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Oct 21, 2012, 6:56:08 AM10/21/12
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This is hardly urgent. When we moved into this house ten years ago, we
inherited a bidet which has not been much use, as the plug is stuck in
the plug hole. There is a plunger type thingy which is supposed to
raise the plug, but doesn't. Looking below/from behind, there is a rod
from the plunger to a lever, connected by a few inches of rubber pipe.
Presumable the lever, which angles out of the drain, is supposed to move
up and down, or in and out. Any idea which? I'm reluctant to force it,
in case I'm trying to move it in the wrong direction.

Thanks.
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GB

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Oct 21, 2012, 8:49:19 AM10/21/12
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I'd expect up and down, but which way does the plunger 'want' to move it?

DerbyBorn

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Oct 21, 2012, 8:50:10 AM10/21/12
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News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in
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Pushing the outside of the lever down caused the section inside th epipe to
lift and raise the plug. However, the plug has an adjustable length of rod
on the bottom of it. This can have gone out of adjustment and the lever may
not be even making contact. Have you tried lifting the plug using a sucker?

I presume the lever is actually moving and is not siezed.

JTM

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Oct 21, 2012, 8:59:37 AM10/21/12
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In article <iqNmeETI...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, News
<Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> This is hardly urgent. When we moved into this house ten
> years ago, we inherited a bidet which has not been much
> use, as the plug is stuck in the plug hole. There is a
> plunger type thingy which is supposed to raise the plug,
> but doesn't. Looking below/from behind, there is a rod
> from the plunger to a lever, connected by a few inches of
> rubber pipe. Presumable the lever, which angles out of
> the drain, is supposed to move up and down, or in and
> out.
All the ones I've got are just simple up /down. Imagine a
see-saw, as you press one end down (visible end of rod) the
other end (on which the base of the plug rests) pops up.

> Any idea which? I'm reluctant to force it, in
> case I'm trying to move it in the wrong direction.
But if you just ease your fingernails around the top of the
plug you should be able to lift it out.

Adjustment:- sometimes the bottom of the plug has a bolt
which can be adjusted for length, usually with a lock nut,
or more fiddly, where the vertical rod and the horizontal
rod join there is probably a connecting block with a screw
fitting that may allow adjustment.

(Quite often though, after a few years everything is rusty/
corroded/ cracked)

> Thanks.

Brian Gaff

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Oct 21, 2012, 9:25:52 AM10/21/12
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Yup you can't beat the old rubber plug on a chain really, all this clever
stuff is fine at the start but usually succumbs to over zealous users or
lime scale and rust.

Brian

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Roger Mills

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Oct 21, 2012, 9:31:11 AM10/21/12
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On 21/10/2012 11:56, News wrote:
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There is a horizontal rod which moves the plug. This is pivoted in the
middle by means of a ball and socket joint - which can be accessed by
unscrewing its cap, round the back of the bidet. The plunger and
horizontal rod should be connected by a two-piece metal connector whose
pieces can rotate relative to each other, and where each piece has a
hole for its rod and a clamp screw. To adjust, you loosen the clamp
screw and move it up and down on the plunger rod so that when you move
the plunger up and down the horizontal rod moves up and down by the
right amount to lift the plug. [I don't understand the bit about the
rubber tube].

As others have said, there is usually some adjustment on the bottom of
the plug to allow it to close fully when the plunger is up and to open
sufficiently to let the water out when the plunger is down.

You might find that the bottom of the plug simply sits on the horizontal
rod, so that it can be lifted right out - or you might find that the
horizontal rod passes through a hole in the base of the plug - so that
the plug can't be lifted right out until you've unscrewed the cap over
the horizontal rod's ball joint, and removed the rod.

Either way, if it hasn't been used for a long time, it's all going to
need to come apart to be thoroughly cleaned and lubricated before it
will work properly.

[It's actually quite straightforward, and takes longer to describe than
to do!]
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Oct 21, 2012, 11:01:58 AM10/21/12
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On 21/10/2012 14:25, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yup you can't beat the old rubber plug on a chain really, all this clever
> stuff is fine at the start but usually succumbs to over zealous users or
> lime scale and rust.

