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R D S
May 6, 2022, 4:39:55 AM5/6/22
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Save me wading through search results.....
Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has risen
since 2020?
Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket at
work!
Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has risen
since 2020?
Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket at
work!
Andy Burns
May 6, 2022, 4:48:16 AM5/6/22
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R D S wrote:
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost treble what
> it was this time 2 years ago.
rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost treble what
> it was this time 2 years ago.
Jeff Gaines
May 6, 2022, 5:01:27 AM5/6/22
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it now holds £65 worth.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.
R D S
May 6, 2022, 5:07:00 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1...@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>
>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>
>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>> risen since 2020?
>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>
>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>> at work!
>
> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f fuel,
> it now holds £65 worth.
>
Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1...@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>
>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>
>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>> risen since 2020?
>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>
>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>> at work!
>
> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f fuel,
> it now holds £65 worth.
>
yesterday before the tank was full.
R D S
May 6, 2022, 5:20:59 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>
It would seem the comparison sites won't give you a quote until they've
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>
been invited to hassle you by phone.
Robin
May 6, 2022, 5:52:31 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
<https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
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Robin
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R D S
May 6, 2022, 5:57:51 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 10:50, Jethro_uk wrote:
>
> I have a never connected VOIP number for such people.
They're cleverer than that it would seem, the 2 I tried use the same
system (Bionic). A popup on the screen blocking the tariffs said they
were calling and the screen would clear once they had spoken to me.
I'd put a false phone number in and have since had an email saying they
couldn't get in touch and asking me to call them.
It's plainly a terrible time to lock into a contract for the next few
years but they don't care because they'll get paid if you switch.
I've been to a few suppliers directly and it seems there are no real
deals to be had so it's suck it up territory.
We've far too much lighting in this place anyway, i've been meaning to
tone it down for some time.
>
> I have a never connected VOIP number for such people.
They're cleverer than that it would seem, the 2 I tried use the same
system (Bionic). A popup on the screen blocking the tariffs said they
were calling and the screen would clear once they had spoken to me.
I'd put a false phone number in and have since had an email saying they
couldn't get in touch and asking me to call them.
It's plainly a terrible time to lock into a contract for the next few
years but they don't care because they'll get paid if you switch.
I've been to a few suppliers directly and it seems there are no real
deals to be had so it's suck it up territory.
We've far too much lighting in this place anyway, i've been meaning to
tone it down for some time.
R D S
May 6, 2022, 6:07:52 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 10:52, Robin wrote:
>
> Ofgem know. And they've more than trebled.
>
> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
>
Christ.
>
> Ofgem know. And they've more than trebled.
>
> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
>
R D S
May 6, 2022, 6:13:08 AM5/6/22
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"Firstly, last winter was particularly cold in Europe, which both drove
up demand and used up stored gas supplies."
Mmmh, we had a really busy March, should I have doubled our prices in April?
Robin
May 6, 2022, 6:46:05 AM5/6/22
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across your market, and that market has a similar demand curve as gas.
I'm reminded of Dirty Harry's question :)
Peter Able
May 6, 2022, 7:44:14 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 09:39, R D S wrote:
https://www.cliffordtalbot.co.uk/energy-prices/
"Show all" covers last seven years.
As for justifiable - my supplier is charging me about 50% more for my
electricity than the, currently quite stable, wholesale rate. Huh!
PA
Robin
May 6, 2022, 8:13:18 AM5/6/22
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obligations, other direct costs, your supplier's costs and profit
margin, plus VAT.
Pancho
May 6, 2022, 9:09:24 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 12:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>
> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
> Ukraine.
>
> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>
> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
>
It is supply and demand.
Suppliers, in particular Russia, wanted long term fixed price contracts.
When covid caused energy demand to collapse, customers were quick to
take advantage. So it is natural, suppliers wouldn't be feeling generous.
So, what exactly do you tax?
We can tax local production, but anything else, and long term, companies
will find a way around it, very likely to the UK's detriment.
The proper answer is to have supply security. But as you, and others,
have noted, energy policy has been cloud-cuckoo-land for decades. Now we
have cloud-cuckoo-land notion of doing without Russian resources.
More generally, globalisation has left us open to many supply
insecurities. After Ukraine, and the sanctions on Russia, countries
across the world will be looking for such security. Obviously
security/self-sufficiency is easier in a large stable, trustworthy,
community.
It really would have been better to let Russia do as they wished and
take the time to sort ourselves out.
> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>
> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
> Ukraine.
>
> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>
> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
>
It is supply and demand.
Suppliers, in particular Russia, wanted long term fixed price contracts.
When covid caused energy demand to collapse, customers were quick to
take advantage. So it is natural, suppliers wouldn't be feeling generous.
So, what exactly do you tax?
We can tax local production, but anything else, and long term, companies
will find a way around it, very likely to the UK's detriment.
The proper answer is to have supply security. But as you, and others,
have noted, energy policy has been cloud-cuckoo-land for decades. Now we
have cloud-cuckoo-land notion of doing without Russian resources.
More generally, globalisation has left us open to many supply
insecurities. After Ukraine, and the sanctions on Russia, countries
across the world will be looking for such security. Obviously
security/self-sufficiency is easier in a large stable, trustworthy,
community.
