfix.com/p/machine-thread-to-wood-thread-dowel-screws-m8-x-75mm-pack-of-10/11850

I bought a curtain pole some months ago; never got round to fitting it
until now, and I find it does not have any fittings in the pack. Due
to the time that has passed and I don't know where my receipt is, I
doubt the shop will be any help.

If I knew the proper name for what I want, I might have more luck
finding it or asking for it.

TIA

Robin

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May 5, 2012, 8:23:45 AM5/5/12
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> Can anyone tell me what those double ended screws are called,
> typically used to join two curtain poles together?
>
Sometimes at least "dowel screw". Given S/Fix and Toolstation don't
have them that B&Q allegedly do?

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Robin
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harry

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May 5, 2012, 12:54:58 PM5/5/12
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On May 5, 11:50 am, Fred <f...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me what those double ended screws are called,
> typically used to join two curtain poles together?
>
> Screwfix sell these which have a wood thread one end and a screw
> thread the other; but what I need has a wood thread at both ends.http://www.screwfix.com/p/machine-thread-to-wood-thread-dowel-screws-...
>
> I bought a curtain pole some months ago; never got round to fitting it
> until now, and I find it does not have any fittings in the pack. Due
> to the time that has passed and I don't know where my receipt is, I
> doubt the shop will be any help.
>
> If I knew the proper name for what I want, I might have more luck
> finding it or asking for it.
>
> TIA

Screwfix used to have them.

Him & Her

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May 5, 2012, 2:22:41 PM5/5/12
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"Fred" <fr...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote in message
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: Hi,
B & Q do two sizes.........

Dowel Screw AVF-852053 Pack Of 4 (W)5mm x (L)50mm
EAN: 5020789852053 £2.88

===========

Dowel Screw AVF-852060 Pack Of 4 (W)8mm x (L)75mm
EAN: 5020789852060 £2.98


Robin

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May 5, 2012, 2:24:52 PM5/5/12
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PS

Apologies for the illiterate post (due to my inability these days to
type while answering phone). In recompense a link to possible B&Q
product:

http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/hardware/screws/interior_wood_screws/-specificproducttype-dowel_screws/Dowel-Screw-AVF-852060-Pack-Of-4-W-8mm-x-L-75mm-9708048

They do a smaller size too.

Gazz

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May 5, 2012, 4:42:43 PM5/5/12
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"Robin" <rb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> PS
>
> Apologies for the illiterate post (due to my inability these days to type
> while answering phone). In recompense a link to possible B&Q product:
>
> http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/hardware/screws/interior_wood_screws/-specificproducttype-dowel_screws/Dowel-Screw-AVF-852060-Pack-Of-4-W-8mm-x-L-75mm-9708048
>
> They do a smaller size too.

Fuckinell, you deserve some sort of award for getting something meaningfull
from a B&Q site search,

fred

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May 5, 2012, 5:02:18 PM5/5/12
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In article <jo43c0$5qt$1...@dont-email.me>, Gazz <n...@spam.ta> writes
Whilst respect is due, he may have cheated:

Plug: "dowel screw site:diy.com" into your favourite search engine
(without quotes) to make it do the hard work for you.

It's the only way to search B&Q and other user unfriendly sites (and
some friendly ones too).
--
fred
it's a ba-na-na . . . .

Windmill

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May 6, 2012, 4:46:40 AM5/6/12
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Grinding wheel in drill; long ordinary wood screw in vise grips; grind
off the head of the screw then 'sharpen' that end; drill a hole of a
suitable diameter in end of pole then screw in an unmodified wood screw
(to make a kind of a thread in the hole); unscrew the standard screw
then screw the 'sharpened' end of the modified screw into the pole;
screw the standard end into whatever, as you would have done with a
double-ended screw.

Works for me to fasten wooden knobs to wooden shutters, drawers, etc.

Maybe you could even use an angle grinder!


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stuart noble

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May 7, 2012, 5:15:50 AM5/7/12
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On 06/05/2012 09:46, Windmill wrote:
> Fred<fr...@no-email.here.invalid> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>
>> Can anyone tell me what those double ended screws are called,
>> typically used to join two curtain poles together?
>
>> Screwfix sell these which have a wood thread one end and a screw
>> thread the other; but what I need has a wood thread at both ends.
>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/machine-thread-to-wood-thread-dowel-screws-m8-x-75mm-pack-of-10/11850
>
>> I bought a curtain pole some months ago; never got round to fitting it
>> until now, and I find it does not have any fittings in the pack. Due
>> to the time that has passed and I don't know where my receipt is, I
>> doubt the shop will be any help.
>
>> If I knew the proper name for what I want, I might have more luck
>> finding it or asking for it.
>
> Grinding wheel in drill; long ordinary wood screw in vise grips; grind
> off the head of the screw then 'sharpen' that end; drill a hole of a
> suitable diameter in end of pole then screw in an unmodified wood screw
> (to make a kind of a thread in the hole); unscrew the standard screw
> then screw the 'sharpened' end of the modified screw into the pole;
> screw the standard end into whatever, as you would have done with a
> double-ended screw.
>
> Works for me to fasten wooden knobs to wooden shutters, drawers, etc.
>
> Maybe you could even use an angle grinder!
>
>

The poles I fitted recently are joined by a metal pin with no thread

Hugh - Was Invisible

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May 7, 2012, 5:39:37 AM5/7/12
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Possible to drill out and fix with dowel and glue?

stuart noble

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May 7, 2012, 8:29:58 AM5/7/12
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If you shorten the rails you need to drill new holes anyway (5mm IIRC),
but the central bracket supports the join. It's not rigid, but it
doesn't need to be really.

