Gripfill? No More nails etc.?
Rick Hughes
the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
I am looking for 3 at present. The first a construction type, I have
to fix some short lengths of guttering onto roof tiles, so need a long
lasting waterproof & UV stable product.
The second use is for fixing of hardwood skirting.
Any recommendations, any to avoid?
Rick
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Roderick Orr-Ewing
<rhu...@newbridge.com> writes
I rang Gripfill's technical department about 6 months ago and asked them
to advise on outdoor use. They recommended that the join line be sealed
to prevent water getting at the adhesive. Apart from being tedious this
may not be practicable for what you want.
I hope others can be more positive.
Cheers, Roderick
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Roderick Orr-Ewing
London
Ledswinger
Rick Hughes <rhu...@newbridge.com> wrote in message
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> Be interested in anybody out there has seen any tests or reports as to
> the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
>
> I am looking for 3 at present. The first a construction type, I have
> to fix some short lengths of guttering onto roof tiles, so need a long
> lasting waterproof & UV stable product.
>
I presume that this is down the roof rather than across? Good quality
silicone sealant could be a suitable answer on this - durable, water proof,
and better adhesive powers than you might expect. It isn't always a
suitable alternative to conventional glues, but for the use I'm assuming it
should work a treat.
> The second use is for fixing of hardwood skirting.
>
"No More Nails" works very well IME of this application, as did the Wickes
"Not Many More Nails" (or whatever its own brand is called)
Led
Simon Canfer
Roderick Orr-Ewing <rode...@orr-ewing.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
> >
> >I am looking for 3 at present. The first a construction type, I have
> >to fix some short lengths of guttering onto roof tiles, so need a long
> >lasting waterproof & UV stable product.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Rick
> >--
>
> I rang Gripfill's technical department about 6 months ago and asked them
> to advise on outdoor use. They recommended that the join line be sealed
> to prevent water getting at the adhesive. Apart from being tedious this
> may not be practicable for what you want.
>
> I hope others can be more positive.
>
> Cheers, Roderick
>
> --
> Roderick Orr-Ewing
>
> London
Reminds me of what I read on Wickes' solvent free no-nails adhesive;
This product dries by losing water.
Well I suppose it would. I therefore doubt the water-based/"solvent -free"
types would be any use outside. I'll have to test that hypothesis out I
think.
Simon
john_h_schmitt
> Be interested in anybody out there has seen any tests or reports
> as to
> the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
The adhesives industry is rather incestuous, in that they contract
manufacture for anyone. (See Clive's post) If there are any results,
you will probably find products A, F, N, and Y all perform identically.
While the water-based adhesives do not dry out so fast, this is
precisely *because* they are water-based. Water has a very large
enthalpy of vaporisation compared to organic solvents. (Hey! there's a
marketing scoop - call the adhesive *organic*.) This means that much
more energy (and therefore time) is needed for the adhesive to form a
good bond.
Note that in the PVA thread I have put my comments about water-based
polymers.
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Rick Hughes
would be waterproof.
The reason I need it is that I have a raised hip roof, the gutter runs
along the front, then a 90 degree return and a short length of guttering
so that the water runs across the front and is discharged onto the sides
(main roof)
Just need to glue the short length of guttering to stop the wind taking
it away.
Rick
"Clive E." wrote:
>
> Simon Canfer <s...@rl.nospam> wrote in message
> news:86h9ev$i...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...
> > Reminds me of what I read on Wickes' solvent free no-nails adhesive;
> >
> > This product dries by losing water.
>
> I used this Wickes no-solvent stuff about six months ago and, unless the
> formula has changed, I will never use it again. Absolutely useless. I
> complained to Wickes about it who put me in touch with Evode, the
> manufacturers. They didn't admit to having any other complaints but wanted
> me to send a sample of it complete with sample materials being bonded.
> Since I was trying to bond timber to plaster and timber to concrete,
> getting samples would have been difficult, and although I fully intended to
> do it I'm sorry to say I didn't bother in the end.
> The problem with it was that there was no grab. Everything had to be
> weighted or tacked or braced in place although once it had gone off it was
> OK. Also, it was extremely difficult to get out of the tubes even with the
> nozzle cut short. Avoid.
Rick Hughes
The inner part of what? Screw into what ? bit confused here.
I am turing the gutter through 90 degrees so the gutter will lie
parallel to the tiles, the tiles are concrete double camber plain tiles
... I would have 'thought' that any attempt to put a selftapper into the
face of them would just split the tile.
Rick
"Clive E." wrote:
>
> In that case you don't need silicone adhesive at all! The standard trick
> is to use self tappers, just screwing them in far enough to bite into the
> inner part. Two little screws near the upper edges should do the trick.
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> Clive E. (Cli...@bigfoot.com) My views, not my employer's.
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Clive E. <Cli...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:86hgc7$b83
> I used this Wickes no-solvent stuff about six months ago and, unless the
> formula has changed, I will never use it again
IME all Wickes own brand products are completely crap. their building
materials are good value
BTW B&Q seem to do three packs of "no more nails" for £4.99 or so from time
to time
Nick D Stevens
success.