It really would have been better to let Russia do as they wished and
take the time to sort ourselves out.
Andrew
May 6, 2022, 10:37:17 AM5/6/22
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their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
the taxpayer is paying.
Andrew
May 6, 2022, 10:52:32 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 10:52, Robin wrote:
as of 28/3/2022 which is still less then the 30p/KwH that I am now
paying so it's not as though they are selling it to me for less than
they are paying.
Or have I got this wrong somewhere ?
Looks like Hinkley C might be a bargain at £92/MwH after all,
except that I found this -
https://www.lowcarboncontracts.uk/cfds/hinkley-point-c
where it states that the strike price is already up to £106.12/MwH
and the longer EDF can delay it, the more they can charge, or so
would seem.
Andrew
May 6, 2022, 10:56:12 AM5/6/22
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is simply added on to those costs to give the retail price/KwH.
The latter is not simply derived from a percentage markup on the
wholesale price.
Andrew
May 6, 2022, 10:59:55 AM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 15:52, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>
Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
French nukes are out of commission for various reasons. Weren't we
supplying them last summer through the interconnect ?.
> On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> to go hugely nuclear years ago.
>
Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
French nukes are out of commission for various reasons. Weren't we
supplying them last summer through the interconnect ?.
Robin
May 6, 2022, 12:11:20 PM5/6/22
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now than it used to be.
JNugent
May 6, 2022, 12:34:17 PM5/6/22
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Andy Burns
May 6, 2022, 2:04:58 PM5/6/22
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Tim Streater wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>
> I suspect a number of their plants are getting a bit elderly, like ours.
> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
but they backtracked on that.
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Though I read somewhere that nearly half the current 'fleet' of
>> French nukes are out of commission for various reasons.
>
> They'll have to start replacing them, just as we are.
A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
but they backtracked on that.
Jock
May 6, 2022, 2:48:55 PM5/6/22
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> but they backtracked on that.
mm0fmf
May 6, 2022, 3:03:12 PM5/6/22
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83L tank. Welcome to my world.
Martin Brown
May 6, 2022, 3:06:28 PM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
Best I have seen this week was 174.9p/L (highest 184.9).
Bad idea to buy fuel on a motorway!
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Andy Burns
May 6, 2022, 3:28:50 PM5/6/22
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Andy Burns
May 6, 2022, 3:31:41 PM5/6/22
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Andy Burns wrote:
> Jock wrote:
>
>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
>>
>> Bullshit they did.
<https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx>
"Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to reduce
nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025. This target was
delayed in 2019 to 2035."
>>> but they backtracked on that.
"In February 2022 France announced plans to build six new reactors and to
consider building a further eight"
> Jock wrote:
>
>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy supplies,
>>
>> Bullshit they did.
"Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to reduce
nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025. This target was
delayed in 2019 to 2035."
>>> but they backtracked on that.
consider building a further eight"
Jock
May 6, 2022, 3:56:21 PM5/6/22
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Jock
May 6, 2022, 3:58:57 PM5/6/22
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On Sat, 07 May 2022 05:31:36 +1000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Jock wrote:
>>
>>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>>> supplies,
>>>
>>> Bullshit they did.
>
> <https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx>
>
> "Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to
> reduce nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025.
That isnt denuclearising their energy supplies, just reducing
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Jock wrote:
>>
>>>> A couple of years back, they had decided to denuclearise their energy
>>>> supplies,
>>>
>>> Bullshit they did.
>
> <https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx>
>
> "Government policy, set under a former administration in 2014, aimed to
> reduce nuclear's share of electricity generation to 50% by 2025.
the nuclear component. And that stupidity has been binned.
> This target was delayed in 2019 to 2035."
>>>> but they backtracked on that.
>
> "In February 2022 France announced plans to build six new reactors and
> to consider building a further eight"
Peeler
May 6, 2022, 4:20:01 PM5/6/22
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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
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Jeff Gaines
May 6, 2022, 5:39:58 PM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
wrote:
>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)
wrote:
>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
640k ought to be enough for anyone.
(Bill Gates, 1981)
Peter Able
May 6, 2022, 6:52:28 PM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 13:13, Robin wrote:
The VAT element is trivial, although it must disappoint those retailers
who now have to nett pay VAT again. Too bad.
PA
Jock
May 6, 2022, 6:56:21 PM5/6/22
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On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:39:53 +1000, Jeff Gaines
<jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>> Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
By looking at how much empty space there is in it.
<jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>> Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
Jock
May 6, 2022, 6:59:37 PM5/6/22
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On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:10:38 +1000, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Mmm, I think Macron decided to do that a couple of years ago.
Nope, the previous administratiion did decide to add some other stuff.
Nothing even remotely like denuclearise.
> But not just
> yet.
Never decided to denuclarise in fact.
> Unlike the foolish Germans who have actually done some of it.
Nope, they were going to but never did and won't now.
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
Nope, the previous administratiion did decide to add some other stuff.
Nothing even remotely like denuclearise.
> But not just
> yet.
Never decided to denuclarise in fact.
> Unlike the foolish Germans who have actually done some of it.
Nope, they were going to but never did and won't now.
