Half size silicone sealant?

[GB]

All the silicone sealant at places like Wickes comes in sizes of around
300ml. For a small job, that's far more than I need. Why don't the DIY
sheds sell smaller sizes? I mean the same size tubes, so they fit the
mastic guns, but half full, or one third full?

[tabb...@gmail.com]

they'd cost just as much


NT

[GB]

Surely the amount of goo inside the tube must make a difference to the
cost of manufacture and transport?

[Bob Minchin]

Since when do those costs enter into the retail price??

[David Lang]

Wilkinson sell 100ml & 150ml silicone but they cost more than a 300ml tube.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

[Hilo Black]

"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:n98ccd$tda$2...@dont-email.me...

Presumably because not very many need so little
and because they'd rather you buy the full 300ml
and throw the rest away.

[tabb...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, 7 February 2016 22:07:57 UTC, GB wrote:

It does. So do scale of manufacture & adding another retail SKU.


NT

[T i m]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 21:21:41 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
wrote:

I bought some small soft tubes of silicone from my local market (for a
pound each) for that reason. I hate going back to a nearly full tube
of silicon a few months after opening it to find the lot gone off. ;-(

I think I've seen the std size tubes of silicon in Poundland but I'm
not sure if that's cheaper than Wickes / Toolstation (or the same type
of stuff).

Cheers, T i m

[David Lang]

You can buy 6 spare nozzles for a quid ay Toolsatan.

[Bill Wright]

On 07/02/2016 21:21, GB wrote:

Because that wouldn't give the vendor any advantage. Consider the
mustard principle.

Bill

[stuart noble]

is the right answer. What's in the old nozzle is the only stuff I throw away

[jim]

stuart noble <stuart...@ntlworld.com> Wrote in message:

Tsk Tsk
Why not just poke the set "bung" of silicone out of the
nozzle
with a dowel/drill bit/other?
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[Mike Barnes]

Or stick a nail in there after use, and simply remove the nail?

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

[jim]

Mike Barnes <mikeba...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Yup, as long as the nozzles not been cut back too far to get
thicker beads, (or you have a big nail -as it were)

[T i m]

Yup, I generally do that (and it comes out in a nice conical plug) but
left much longer and the whole tube goes off. Even worse when it's
something expensive like Tigerseal. ;-(

Like the OP, I would much rather pay the same (even) for a smaller
tube simply to prevent the wastage because it's very rare I'd use a
whole tube at a time.

Cheers, T i m

[PeterC]

Bit of a faff, but I've found that a double layer of cling film twixt nozzle
and container stops the propogation of curing. Most of the time ICBA and
just use whatever is handy to block the nozzle.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

[T i m]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:04:03 +0000, PeterC
<giraffe...@homecall.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>Bit of a faff, but I've found that a double layer of cling film twixt nozzle
>and container stops the propogation of curing.

Totally Peter?

> Most of the time ICBA and
>just use whatever is handy to block the nozzle.

That's usually about the time you, your tools or what you are working
on are covered in silicone? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

p.s. I believe you like your furniture and I can't remember if I've
run my mums writing desk past you before? If not and if you don't
mind, may I contact you off list for your opinion / advice please?

[ss]

On 08/02/2016 00:49, Bill Wright wrote:
> Because that wouldn't give the vendor any advantage. Consider the
> mustard principle.

Yes Colemans made their fortune based on what people threw away, not
what they ate.

[jim]

Bill Wright <wrights...@f2s.com> Wrote in message:

Is it related to vinegar strokes?

[Theo]

T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> I think I've seen the std size tubes of silicon in Poundland but I'm
> not sure if that's cheaper than Wickes / Toolstation (or the same type
> of stuff).

I've not seen any silicone in Poundland - it's all acrylic sealant. I
suppose silicone is too expensive to hit the price point?

Theo

[T i m]

On 08 Feb 2016 21:36:35 +0000 (GMT), Theo

<theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> I think I've seen the std size tubes of silicon in Poundland but I'm
>> not sure if that's cheaper than Wickes / Toolstation (or the same type
>> of stuff).
>
>I've not seen any silicone in Poundland - it's all acrylic sealant.

You may be right. I meant to look today but got blown in the other
direction. ;-(

> I
>suppose silicone is too expensive to hit the price point?

It may be yes as the cheapest Toolsatation do is nearly two quid:

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p79192?table=no

Cheers, T i m

[PeterC]

On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:15:52 +0000, T i m wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:04:03 +0000, PeterC
> <giraffe...@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Bit of a faff, but I've found that a double layer of cling film twixt nozzle
>>and container stops the propogation of curing.
>
> Totally Peter?

Don't really know - it was a way of doing it, but never for long enough to
be sure, to be sure.

>
>> Most of the time ICBA and
>>just use whatever is handy to block the nozzle.
>
> That's usually about the time you, your tools or what you are working
> on are covered in silicone? ;-)

If possible, I prefer to avoid silicone as it's Death To Paint, Glue, Solder
and Plating!
It does get everywhere.

>
> Cheers, T i m
>
> p.s. I believe you like your furniture and I can't remember if I've
> run my mums writing desk past you before? If not and if you don't
> mind, may I contact you off list for your opinion / advice please?

Sorry, not I - and my house can't take any more :-(

[Martin Brown]

On 07/02/2016 23:35, T i m wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 21:21:41 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All the silicone sealant at places like Wickes comes in sizes of around
>> 300ml. For a small job, that's far more than I need. Why don't the DIY
>> sheds sell smaller sizes? I mean the same size tubes, so they fit the
>> mastic guns, but half full, or one third full?