Fred

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May 7, 2012, 11:07:44 AM5/7/12
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On Sat, 5 May 2012 19:22:41 +0100, "Him & Her" <conta...@group.ok>
wrote:

>B & Q do two sizes.........
>
>Dowel Screw AVF-852053 Pack Of 4 (W)5mm x (L)50mm
>EAN: 5020789852053 £2.88

Thanks for all your help. As it happens, the retailer of the curtain
pole kindly gave me a replacement. However I had to go to B&Q for
something else and whilst there I found these packets; I was very
impressed that they had them, though they are a bit pricey.

Once I knew that they were called "dowel screws" I was able to search
for them. I found some on ebay but most of those were for smaller
sizes. One inch long and one and half inches long were common. The one
and a half inch may have been enough for my needs but the one inch
would have been too small. I was surprised there was a market for the
1" size and surprised that there were not more of the 2" ones for
sale, I would have thought they would be more useful.

Thanks again.

Fred

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May 7, 2012, 12:15:49 PM5/7/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 08:46:40 GMT, spam-n...@Onetel.net.uk.invalid
(Windmill) wrote:

>Grinding wheel in drill; long ordinary wood screw in vise grips; grind
>off the head of the screw then 'sharpen' that end
[...]
>Maybe you could even use an angle grinder!

I have an angle grinder but not a grinding wheel for my drill ;)

My first thought was that at the head end, the thread would be the
wrong way round. I mistakenly thought the thread on each half went the
complimentary ways, but looking at the one I have here, the thread
goes in one direction along he whole length, so what you suggest would
work.

I was half expecting someone to say that they would make their own
using a metalworking lathe. Sadly I don't have a metalworking lathe
(nor a woodworking one for that matter). We weren't taught metalwork
at school, which is a great pity.

Fred

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May 7, 2012, 4:10:50 PM5/7/12
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On Mon, 07 May 2012 10:39:37 +0100, "Hugh - Was Invisible"
<invi...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
>Possible to drill out and fix with dowel and glue?

Thanks. I had thought of that as a back-up plan. I had intended to use
one of Screwfix's wood-to-metal ones: screw the wood side in as normal
on one pole, and drill a hole and araldite the metal end into the
other pole.

Windmill

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May 9, 2012, 7:24:27 PM5/9/12
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Nor was I. Did get a minimal amount of woodworking. Maybe that was for
those who couldn't cope with the minimal amount of ancient Greek, but
neither class had any appreciable effect on me :-)

Man at B&Q

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May 10, 2012, 7:30:32 AM5/10/12
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On May 5, 9:42 pm, "Gazz" <n...@spam.ta> wrote:
> "Robin" <r...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jo3r97$m60$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> > PS
>
> > Apologies for the illiterate post (due to my inability these days to type
> > while answering phone).  In recompense a link to possible B&Q product:
>
> >http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/hardware/screws/interior_wood_screws/-spec...
>
> > They do a smaller size too.
>
> Fuckinell, you deserve some sort of award for getting something meaningfull
> from a B&Q site search,

You must be thick if you can't type "dowel screw" in the search box,
resulting in: http://search.diy.com/search#w=dowel%20screw

MBQ

britl...@gmail.com

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May 10, 2014, 12:52:23 PM5/10/14
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On Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:50:20 UTC+1, Fred wrote:
> Hi, they are called double ended dowel wood screws and ebay sells them in abundance. (You can also get wood to metal double ended dowel screws)

Terri :-)

harryagain

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May 11, 2014, 3:32:53 AM5/11/14
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<britl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Double ended screws is what they are called, I got dozens of them just by a
search for that.

You probably will find the screw idea won't help.
Better to drill the ends and glue in some hefty dowelling rod.
Even then it may need extra support if the curtain is heavy.


Lobster

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May 11, 2014, 5:21:11 AM5/11/14
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On 11 May 2014, "harryagain" <harry...@btinternet.com> grunted:

> <britl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6498fd4e-3ff7-46f3...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 11:50:20 UTC+1, Fred wrote:
>>> Hi, they are called double ended dowel wood screws and ebay sells
>>> them in abundance. (You can also get wood to metal double ended
>>> dowel screws)

>>> Can anyone tell me what those double ended screws are called,
>>> typically used to join two curtain poles together?
>>>
>>> Screwfix sell these which have a wood thread one end and a screw
>>> thread the other; but what I need has a wood thread at both ends.
>>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/machine-thread-to-wood-thread-dowel-screws-
>>> m8-x-75mm-pack-of-10/11850
>>>
>
> You probably will find the screw idea won't help.
> Better to drill the ends and glue in some hefty dowelling rod.
> Even then it may need extra support if the curtain is heavy.

They are what are supplied with those curtain rail kits, for spans of more
than about a metre - the instructions always state that the joint *must*
coincide with a support, which is provided. I've fittee many of them, and
they work fine.

--
David
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