Jock
May 6, 2022, 7:02:01 PM5/6/22
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On Sat, 07 May 2022 07:09:03 +1000, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
Nope, the randy bugger has 20 kids with 3 wives.
JNugent
May 6, 2022, 7:09:16 PM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 06:19 pm, Tim Streater wrote:
> Well duh. Who d'ye think pays for their websites, their sales staff who you
> call to get a quote, their billing operation?
They do, of course.
And they have to do that even if they never sell a single Kwh of energy.
> call to get a quote, their billing operation?
They do, of course.
And they have to do that even if they never sell a single Kwh of energy.
williamwright
May 6, 2022, 8:51:45 PM5/6/22
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On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
Bill
Richard
May 7, 2022, 3:05:32 AM5/7/22
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On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
Richard
May 7, 2022, 3:16:28 AM5/7/22
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On 06/05/2022 11:12, R D S wrote:
> On 06/05/2022 11:07, R D S wrote:
>>
>
> You've to wonder why.....
>
> "Firstly, last winter was particularly cold in Europe, which both drove
> up demand and used up stored gas supplies."
>
> Mmmh, we had a really busy March, should I have doubled our prices in
> April?
If you have a monopoly, yes.
> On 06/05/2022 11:07, R D S wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 10:52, Robin wrote:
>>>
>>> Ofgem know. And they've more than trebled.
>>>
>>> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
>>>
>> Christ.
>>>
>>> Ofgem know. And they've more than trebled.
>>>
>>> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/energy-data-and-research/data-portal/wholesale-market-indicators>
>>>
>>
>
> You've to wonder why.....
>
> "Firstly, last winter was particularly cold in Europe, which both drove
> up demand and used up stored gas supplies."
>
> Mmmh, we had a really busy March, should I have doubled our prices in
> April?
If you have a monopoly, yes.
Andrew
May 7, 2022, 3:25:51 AM5/7/22
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with a single child passenger onboard.
Jeff Gaines
May 7, 2022, 3:40:54 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net> williamwright
wrote:
>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy rather
than anything rational.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks
wrote:
>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
than anything rational.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Andrew
May 7, 2022, 3:45:32 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 08:36, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car with a
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>
I have always maintained that VED should be based on a number of
factors.
Every vehicle should pay a standard amount for the privilege of
using the road system and then the vehicles age, size, fuel type,
the number of driven axles, location and (lack of) off-road
parking should impose additional loading factors on the basic VED.
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>
I have always maintained that VED should be based on a number of
factors.
Every vehicle should pay a standard amount for the privilege of
using the road system and then the vehicles age, size, fuel type,
the number of driven axles, location and (lack of) off-road
parking should impose additional loading factors on the basic VED.
Andrew
May 7, 2022, 3:53:59 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.
>
It's nothing to do with envy, it's the ever-increasing congestion
> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.
>
and poor air quality in many parts of the UK.
Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
And for those reliant on buses it means getting to/from work, school
or whatever are doubly impacted.
Tim Lamb
May 7, 2022, 4:45:25 AM5/7/22
to
In message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrights...@f2s.com> writes
Side impact safety is an excuse too far. Of course, borrowing from Jack
Reacher, he may have a need to carry 8'x4' sheets regularly:-)
--
Tim Lamb
<wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
Flaunting implied status to the detriment of other road users?
>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>
>If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
Side impact safety is an excuse too far. Of course, borrowing from Jack
Reacher, he may have a need to carry 8'x4' sheets regularly:-)
--
Tim Lamb
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 5:01:48 AM5/7/22
to
On Sat, 07 May 2022 08:59:28 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.d...@sqwertz.com>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.d...@sqwertz.com>
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 5:02:12 AM5/7/22
to
On Sat, 07 May 2022 08:56:13 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1...@dont-email.me>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
FredXX to Rodent Speed:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1...@dont-email.me>
R D S
May 7, 2022, 5:02:19 AM5/7/22
to
On 07/05/2022 08:36, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 07 May 2022 at 08:25:43 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> And the apparently rubbish MPG they get. At 70 on the motorway, my car with a
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>
Ive a 2l Volvo D4 diesel, it's fairly frugal, with some consideration I
> 1.8 engine gets 60mpg or better without any apparent problem. Perhaps those
> ULV owners bleating about putting £100 worth of fuel in could tell us what
> their mpg is and why it's so poor. They could also quote engine size unless
> that's an embarrassment.
>
can get 50+ on a motorway/backroad run. It just has a big tank?
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 5:02:33 AM5/7/22
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On Sat, 07 May 2022 09:01:53 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID: <ogoa38$pul$1...@news.mixmin.net>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed:
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--
"Shit you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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R D S
May 7, 2022, 5:31:48 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 09:43, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Flaunting implied status to the detriment of other road users?
>
I've always driven estates because I often find myself shifting stuff
> In message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
> <wrights...@f2s.com> writes
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Flaunting implied status to the detriment of other road users?
>
and we usually have a big dog.
We bought a Volvo V50 some years ago. They look bigger than they are and
I got fed up of smacking my head getting in and out of it and when using
the tailgate. Last year we bought a XC60, it looks like a lump but i'm
pretty sure I drive it in a way that it takes up less room than many do
in their super minis.
