Short power cable

[Davey]

Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace their
old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a power lead
about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the kitchen is
within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not the one I want
to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension to get the socket
close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating health
and Safety thing?
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Davey.

[Nightjar]

It was introduced to reduce the probability that children might pull the
cord and bring a kettle full of boiling water down upon themselves

You can buy longer leads:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/10m-uk-power-cable-(kettle-lead-3-pin)-rb-307

Colin Bignell

[dennis@home]

Not much use for a kettle though as it is missing the grove in the
connector that makes it into a kettle lead.

[Nightjar]

'Image for illustration purposes only' usually means they have used a
stock image because they don't have one of the actual product.

Colin Bignell

[Graham.]

Don't real kettle leads (for kettles) have a groove on the flat side?

And anyway, how do you know the OP hasn't got a new-fanged "cordless"
(sic) cord?

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[Graham.]

http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=rb-307
The item is under computer hardware, and I don't see any other
domestic appliance accessories on the Scan site.

IEC leads are often called kettle leads in the IT industry it's
incorrect, but people generally know what you mean.



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[Nightjar]

I only chose that one because it was the most ridiculous long one I
could find.

> IEC leads are often called kettle leads in the IT industry it's
> incorrect, but people generally know what you mean.

On a web site selling to consumers, it is not only incorrect; it is
illegal under the Trade Descriptions Act 1968.

Colin Bignell

[Bob Eager]

Anyway, isn't the point of the groove to stop you using the PC-style
ones, which are not heat resistant?

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[Clive George]

On 01/05/2013 20:18, Nightjar wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 20:16, dennis@home wrote:
>> On 01/05/2013 20:04, Nightjar wrote:
>>> On 01/05/2013 19:56, Davey wrote:
>>>> Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace their
>>>> old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a power
>>>> lead
>>>> about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the kitchen is
>>>> within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not the one I want
>>>> to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension to get the socket
>>>> close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
>>>> Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating health
>>>> and Safety thing?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was introduced to reduce the probability that children might pull the
>>> cord and bring a kettle full of boiling water down upon themselves
>>>
>>> You can buy longer leads:
>>>
>>> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/10m-uk-power-cable-(kettle-lead-3-pin)-rb-307
>>>

>> Not much use for a kettle though as it is missing the grove in the
>> connector that makes it into a kettle lead.
>
> 'Image for illustration purposes only' usually means they have used a
> stock image because they don't have one of the actual product.

That one is probably a "kettle lead" rather than an actual kettle lead -
people use the name to refer to C13/C14 connectors without the slot in.

You need a supplier of something other than computers.

[Roger Mills]

On 01/05/2013 19:56, Davey wrote:

Is it a cordless kettle? If so, are you sure that there's not some more
cable wound up inside the base?
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[Dave Liquorice]

On 1 May 2013 19:47:46 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

> Anyway, isn't the point of the groove to stop you using the PC-style
> ones, which are not heat resistant?

Yep, the grooved females are "hot condition".

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[D.M.Chapman]

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,

Used in Kettles, and some HP switches (3500 IIRC)

How we laughed late one night refitting a load of kit in a rack when we
realised this... grrrr

Darren

[Andy Burns]

Graham. wrote:

> Don't real kettle leads (for kettles) have a groove on the flat side?

yes, hot condition C15 plug, I believe

[Graham.]

Of course the *real* Russell Hobbs kettles has a big round connector
that got bodily ejected when the overheat thermostat tripped.



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[Alexander Lamaison]

New-fangled? I've not seen a kettle with an old-fasioned plug-in lead
since I was a wee nipper. Do they even make them any more?

A quick Argos search suggests not:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Search/searchTerms/KETTLE.htm

Alex

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[Andy Burns]

Graham. wrote:

> Of course the *real* Russell Hobbs kettles has a big round connector
> that got bodily ejected when the overheat thermostat tripped.

Not seen any surviving examples for a long time, most jugs kettles
nowadays seem to make do with a glorified Belling Lee *aerial* connector

[Paul Herber]

If it's a cordless kettle have a look under the base, you might find it coiled round a
couple of times, you'll end up with an extra couple of feet.


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[Davey]

How many meanings can we get out of that?
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Davey.

