yale lock problem
Jim E
and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in.
Does this mean I cut the lever too small?
It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It
doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove.
Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto
the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I
buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock?
Cheers for any help!
Its the 60mm one 4th down on this page
http://www.diytools.co.uk/diy/Main/sc-1-1-yale-security-products.asp?iBrandID=72
nightjar
"Jim E" <avma...@BBBBBbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock detaches
> and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in.
>
> Does this mean I cut the lever too small?
>
> It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It
> doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the groove.
It sounds as though you have cut the operating bar too short. It does just
slide into the slot, but it should also be able to go a fair way inside the
lock. The easiest way to judge how much to cut off is to put the cylinder on
the door, slide the lock over the bar until it stops, then measure the gap
between the lock and the door. Cut that much, plus about a millimetre, off
the end of the operating bar.
> Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes onto
> the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become distorted. Can I
> buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock?
A proper locksmith may be able to sell you one.
Colin Bignell
newshound
"nightjar.me.uk>" <cpb@<insert my surname here> wrote in message
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For at least some of these, the operating bar as described by Colin will
unclip from the lock (the key-side) if you wiggle it correctly. So you might
get away with changing the bar, not the whole lock. If it's just a standard
Yale-type lock with a night-latch on the inside each "side" costs about a
fiver from Screwfix or a decent hardware shop.
Dave Osborne
What Colin says. On your lock the connecting bar can be really long
without any problem, because any excess disappears into the handle.
Even a genuine Yale 1109 cylinder does not have a replacement mounting
plate these days.
Just Ebay search for "rim cylinder" and pick one that has the mounting
plate included. There are currently some ERA ones for 3.99. You can
either change the cylinder or just use the plate.
The Medway Handyman
> If I shut my front door a bit too hard the lever inside the lock
> detaches and the locks `spins` and i have to break the lock to get in.
>
> Does this mean I cut the lever too small?
Sounds like it to me. It wants to be a long as possible.
>
> It does just `sit` in place doesnt it? Or am I putting it in wrong. It
> doesnt seem to click into place or anything it just sits in the
> groove.
It just sits in place - as long as its long enough.
> Because this has happened a few times the metal frame part that goes
> onto the inside of the door with the 2 screw holes has become
> distorted. Can I buy one of these new or do I need a whole new lock?
Not sure what you mean, but if its the flat metal pressing that the screws
securing the front go through, then I'd just change the whole bloody thing.
Don't buy a cheap one, spend the �30 + on a proper Yale or ERA. The local
Uni where I do the maintenance on the student halls has three accommodation
blocks (8 locks per block) with el cheapo (�7 each) rim locks - the 'yoke'
inside distorts with repeated use/slamming resulting in the door not
latching properly. I change about three a month. The other three blocks
(also 8 locks per block) have genuine Yales & I've never changed one.
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Jim E
"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks for the help guys. The plate I need is the one on the back of the
door which the actual latch attaches to. It has 2 lugs for the screws. It
has nothing to do with the barrel so a new barrel is no use except it will
give me the longer lock lever.
The part I need is for the actual housing of the lock on the inside.
Anyone know what this is called?
Jim E
"Jim E" <avma...@BBBBBbtinternet.com> wrote in message
Yale are sending me one free.
Superb service!
Scabbydug
"Jim E" <avma...@BBBBBbtinternet.com> wrote in message
A locksmith will have any amount of these bits lying around, I would be
happy to help you out for free if asked.
Appin
from "The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> contains
these words:
> Don't buy a cheap one, spend the �30 + on a proper Yale or ERA.
Sadly, there are a lot of night latches sold under the Yale brand name
which are absolute rubbish. I have a couple here which have been
subjected only to minor domestic use and on which the thumb-slide has
failed -- and been replaced by a bolt, couple of nuts and a couple of
washers.
NO LOCK CAN STOP ME
Best thing you can do my friend is put a metal blank where your Yale is and fit 2 x Mortice type locks on your door One 3 feet from the top and one 3 feet from the bottom of the door that way you will never lock yourself out and also secure your house much much more, Good day my friend and Bless you, Del, Retired Locksmith
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Animal
> The biggest fallacy in Lock making is thee so called 'YALE CYLINDER LOCK'
> You have certainly cut the stock to short during installation ...’But hey’ do not be to hard on yourself...... This lock is probably thee worse lock ever designed…. Because fundamentally it is not 'fail- safe'. literally millions of people have locked themselves out of there premises for the very reason it is unpracticable with human Nature... 'IT LOCKS YOU OUT…..' ‘Unless you remember the key and thus the story ends…’
> P.S. THERE IS A WAY TO PREVENT THIS HAPPENING....Change the 'Throw that's thee Brass quarter round bit which helps you lock yourself out' to a rectangular Throw, Some Lock smiths will do this for you Others in order to sell you a new one,' Will not' its quite amassing how this lock has been constantly reproduced throughout history from Etas, Swan, and even the Winfield, ‘The Woolworth's version’.…
>
> Best thing you can do my friend is put a metal blank where your Yale is and fit 2 x Mortice type locks on your door One 3 feet from the top and one 3 feet from the bottom of the door
> that way you will never lock yourself out
> and also secure your house much much more,
> Good day my friend and Bless you, Del, Retired Locksmith
alan_m
will not lock their doors when just popping out, especially if not
carrying a key on them (which includes all the people previously which
would have been locked out for not carrying a key)
What's wrong with keeping the key under the nearest flower pot? :)
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Jeff Layman
> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 23:15:07 UTC+1, NO LOCK CAN STOP ME wrote:
replying to a post in HOH made almost 13 years ago on 25 Jun 2009?