It's comfortable, fairly frugal and useful, it never occurred to me than
someone in a VW Up or similar might think I was merely dick swinging :)
Jeff Gaines
May 7, 2022, 6:02:48 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 in message <t558ij$uam$1...@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:
>Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
>Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's not
up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
now and make a new ending.
John Rumm
May 7, 2022, 6:47:27 AM5/7/22
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On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>> On 06/05/2022 10:06, R D S wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 10:01, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <t52msn$64r$1...@dont-email.me> R D S wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>>> at work!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Save me wading through search results.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has
>>>>> risen since 2020?
>>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket
>>>>> at work!
>>>>
>>>> Look on the bright side. When I bought my car it held £35 worth f
>>>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
>>> yesterday before the tank was full.
>>
>> When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
>> 83L tank. Welcome to my world.
>
>>>> fuel, it now holds £65 worth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't get me started on that, I hit the £99 max paying at the pump
>>> yesterday before the tank was full.
>>
>> When it went above £1.20/L I would hit the £99 limit filling my HiLux's
>> 83L tank. Welcome to my world.
>
> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
HiLux would suggest a commercial vehicle... The size required is
typically dictated by the job you do with it.
--
Cheers,
John.
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alan_m
May 7, 2022, 9:11:24 AM5/7/22
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On 07/05/2022 08:27, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk>
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.
>
White van man can achieve passing but those who drive a ULV of exactly
the same size seem to need the whole of a rural road just to able to
drive down.
--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> When it and another equally ULV can't pass each other on our local roads. And
>
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.
>
White van man can achieve passing but those who drive a ULV of exactly
the same size seem to need the whole of a rural road just to able to
drive down.
--
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R Souls
May 7, 2022, 12:14:23 PM5/7/22
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On 6 May 2022 14:52:40 GMT, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
wrote:
>On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>> the taxpayer is paying.
>
>As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>to go hugely nuclear years ago.
It's not all good news.
https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
wrote:
>On 06 May 2022 at 15:37:13 BST, Andrew <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 09:48, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> R D S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> rising gas prices + supplier bailout costs = rising electricity prices.
>>>
>>>> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost
>>>> treble what it was this time 2 years ago.
>>>
>>
>> Unless you are one of the 1.5 million bulb customers who are keeping
>> their previous deals now that bulb is in 'special administration' and
>> the taxpayer is paying.
>
>As I said before, The French are the ones laughing now, as they had the sense
>to go hugely nuclear years ago.
It's not all good news.
https://news.sky.com/story/nearly-half-of-frances-nuclear-reactors-taken-offline-adding-to-electricity-demand-on-european-grid-12600662
Andy Burns
May 7, 2022, 2:00:29 PM5/7/22
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Martin Brown wrote:
> I scout around carefully for the cheapest.
> Best I have seen this week was 174.9p/L (highest 184.9).
Just filled up with E0 (i.e tesco "E5") at 168 p/l
> I scout around carefully for the cheapest.
> Best I have seen this week was 174.9p/L (highest 184.9).
Just filled up with E0 (i.e tesco "E5") at 168 p/l
Jock
May 7, 2022, 2:04:02 PM5/7/22
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of car it is to the traffic chaos.
Jock
May 7, 2022, 2:05:30 PM5/7/22
to
On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:27:05 +1000, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines"
> <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> On 06 May 2022 at 22:39:53 BST, "Jeff Gaines"
> <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim Streater
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>
> When it and another equally ULV can't pass each other on our local
> roads. And
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.
That isn't true of the Chelsea Tractors with large fuel tanks.
> roads. And
> in many cases, a ULV and an ordinary car can't either.
Jock
May 7, 2022, 2:09:25 PM5/7/22
to
On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:53:54 +1000, Andrew
<Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>
>> williamwright wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>
>>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
>> rather than anything rational.
>>
>
> It's nothing to do with envy, it's the ever-increasing congestion
> and poor air quality in many parts of the UK.
>
> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
Bullshit they are at 3am.
<Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>
>> williamwright wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>
>>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
>> rather than anything rational.
>>
>
> It's nothing to do with envy, it's the ever-increasing congestion
> and poor air quality in many parts of the UK.
>
> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 2:36:31 PM5/7/22
to
On Sun, 08 May 2022 04:03:55 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total bollocks most of it."
MID: <pj2b07$1rvs$2...@gioia.aioe.org>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rodent Speed:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total bollocks most of it."
MID: <pj2b07$1rvs$2...@gioia.aioe.org>
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 2:37:00 PM5/7/22
to
On Sun, 08 May 2022 04:05:22 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"Wodney is doing a lot of morphing these days. Must be even more desperate
than usual for attention."
MID: <59a60da...@davenoise.co.uk>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
David Plowman about senile Rodent Speed's trolling:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
"Wodney is doing a lot of morphing these days. Must be even more desperate
than usual for attention."