Bear in mind that you need to apply constant pressure for quite a while,
otherwise you will come back from shopping to find your woodwork stuck
splendidly.....to the floor :)
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Rick Hughes <rhu...@newbridge.com> wrote in message
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> Be interested in anybody out there has seen any tests or reports as to
> the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
>
Dave Plowman
Nick D Stevens <nickd@>toaststevens.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> Bear in mind that you need to apply constant pressure for quite a while,
> otherwise you will come back from shopping to find your woodwork stuck
> splendidly.....to the floor :)
I usually use Rawlplugs and screws to hold it while it dries. ;-)
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Steve Barnes
hall/stairs/landing with some VERY fiddly bits!
Found it brilliant, with very good adhesion and suction when wet (ie.
didn't need to clamp it). This was particularly useful on the stairs
bits!
Used 'No More Nails' in a third room, and found it to be a little less
adhesive when wet: needed to support the dado until it had started to
set.
Would only consider 'Gripfill' in future.
Steve
Rick Hughes wrote:
>
> Be interested in anybody out there has seen any tests or reports as to
> the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
>
> I am looking for 3 at present. The first a construction type, I have
> to fix some short lengths of guttering onto roof tiles, so need a long
> lasting waterproof & UV stable product.
>
> The second use is for fixing of hardwood skirting.
>
> Any recommendations, any to avoid?
>
> Rick
> --
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eden
>
>
>Any recommendations, any to avoid?
>
>Rick
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I used the Unibond version of skirting adhesive and it literally sucked the wood
out of my hands. Great stuff.
eden
Pallaeon
> the effectiveness or ratings of the gunable adhesives.
>
> I am looking for 3 at present. The first a construction type, I have
> to fix some short lengths of guttering onto roof tiles, so need a long
> lasting waterproof & UV stable product.
>
>
The Screwfix variant "i cannot believe it's not nails"! or something is the
best type I have ever used.
It is like Evostick for colour, bonding and stickiness and getting off you,
but comes in a tube!, and is 1/2 the price of others, all need some holding
in position but the above goes off much quicker.
Even now that our local B&Q shed is selling 3 for the price of 1 I am not
tempted to use the original stuff
Andrew
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Matthew Marks
"Simon Canfer" <s...@rl.nospam> writes:
> This product dries by losing water.
>
> types would be any use outside. I'll have to test that hypothesis out I
> think.
I expect it does more than lose water - a chemical reaction probably occurs,
which will not reverse when it gets wet again. Just like with cement.
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Martin Salter
> Simon Canfer <s...@rl.nospam> wrote in message
> news:86h9ev$i...@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...
> > Reminds me of what I read on Wickes' solvent free no-nails adhesive;
> >
>
Astonishingly its performance is rumoured to be worse than the solvent
version. I have used the solvent version and find it hard to believe. Its
astonishing how different products that say the same on the wrapper can be.
Andrew
<dave....@argonet.co.uk> writes
>In article <86ikot$6l0$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Nick D Stevens <nickd@>toaststevens.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>> Bear in mind that you need to apply constant pressure for quite a while,
>> otherwise you will come back from shopping to find your woodwork stuck
>> splendidly.....to the floor :)
>
>I usually use Rawlplugs and screws to hold it while it dries. ;-)
>
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Andrew
Dave Plowman
Andrew <and...@skydata.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I usually use Rawlplugs and screws to hold it while it dries. ;-)
> So why bother with the silly stuff anyway ????
And some fell on stony ground............
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john_h_schmitt
(Matthew Marks) wrote:
> I expect it does more than lose water - a chemical reaction
> probably occurs,
> which will not reverse when it gets wet again. Just like with
> cement.
Some acrylics use a zinc-catalysed crosslinking reaction, but most
polymer emulsions just coalesce into a film. They are polymerised in
the aqueous phase and are kept wet at all stages until application. By
being kept in the emulsified state, they are prevented (over several
years) from coalescing.
John Armstrong
<dave....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <UA1EIHAw...@skydata.demon.co.uk>,
> Andrew <and...@skydata.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >I usually use Rawlplugs and screws to hold it while it dries. ;-)
>> So why bother with the silly stuff anyway ????
>
>And some fell on stony ground............
Did it stick ?
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John
Dave Plowman
John Armstrong <jo...@ggrove.swinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >I usually use Rawlplugs and screws to hold it while it dries. ;-)
> >> So why bother with the silly stuff anyway ????
> >
> >And some fell on stony ground............
> Did it stick ?
Par for the course. You stick up your dado rail or whatever with one of
these, and then go out. When you come back, of course it has fallen off.
It is stuck to the floor with a force previously unknown to man........
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Matthew Marks
john_h_schmitt <john49N...@mdx.ac.uk.invalid> writes:
> Some acrylics use a zinc-catalysed crosslinking reaction, but most
> polymer emulsions just coalesce into a film.
So these adhesives are unsuitable for external use?
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john_h_schmitt
mat...@rd.bbc.co.uk (Matthew Marks) wrote:
>In article <184874d0...@usw-ex0101-004.remarq.com>,
> john_h_schmitt <john49N...@mdx.ac.uk.invalid> writes:
>> Some acrylics use a zinc-catalysed crosslinking reaction, but
most
>> polymer emulsions just coalesce into a film.
>
>So these adhesives are unsuitable for external use?
[please bear with me - remarq have just changed their interface]
After a fashion, yes. Ultimately the elements will cause the
adhesive to pack up, although depending on the severity of the
exposure, and the loading capacity expected, this could be
several decades. The best answer is probably on the packaging or
the product data sheet.