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Jeff
Martin Brown
>
>> The biggest fallacy in Lock making is thee so called 'YALE CYLINDER LOCK'
>
> 'YALE CYLINDER LOCK' is not a statement so can not be a fallacy
>
>> You have certainly cut the stock to short during installation ...’But hey’ do not be to hard on yourself...... This lock is probably thee worse lock ever designed…. Because fundamentally it is not 'fail- safe'. literally millions of people have locked themselves out of there premises for the very reason it is unpracticable with human Nature... 'IT LOCKS YOU OUT…..' ‘Unless you remember the key and thus the story ends…’
>
> People have practices to work round that, some reasonable, some not.
they are explicitly locked or deadlocked from the outside when you leave
the house. Then you have to remember to lock up.
Not all Yale cylinder locks are as primitive as Retired Locksmith thinks.
>> P.S. THERE IS A WAY TO PREVENT THIS HAPPENING....Change the 'Throw that's thee Brass quarter round bit which helps you lock yourself out' to a rectangular Throw, Some Lock smiths will do this for you Others in order to sell you a new one,' Will not' its quite amassing how this lock has been constantly reproduced throughout history from Etas, Swan, and even the Winfield, ‘The Woolworth's version’.…
>>
>> Best thing you can do my friend is put a metal blank where your Yale is and fit 2 x Mortice type locks on your door One 3 feet from the top and one 3 feet from the bottom of the door
>
> so on top of each other on a 6' door? Why would you put 2 close together anyway?
>> that way you will never lock yourself out
>
> Ah, finally a solution for losing your key? Or not.
>
>> and also secure your house much much more,
>
> It depends, I'd rather rely on a 5/6 pin yale than a 2 pin rimlock.
You can only slow them down by having more tumblers and a more precise
mechanical mechanism with less play in it.
Letting people who lock themselves out back into their homes is good
money for skilled locksmiths so I don't know why he is against them!
(the incompetents drill their way in which isn't at all skilful)
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Thomas Prufer
>What's wrong with keeping the key under the nearest flower pot? :)
Thomas Prufer
Bob Eager
> And with you method human nature says that 10s of millions of people
> will not lock their doors when just popping out, especially if not
> carrying a key on them (which includes all the people previously which
> would have been locked out for not carrying a key)
>
>
> What's wrong with keeping the key under the nearest flower pot?
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alan_m
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 04:37:53 +0100, alan_m wrote:
>
>> And with you method human nature says that 10s of millions of people
>> will not lock their doors when just popping out, especially if not
>> carrying a key on them (which includes all the people previously which
>> would have been locked out for not carrying a key)
>>
>>
>> What's wrong with keeping the key under the nearest flower pot?
>
> I can do an emergency release from my phone. With 2FA, of course.
>
>
>
Rod Speed
> Letting people who lock themselves out back into their homes is good
> money for skilled locksmiths so I don't know why he is against them!
> (the incompetents drill their way in which isn't at all skilful)
alan_m
> You can also get a clue and use unhackable electronic lock instead.
the lock itself has two wires to which power has to be applied and/or a
simple on/off switch/soleniod controlled by the electronics. You don't
even try and hack the electronics - you target the simple opening mechanism.
Peeler
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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Rod Speed
>> You can also get a clue and use unhackable electronic lock instead.
> Often flawed in design.
> Although the electronics may be sophisticated the lock itself has two
> wires to which power has to be applied and/or a simple on/off
> switch/soleniod controlled by the electronics. You don't even try and
> hack the electronics - you target the simple opening mechanism.
Bob Eager
opened the door when we were on holiday as son had locked himself out and
forgotten his phone - he used neighbour's phone to call)
Peeler
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/
NO LOCK CAN STOP ME
Animal
alan_m
over the years the security of the locks fitted to front doors hasn't
improved but the tools and instructions for opening have.
Lock picking with a toothbrush :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEdJH2tBDfo
Steve Walker
cybersecurity and forensics and for some reason, both as part of the
course and as part of his membership of the Hacking Society, they've
been doing lock picking.
The Natural Philosopher
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returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
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alan_m
> On 12/05/2022 22:23, alan_m wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 22:03, Animal wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 12 May 2022 at 08:04:45 UTC+1, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2022 01:41, Animal wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 11 May 2022 at 23:15:07 UTC+1, NO LOCK CAN STOP ME
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> Why are you wasting your time replying to a post which itself is
>>>> replying to a post in HOH made almost 13 years ago on 25 Jun 2009?
>>>
>>> The thread responses answer that. Lock security is as relevant today
>>> as it was in 09
>>
>> The many Youtube videos by the LockPickingLawyer ,and similar, seem
>> that over the years the security of the locks fitted to front doors
>> hasn't improved but the tools and instructions for opening have.
>>
>> Lock picking with a toothbrush :)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEdJH2tBDfo
>>
> No sign of a Chubb type of lock being picked though is there?
>
>
The Natural Philosopher
https://www.lockmonster.co.uk/item/chubb-mortice-sashlock-insurance-approved-bs3621-3k74e
for example.
We did mange from *inside* to crack one of these - with a reciprocating
hacksaw. Cut off the lock tongue which isn't easy.
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