MID: <59a60da...@davenoise.co.uk>
Peeler
May 7, 2022, 2:37:21 PM5/7/22
to
On Sun, 08 May 2022 04:09:17 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID: <g4t0jt...@mid.individual.net>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
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Jock
May 7, 2022, 2:43:01 PM5/7/22
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Peeler
May 7, 2022, 4:04:55 PM5/7/22
to
On Sun, 08 May 2022 04:42:54 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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Richard
May 8, 2022, 4:16:40 AM5/8/22
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On 07/05/2022 19:03, Jock wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:25:43 +1000, Andrew
> <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>>
>>
>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>
> Few have just the one brat
Rod, your mother had one brat too many.
> On Sat, 07 May 2022 17:25:43 +1000, Andrew
> <Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/05/2022 08:05, Richard wrote:
>>> On 06/05/2022 22:39, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>> On 06/05/2022 in message <jdlh3f...@mid.individual.net> Tim
>>>> Streater wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>>>> Vehicle)?
>>>>
>>>> How can you judge if somebody's vehicle is unnecessarily large?
>>> By the fact that they complain about the cost of putting fuel in.
>>>
>>
>> And the road chaos around most schools when they all turn up
>> with a single child passenger onboard.
>
> Few have just the one brat
Richard
May 8, 2022, 4:18:30 AM5/8/22
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£99 barrier.
Richard
May 8, 2022, 4:25:02 AM5/8/22
to
On 07/05/2022 08:40, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 07/05/2022 in message <jdlu4s...@mid.individual.net>
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.
Not envy, really. He can own whatever he likes, but why whine about the
> williamwright wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2022 22:09, Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Ah, are you the owner of one of these ULVs (Unnecessarily Large
>>> Vehicle)?
>>
>> If he likes a big vehicle why shouldn't he have one? It's his business.
>
> Absolutely, the replies I got to a similar suggestion suggest envy
> rather than anything rational.
"trauma" caused by hitting a £99 limit?
Perhaps it is the need to boast about possessions?
That trait is probably much worse than envy, as it is very hypocritical.
Jeff Gaines
May 8, 2022, 5:42:03 AM5/8/22
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been a tendency on social media (and Usenet is perhaps the oldest example)
of expressions like:
you did do [some task] didn't you.
why would you want to do that.
I wouldn't do that.
Why don't you [alternative suggestion]
As in:
Q) Can you tell me the best route from Southampton to Portsmouth?
A) Portsmouth isn't very nice why don't you go to Camber Sands?
Most of which imply the person posting the query hasn't the nous to think
things through instead of accepting that said person has done so but hit a
block in his/her knowledge.
--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Richard
May 8, 2022, 7:30:03 AM5/8/22
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I'd prefer Portsmouth.
;)
Paul
May 8, 2022, 10:41:44 AM5/8/22
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you can get high up-times.
However, nuclear reactors are like buying a car at the dealership.
You can do all your homework, and still get a "lemon".
The service record of reactors here, some are "50% available" (lemon),
some of the continuous fueling ones might be "85% available" (still
need a rebuild, once in a while, to repair pipes or whatever).
The thing is, don't build all the nukes on the same day,
because the failures or service life might correlate, causing
a "lump" in the maintenance. By selecting to build nukes in "waves",
using different types for the "waves", you might prevent the
entire fleet from averaging 50%.
The reactors look much more attractive, if the fueling system
can run while the thing is generating power.
Nukes are not a spur of the moment hobby. They require
a continuous commitment to build and repair, and forethought
to give them the best "maintenance look". And unfortunately,
the humans who run them, don't have exactly the longest
attention spans :-)
Paul
R Souls
May 8, 2022, 11:06:07 AM5/8/22
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Jock
May 8, 2022, 3:13:02 PM5/8/22
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Rod Speed
May 8, 2022, 3:17:10 PM5/8/22
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Some entirely appropriately named arsehole
R Souls <ron....@aol.com> spewed more of the
shit that keeps pouring from its countless arseholes.
R Souls <ron....@aol.com> spewed more of the
shit that keeps pouring from its countless arseholes.
Peeler
May 8, 2022, 3:50:59 PM5/8/22
to
On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:17:02 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed:
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743...@news.individual.net>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743...@news.individual.net>
Peeler
May 8, 2022, 3:51:30 PM5/8/22
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On Mon, 09 May 2022 05:12:54 +1000, Jock, better known as cantankerous
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little shit."
MID: <pjqpo3$1la0$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Bill Wright to Rodent Speed:
--
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little shit."
MID: <pjqpo3$1la0$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
Vir Campestris
May 8, 2022, 4:36:06 PM5/8/22
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On 06/05/2022 12:38, Chris Hogg wrote:
> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>
> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
> Ukraine.
>
> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>
> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
I forget which, but one of them just took a massive loss on dumping
their connections in ROSNEF.
And they are both in my pension fund. Unless you work for the state they
are likely in yours too. A windfall tax would affect millions of pension
plan owners - not just pensioners - in the UK and elsewhere.
Andy
> Seeing the massive profits announced recently by the likes of Shell
> and BP, the whole business makes me angry.
>
> They hide behind the explanation that it's market prices across the
> world, brought on by the Covid pandemic and Russia's invasion of
> Ukraine.