They are in business to make money. The contents are not all that
expensive and the tube containing it is a major part of the cost.

> I bought some small soft tubes of silicone from my local market (for a
> pound each) for that reason. I hate going back to a nearly full tube
> of silicon a few months after opening it to find the lot gone off. ;-(

If you want to make it stay OK for a while then a layer of cling film
over wrapped tightly with aluminium foil under the official sealing cap
will make it sufficiently gas tight after the already exposed stuff
cures that it will keep for a while in a cool place.

Obviously you will have to cut a bit more off the end of the applicator
or drill it out since some will cure inside the applicator itself.

>
> I think I've seen the std size tubes of silicon in Poundland but I'm
> not sure if that's cheaper than Wickes / Toolstation (or the same type
> of stuff).

The only small sizes I have seen were either more expensive or the same
price as the full size tubes.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[T i m]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:02:51 +0000, PeterC
<giraffe...@homecall.co.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Feb 2016 18:15:52 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:04:03 +0000, PeterC
>> <giraffe...@homecall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>Bit of a faff, but I've found that a double layer of cling film twixt nozzle
>>>and container stops the propogation of curing.
>>
>> Totally Peter?
>
>Don't really know - it was a way of doing it, but never for long enough to
>be sure, to be sure.

Ok.

>>
>>> Most of the time ICBA and
>>>just use whatever is handy to block the nozzle.
>>
>> That's usually about the time you, your tools or what you are working
>> on are covered in silicone? ;-)
>
>If possible, I prefer to avoid silicone as it's Death To Paint, Glue, Solder
>and Plating!

True. Mum had her lounge re-decorated recently and she asked me why
they guy had left a wavy line over the bay window frame? I had a quick
look and saw it was the 5l of silicone the DG fitters had used to fit
the trim round the outside. ;-(

>It does get everywhere.

It can, that's for sure.

When I had the DG fitted here I stopped them before the 'siliconing
loads of uPVC trim over everything' stage and made good myself
'properly'.

>>
>> p.s. I believe you like your furniture and I can't remember if I've
>> run my mums writing desk past you before? If not and if you don't
>> mind, may I contact you off list for your opinion / advice please?
>
>Sorry, not I - and my house can't take any more :-(

Sorry about the confusion Peter. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:13:42 +0000, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 07/02/2016 23:35, T i m wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 21:21:41 +0000, GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All the silicone sealant at places like Wickes comes in sizes of around
>>> 300ml. For a small job, that's far more than I need. Why don't the DIY
>>> sheds sell smaller sizes? I mean the same size tubes, so they fit the
>>> mastic guns, but half full, or one third full?
>
>They are in business to make money.

True.

>The contents are not all that
>expensive and the tube containing it is a major part of the cost.

Yup.

>
>> I bought some small soft tubes of silicone from my local market (for a
>> pound each) for that reason. I hate going back to a nearly full tube
>> of silicon a few months after opening it to find the lot gone off. ;-(
>
>If you want to make it stay OK for a while then a layer of cling film
>over wrapped tightly with aluminium foil under the official sealing cap
>will make it sufficiently gas tight after the already exposed stuff
>cures that it will keep for a while in a cool place.

Yes, that technique has been mentioned elsewhere and I'll give it a
try (thanks).

>
>Obviously you will have to cut a bit more off the end of the applicator
>or drill it out since some will cure inside the applicator itself.

I find it can usually push out from the outside in (when the nozzle is
removed).

>>
>> I think I've seen the std size tubes of silicon in Poundland but I'm
>> not sure if that's cheaper than Wickes / Toolstation (or the same type
>> of stuff).
>
>The only small sizes I have seen were either more expensive or the same
>price as the full size tubes.

Or more expensive when bought in fancy craft shops etc. ;-(

I have bought several tubes of good quality silicone (Aquaseal mSeal
595, 80ml 'Marine grade silicone sealant') from our local market for
£1 / go. I think it's end_of_line and you have to check each tube as
you pick it up as I noted some have already gone off (I guess it only
need a tiny spit in the tube to kill the lot).

I'll see if he has any left when I see him next. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[stuart noble]

>
> When I had the DG fitted here I stopped them before the 'siliconing
> loads of uPVC trim over everything' stage and made good myself
> 'properly'.

The DG installers I've seen use super glue for the trims. Used with a
curing agent spray it goes off instantly

[GB]

On 09/02/2016 10:22, T i m wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:13:42 +0000, Martin Brown

>> The contents are not all that
>> expensive and the tube containing it is a major part of the cost.
>
> Yup.

Hmm, you can get tubes that are more or less identical but filled with
different gunk, and the difference in cost is substantial.

[Martin Brown]

The shelf price is mostly determined by what the market will pay for it
and not some naive cost plus formula on the raw ingredients.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[T i m]

Yes, when sticking uPVC to itself. When sticking / filling trim to
walls and surrounds they seem to use silicone and loads of it.

The elderly in-laws had a bay window replaced by one of the 'bigger'
DG boys. Long sort they made a right mess of it and the house owners
wouldn't let them back in the property (I know ... ). ;-(

The internal windowsill was held up by several (wobbly) stacks of
spacers siliconed together and siliconed to the inside of the frame.

Cheers, T i m

[GB]

Is the Dow Corning sealant really that much better?