[Davey]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 21:14:18 +0100
Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/2013 19:56, Davey wrote:
> > Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace
> > their old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a
> > power lead about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the
> > kitchen is within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not
> > the one I want to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension
> > to get the socket close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
> > Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating
> > health and Safety thing?
>
> Is it a cordless kettle? If so, are you sure that there's not some
> more cable wound up inside the base?

I did look when I unpacked it, and there is no mention in the 'manual',
but I will make a more detailed inspection, screwdriver in hand. Thanks.
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Davey.

[Frank Erskine]

Can you still get "round" kettle plugs as were used some 30 years ago?
I don't want one - just curious!

Then there were the old "iron" (10A?) flat connectors with 2 pins and
a side spring arrangement for earthing... :-)

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Frank

[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

Straight into the sink where you were washing up.

Last one I actually used I nobbled so it could no longer eject, we
were running a 240volt kettle on 110 volt supply as using that crude
method it heated the pitch nicely before it got poured into a silver
tea pot whose spout had just right shape to pour into the plank seams
of a boat deck we were caulking. The kettle must have been nearly 50
years old and suffered our abuse for a considerable time.
The owner of tea pot was pretty peeved when she found what we had used
it for though.

G.Harman

G.Harman

[Bill]

In message <lcednV8V9pPmEBzM...@brightview.co.uk>, Andy
Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> writes

I still have the old kettle in readiness here for the next time I have
to steam a long piece of timber. It has a rim where the lid fits. I slip
the layflat polythene tube over this rim, tie the string round to keep
it in place, thread the tube over the timber, plug in the kettle with
its old round plug and off it goes. Refill water as necessary through
the spout. As it was winter we used old pyjamas as insulation around the
tube. Pine vapour makes you woozy.

We did the boat timbers this way, horizontal so they would bend around
the frames while still hot.. The last rubbing strakes we stood in the
kettle outside the shed and it worked like a steaming flagpole..

Modern kettles, pah!


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Bill

[Andy Burns]

Bill wrote:
> I still have the old kettle in readiness here for the next time I have
> to steam a long piece of timber.

> We did the boat timbers this way
>

> Modern kettles, pah!

For the George Elmy (hopefully you watched them) I noticed Fred had a
few wallpaper steamers to power his steamboxes ...

[Dave Liquorice]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 22:47:40 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Not seen any surviving examples for a long time, most jugs kettles
> nowadays seem to make do with a glorified Belling Lee *aerial*
> connector

B-)

Only those with a "put in on in any orientation base". The £6 Tesco
jobbie we have ATM has what looks suspiciously like an IEC male mounted
vertically into the base of the kettle. ie the pin size and arrangement
looks like it but there is no shroud.

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Cheers
Dave.

[Dave Liquorice]

On Wed, 1 May 2013 23:34:07 +0100, Davey wrote:

>> Is it a cordless kettle? If so, are you sure that there's not some
>> more cable wound up inside the base?
>
> I did look when I unpacked it, and there is no mention in the 'manual',
> but I will make a more detailed inspection, screwdriver in hand.

If there is any more cable you won't need a screwdriver to get at it.

As others have said it's so kettle is out of reach of children whose
parents can't be arsed to keep their young children out of the kitchen or
warn them of the danger "kettle, hot, don't touch" or the namby pamby
ones who refuse to use the word "no" to their child in case it devalues
the childs self essteem. They'll steam alright with a kettle full of
boiling water over 'em...

Modern kitchens tend to have sockets every three to four feet along the
worktop runs so a "short" lead isn't a great issue in the main.

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Cheers
Dave.

[charles]

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk>,
Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:

>

> Modern kitchens tend to have sockets every three to four feet along the
> worktop runs so a "short" lead isn't a great issue in the main.

there has been a change. When we moved into our first house, there was only
one (15A) socket in the kitchen, situated so the kettle lead would have to
cross the gas cooker to find a worktop.

our present kitchen, fitted by me in 1988, has 4 double sokctes above the
worktop and 3 doubles elsewhere in the room, as well as dedicated sockets
for fridge, dishwasher, extractor fan, boiler and waste diposal unit.

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[Brian Gaff]

Don't know but toasters, kettles and even one microwave seem to have been
short changed with cable recently. In the case of a toaster, I can see that
a looped lead could get burned through, but a kettle?