>
> But their supply costs haven't gone up much - a few percent maybe -
> and they're just taking advantage of the global energy prices to cash
> in. It costs little more to extract gas or oil from under the North
> Sea today for example, compared to three or four years ago, especially
> as all the exploration work, drilling, pipeline-laying etc, was
> finished decades ago. All they have to do is man the platforms and
> open and close valves, as appropriate.
>
> I do hope the government slaps a whacking great windfall tax on them,
> which, bearing in mind I've never had socialist tendencies in my life,
> shows just how annoyed it makes me!
I forget which, but one of them just took a massive loss on dumping
their connections in ROSNEF.
And they are both in my pension fund. Unless you work for the state they
are likely in yours too. A windfall tax would affect millions of pension
plan owners - not just pensioners - in the UK and elsewhere.
Andy
R Souls
May 9, 2022, 4:41:38 AM5/9/22
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On 8 May 2022 15:01:23 GMT, Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net>
wrote:
>This is true for any utility structure, I'd have thought. The water system has
>a lot of leaks as little thought was given to maintenance while it was in
>"public" ownership.
An excerpt from the link:
Why reactors have been shut down
Of particular concern are five reactors that were shut down after
cracking caused by corrosion was identified in pipework last year,
with tests under way to determine how serious the problem is.
Advertisement
EDF suspects corrosion at least six more plants, and will shut down
three especially for testing, and test at least another three in
routine maintenance periods.
The firm, which supplies all of France's atomic energy, confirmed it
was importing power from the European grid "to compensate the lack of
production of our nuclear plants".
Not very good, eh?
wrote:
>a lot of leaks as little thought was given to maintenance while it was in
>"public" ownership.
An excerpt from the link:
Why reactors have been shut down
Of particular concern are five reactors that were shut down after
cracking caused by corrosion was identified in pipework last year,
with tests under way to determine how serious the problem is.
Advertisement
EDF suspects corrosion at least six more plants, and will shut down
three especially for testing, and test at least another three in
routine maintenance periods.
The firm, which supplies all of France's atomic energy, confirmed it
was importing power from the European grid "to compensate the lack of
production of our nuclear plants".
Not very good, eh?
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
May 9, 2022, 10:22:24 AM5/9/22
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Yes I agree. It has always been thus. The industry, whatever it may be will
blame profiteering on some external agency, to allow them to carry on
business as usual.
I'm also intrigued by how it is that some telecom companies manage to keep
their roaming charges static, and others just put them up and surely its
well time that data over the mobile network is almost free these days. There
should be competition, but there is obviously a cartel operating and surely
this is illegal.
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blame profiteering on some external agency, to allow them to carry on
business as usual.
I'm also intrigued by how it is that some telecom companies manage to keep
their roaming charges static, and others just put them up and surely its
well time that data over the mobile network is almost free these days. There
should be competition, but there is obviously a cartel operating and surely
this is illegal.
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Andrew
May 9, 2022, 12:32:43 PM5/9/22
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On 07/05/2022 11:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's
> not up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>
Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
(apart from the army) ?.
and please don't tell me that there are 'green lanes' because those
were only ever intended for pony and traps, not imbeciles in 4x4's.
With 30+ million cars on the road and concentrated in only a
few counties and cities, those who have to live there do have a
right to decide what sort of vehicles are used and parked on
the roads.
> On 07/05/2022 in message <t558ij$uam$1...@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
>
> Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
>
>> Someone living in rural Wales or Scotland and chugging around in
>> a massive diesel 4x4+cab has no concept of what life is like in the
>> South East, the Midlands, Bristol etc where there is no longer
>> a 'rush hour' because the roads are so busy 24/7.
>
> Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's
> not up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>
Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
(apart from the army) ?.
and please don't tell me that there are 'green lanes' because those
were only ever intended for pony and traps, not imbeciles in 4x4's.
With 30+ million cars on the road and concentrated in only a
few counties and cities, those who have to live there do have a
right to decide what sort of vehicles are used and parked on
the roads.
Andrew
May 9, 2022, 12:34:59 PM5/9/22
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Jeff Gaines
May 9, 2022, 12:41:59 PM5/9/22
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On 09/05/2022 in message <t5bfn7$tle$1...@gioia.aioe.org> Andrew wrote:
>On 07/05/2022 11:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
>>Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's not
>>up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>>
>
>Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
>If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
>(apart from the army) ?.
Vast chunks of Salisbury Plain are open to the public for recreational
>On 07/05/2022 11:02, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>Anybody living in a rural area may well need a 4 x 4, try getting across
>>Salisbury Plain in a 2 WD. People buy what is suitable for them, it's not
>>up to generation Z or a bunch of snowflakes to tell them what to drive.
>>
>
>Are there no paved roads on Salisbury Plain ?.
>If not, why would anyone feel it necessary to drive across it,
>(apart from the army) ?.
purposes,you do need a suitable vehicle to reach some of them though.
>and please don't tell me that there are 'green lanes' because those
>were only ever intended for pony and traps, not imbeciles in 4x4's.
>With 30+ million cars on the road and concentrated in only a
>few counties and cities, those who have to live there do have a
>right to decide what sort of vehicles are used and parked on
>the roads.
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R D S
May 10, 2022, 7:50:08 AM5/10/22
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On 08/05/2022 09:18, Richard wrote:
> If you filled up when it hits a quarter of a tank you wouldn't hit the
> £99 barrier.
Ha, ever the optimist I let it run lower than usual hoping the price
> If you filled up when it hits a quarter of a tank you wouldn't hit the
> £99 barrier.
would drop!
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
May 26, 2022, 4:14:13 AM5/26/22
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Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if they
buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
themselves short.
So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
Brian
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> Save me wading through search results.....
>
> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has risen
> since 2020?
> work!
buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
themselves short.
So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
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> Save me wading through search results.....
>
> Is anyone aware of how much the wholesale price of electricity has risen
> since 2020?
> Is there any justifiable reason that my unit price should be almost treble
> what it was this time 2 years ago.
>
> If this shit keeps up i'm going to be about 3k per year out of pocket at
> what it was this time 2 years ago.
>
> work!
RJH
May 26, 2022, 5:00:21 AM5/26/22
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I can't help thinking that fewer companies would just create an oligopoly,
with price fixing between them.
But as it is the energy 'production' companies seem to enjoy legitimate price
fixing - beyond anything a cartel could ever dream of.
One effect has been some radical changes in how we use energy, with
(anecdotally) those that can looking hard at ways to cut down. We'll always be
reliant on energy, but at this rate how much and from which source will
(hopefully) become permanently rejigged.
Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
On 26 May 2022 at 09:14:05 BST, ""Brian Gaff \" <Sofa\)"
with price fixing between them.
But as it is the energy 'production' companies seem to enjoy legitimate price
fixing - beyond anything a cartel could ever dream of.
One effect has been some radical changes in how we use energy, with
(anecdotally) those that can looking hard at ways to cut down. We'll always be
reliant on energy, but at this rate how much and from which source will
(hopefully) become permanently rejigged.
Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
On 26 May 2022 at 09:14:05 BST, ""Brian Gaff \" <Sofa\)"
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if they
> buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
> means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
> current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
> supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
> of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
> countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
> for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
> themselves short.
> So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
> their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
> though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
> had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
> Brian
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> Well, there are two prices, the price now and what they get charged if they
> buy ahead, which in effects builds in the uncertainties. This in effect
> means that you will always pay moor, and so do the suppliers, than the
> current spot price for energy, in order for them to budget and to guarantee
> supply in the long term. However there is also another problem. We got rid
> of a lot of our gas storage facilities, and now we are reliant on other
> countries selling the gas to us from their stores, and of course charging
> for storage, and they need to know ahead of time too, so they don't leave
> themselves short.
> So its not as simple as looking at the spot price, everyone is hedging
> their bets by trying to get security against price. I cannot help thinking
> though, that if there were fewer companies in the supply chain and we still
> had storage a lot of this merry go round could have been ironed out.
> Brian
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alan_m
May 26, 2022, 5:43:48 AM5/26/22
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On 26/05/2022 10:00, RJH wrote:
> Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
And Nationalisation was more efficient and had cheaper prices in the past?
> Another is renewed calls for nationalisation. Bring it on.
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It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
let them run down and need investment that only private companies were
willing to provided but of course they wanted a return for that. It was a
good idea selling shares to the masses, but really we are all to blame as if
we had hung onto our shares and used our holding to control the excesses of
the companies and who bought who, we could hav had them tamed, instead we
sold the shares to make a quick profit, not really caring who bought them
with the result we now have.
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willing to provided but of course they wanted a return for that. It was a
good idea selling shares to the masses, but really we are all to blame as if
we had hung onto our shares and used our holding to control the excesses of
the companies and who bought who, we could hav had them tamed, instead we
sold the shares to make a quick profit, not really caring who bought them
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It is of course true that they can buy more in quantity, and hence get one
hopes more acceptable prices, but I do recall that there were problems with
costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
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costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
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In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
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> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
> let them run down
The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
> let them run down
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May 29, 2022, 9:01:19 AM5/29/22
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In article <59f02501...@candehope.me.uk>,
treasury with shareholders.
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> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> > that let them run down
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
That also is the history of much of UK industry, now gone. If you replace
> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> > that let them run down
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
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Robin
May 29, 2022, 9:09:27 AM5/29/22
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On 29/05/2022 11:54, charles wrote:
> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>> let them run down
>
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
That is of course a contestable - and contested - analysis.
> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>> let them run down
>
> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
And for 25 years now the EU has been busily breaking up national
monopolies, requiring access for new providers and generally
liberalising the energy market. If you think that's wrong you should
applaud Brexit an essential first step on the way back to an integrated,
nationalised industry.
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alan_m
May 29, 2022, 4:04:12 PM5/29/22
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On 29/05/2022 09:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
> It is of course true that they can buy more in quantity, and hence get one
> hopes more acceptable prices, but I do recall that there were problems with
> costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
> Brian
>
The lack of investment was one of the main problems that comes back to
> It is of course true that they can buy more in quantity, and hence get one
> hopes more acceptable prices, but I do recall that there were problems with
> costs back then and lack of investment in the infrastructure.
> Brian
>
bite years later in consumer prices when catch-up has to take place.
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
May 30, 2022, 2:34:02 AM5/30/22
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I thought that was what I just said?