Brian

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"Davey" <da...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:klrogq$1t7$1...@n102.xanadu-bbs.net...

> Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace their
> old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a power lead
> about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the kitchen is
> within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not the one I want
> to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension to get the socket
> close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
> Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating health
> and Safety thing?

> --
> Davey.

[Brian Gaff]

Actually many jug kettles seem to have captive leads on the bases these
days.

Brian

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"Nightjar" <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote in message
news:MoSdnb7Cdtyx-hzM...@giganews.com...

> On 01/05/2013 19:56, Davey wrote:

>> Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace their
>> old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a power lead
>> about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the kitchen is
>> within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not the one I want
>> to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension to get the socket
>> close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
>> Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating health
>> and Safety thing?
>>
>

[Davey]

On Thu, 2 May 2013 09:02:47 +0100
"Brian Gaff" <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Actually many jug kettles seem to have captive leads on the bases
> these days.
>
> Brian
>

Yes, thanks all. I found the extra coiled-up cable once I had
good daylight rather than electric light. It's not much more cable, but
it's enough.
The house is very old, so doesn't have a modern power-point layout, and
this is important. The old cable was still longer than this one, but
it's ok now.
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Davey.

[whisky-dave]

On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:18:56 PM UTC+1, Nightjar wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 20:16, dennis@home wrote:
>
> > On 01/05/2013 20:04, Nightjar wrote:
>

> >> On 01/05/2013 19:56, Davey wrote:
>
> >>> Have just bought a new Russell-Hobbs electric kettle, to replace their
>
> >>> old 'Forgettle' of several decades vintage. The new one has a power lead
>
> >>> about 16 inches long, and only one of the sockets in the kitchen is
>
> >>> within this distance from the counter-top, and it's not the one I want
>
> >>> to use. So I will have to add some sort of extension to get the socket
>
> >>> close enough to the kettle for it to be useable.
>
> >>> Is this Russell-Hobbs being cheap, or is it some self-defeating health
>
> >>> and Safety thing?
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >> It was introduced to reduce the probability that children might pull the
>
> >> cord and bring a kettle full of boiling water down upon themselves
>
> >>
>
> >> You can buy longer leads:
>
> >>
>
> >> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/10m-uk-power-cable-(kettle-lead-3-pin)-rb-307
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Colin Bignell
>
> >
>

> > Not much use for a kettle though as it is missing the grove in the
>
> > connector that makes it into a kettle lead.
>
>
>
> 'Image for illustration purposes only' usually means they have used a
>
> stock image because they don't have one of the actual product.

I hate it when they do that, why bother if the picture isn't the product !

[Graham.]

On Thu, 02 May 2013 08:35:35 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 1 May 2013 23:34:07 +0100, Davey wrote:
>
>>> Is it a cordless kettle? If so, are you sure that there's not some
>>> more cable wound up inside the base?
>>
>> I did look when I unpacked it, and there is no mention in the 'manual',
>> but I will make a more detailed inspection, screwdriver in hand.
>
>If there is any more cable you won't need a screwdriver to get at it.
>

And even if there was you would need more than one screwdriver. The
manufactures have to keep up their "no user serviceable parts"
pretense.

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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <lcednV8V9pPmEBzM...@brightview.co.uk>,

Andy Burns <usenet....@adslpipe.co.uk> writes:
> Graham. wrote:
>
>> Of course the *real* Russell Hobbs kettles has a big round connector
>> that got bodily ejected when the overheat thermostat tripped.
>
> Not seen any surviving examples for a long time, most jugs kettles

I still have one that's working fine, although it's not the main
kitchen kettle for some time now.
It's 30 years old, and it does still clean up well, looking almost new
except for one small dent.
Years ago (probably very shortly after I got it), I replaced the
flex with a spiral/sprung one (the big round connectors are rewirable).
That means it stretches for filling under the tap, without excess flex
snaking around the worktop afterwards.

I've never tripped the overheat stat on it.

> nowadays seem to make do with a glorified Belling Lee *aerial* connector

Yes. I sometimes have to clean the contacts on those, to make them
work again.

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[Graham.]

It doesn't even make sense. The fact that it's illustrative seems to
me to reinforce the belief that it *does* pertain to the product.


"Emergency telephones not in use". That's good, you wouldn't want to
wait while somebody else was using it.

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Graham.

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