The Government and nationalised industries are not compatible, since its
like having a building and never doing any repairs and then wondering why it
falls down.
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The Government and nationalised industries are not compatible, since its
like having a building and never doing any repairs and then wondering why it
falls down.
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May 30, 2022, 4:19:10 AM5/30/22
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On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> first place.
>
But also little incentive to do a shit job to shave pennies off the cost.
From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
good.
The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.
The problem with the other nationalised industries - railways and coal -
was the massively conservative Unions who would not change and adapt to
modern conditions. And as with all the other major public sector
organisations - education, NHS, media etc - they were prime targets for
communist infiltrators. And privatisation was a way to get rid of that.
Nationalisation is sometimes the least worst of a slew of bad options.
But look at the trains now - as we contemplate privatisation what
happens - national strike.
£60k a year sitting on your bottom driving a train looks a pretty decent
wage to me.
Especially with a decent pension and early retirement.
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> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> first place.
>
But also little incentive to do a shit job to shave pennies off the cost.
From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
good.
The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.
The problem with the other nationalised industries - railways and coal -
was the massively conservative Unions who would not change and adapt to
modern conditions. And as with all the other major public sector
organisations - education, NHS, media etc - they were prime targets for
communist infiltrators. And privatisation was a way to get rid of that.
Nationalisation is sometimes the least worst of a slew of bad options.
But look at the trains now - as we contemplate privatisation what
happens - national strike.
£60k a year sitting on your bottom driving a train looks a pretty decent
wage to me.
Especially with a decent pension and early retirement.
.
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alan_m
May 30, 2022, 4:22:09 AM5/30/22
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On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries that
>>> let them run down
>>
>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any 'profit'
>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>
> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> first place.
>
Or provide any customer service.
> first place.
>
The Natural Philosopher
May 30, 2022, 4:30:26 AM5/30/22
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BT ISP? forget customer service.
Any bank? Give us yer money and fuck off.
NHS ?go home and have your heart attack there. we aren't interested.
When your energy business is only concerned with the appearance of
'saving the planet' who gives a fuck about the customer?
--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”
― Jean Claud Jüncker
charles
May 30, 2022, 4:38:11 AM5/30/22
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In article <jfjd5c...@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
no - that comes with privatisation. Frm our callc entres overseas, is one
example.
example.
charles
May 30, 2022, 4:38:11 AM5/30/22
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In article <t71ulq$ajv$1...@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
It's not the drivers who are voting to strike.
The Natural Philosopher
May 30, 2022, 4:55:58 AM5/30/22
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--
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.
Andrew
May 30, 2022, 5:52:32 AM5/30/22
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On 30/05/2022 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
>>>> that
>>>> let them run down
>>>
>>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
>>> 'profit'
>>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>>
>> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
>> first place.
>>
> On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
>>> Brian Gaff <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
>>>> that
>>>> let them run down
>>>
>>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
>>> 'profit'
>>> the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
>>
>> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
>> first place.
>>
> From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty damned
> good.
>
> The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.
Very expensive phones and a long wait to get a line installed (which
> good.
>
> The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and electricity.
is why party lines were so common) - if at all ("We have no pairs").
Even when it became BT they had their own rules. BS5839 wasn't good
enough for the GPO/BT, they had their own standard on top of that
for manned exchange buildings.
Andrew
May 30, 2022, 5:56:23 AM5/30/22
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On 30/05/2022 09:22, alan_m wrote:
street where you could pay your bills and buy new stuff, and make
a complaint if you had too (which was pointless).
charles
May 30, 2022, 6:10:12 AM5/30/22
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In article <t7244q$2jo$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Andrew
> Even when it became BT they had their own rules. BS5839 wasn't good
> enough for the GPO/BT, they had their own standard on top of that for
> manned exchange buildings.
how sensible
<Andrew9...@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
> On 30/05/2022 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Brian Gaff
> >>> <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> >>>> that let them run down
> >>>
> >>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> >>> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
> >>
> >> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> >> first place.
> >>
> > From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty
> > damned good.
> >
> > The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and
> > electricity.
> Very expensive phones and a long wait to get a line installed (which is
> why party lines were so common) - if at all ("We have no pairs").
lack of capital investment - HM Treasury interfeence.
> On 30/05/2022 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 30/05/2022 07:58, Chris Hogg wrote:
> >> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:54:23 +0100, charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <t6vbo5$1pdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Brian Gaff
> >>> <bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> It was unfortunately inept management of the nationalised industries
> >>>> that let them run down
> >>>
> >>> The lack of investment was due to the Government (the owner). Any
> >>> 'profit' the industry made was swallowed up by the Treasury.
> >>
> >> Which meant that there was little incentive to make a profit in the
> >> first place.
> >>
> > From an engineering perspective the GPO and the CEGB were pretty
> > damned good.
> >
> > The kit did the job the customers wanted. Reliable phones and
> > electricity.
> Very expensive phones and a long wait to get a line installed (which is
> why party lines were so common) - if at all ("We have no pairs").
> Even when it became BT they had their own rules. BS5839 wasn't good
> enough for the GPO/BT, they had their own standard on top of that for
> manned exchange buildings.
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