Which means they get to sell you the same thing again... wonder why they
are so popular with the makers?


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zaax

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Oct 21, 2012, 12:58:41 PM10/21/12
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You'll have to come up from the other way. Undo the ubend and push a
sink unblocker (or a piece of wire) up to remove the plug.

Bob Eager

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Oct 21, 2012, 1:47:56 PM10/21/12
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I hope you don't use that approach instead of the Heimlich manoeuvre!



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You would not fall for the same trick twice surely?

Brian

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John Rumm

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Oct 21, 2012, 2:35:16 PM10/21/12
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On 21/10/2012 18:56, Brian Gaff wrote:

> You would not fall for the same trick twice surely?

Have you seen how frequently some women want new kitchens and bathrooms
given the chance? ;-)

News

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Oct 21, 2012, 3:49:37 PM10/21/12
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In message <aeibm9...@mid.individual.net>, Roger Mills
<watt....@gmail.com> writes
>On 21/10/2012 11:56, News wrote:
>>
>> This is hardly urgent. When we moved into this house ten years ago, we
>> inherited a bidet which has not been much use, as the plug is stuck in
>> the plug hole.
>
>To adjust, you loosen the clamp screw and move it up and down on the
>plunger rod so that when you move the plunger up and down the
>horizontal rod moves up and down by the right amount to lift the plug.
>[I don't understand the bit about the rubber tube].

There is a knob on top, which is connected to a vertical metal rod.
Behind the bidet, a rod exits above the U bend, horizontally. The
rubber tube, bent 90 degrees, connects the two.
>
>Either way, if it hasn't been used for a long time, it's all going to
>need to come apart to be thoroughly cleaned and lubricated before it
>will work properly.

That is an understatement :-)

Looking at the plug, which is still stuck in position, others have
obviously tried before me. Both plug and surround are covered in
scratches. Someone has been trying to remove it from the top. I think
you are all correct - the only way is dismantle, and attack from below.
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Oct 21, 2012, 3:54:11 PM10/21/12
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John Rumm wrote:
> On 21/10/2012 18:56, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
> > You would not fall for the same trick twice surely?
>
> Have you seen how frequently some women want new kitchens and
> bathrooms given the chance? ;-)

Pure class John:-)

You know that Brian is blind.


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John Rumm

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Oct 21, 2012, 4:36:15 PM10/21/12
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Not all observations need to be visual ;-)

Roger Mills

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Oct 21, 2012, 5:25:20 PM10/21/12
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On 21/10/2012 20:49, News wrote:

>
> Looking at the plug, which is still stuck in position, others have
> obviously tried before me. Both plug and surround are covered in
> scratches. Someone has been trying to remove it from the top. I think
> you are all correct - the only way is dismantle, and attack from below.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpnzce5ARnc shows the
components of a basin pop-up waste which is essentially the same as the
one on your bidet - apart from joining the 2 rods with a conventional
joining block rather than a bent bit of rubber.

Anyway, it might give you some ideas.

DerbyBorn

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Oct 22, 2012, 9:05:05 AM10/22/12
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Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote in news:aej7faFdlnlU1
@mid.individual.net:

> http://www.youtube.com/



He missed the important step - to tighten the locknut at the bottom of the
plug assembly. This is the cause of many of the poblems!

Roger Mills

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Oct 22, 2012, 10:33:02 AM10/22/12
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Indeed he did. I cited it in order to illustrate how the various bits
fit together - and come apart - rather than as a brilliant example of
how to do it. He seemed to be making a bit of a meal of it!

DerbyBorn

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Oct 23, 2012, 7:35:06 AM10/23/12
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Roger Mills <watt....@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On 22/10/2012 14:05, DerbyBorn wrote:
>> Roger Mills<watt....@gmail.com> wrote in news:aej7faFdlnlU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> He missed the important step - to tighten the locknut at the bottom
>> of the plug assembly. This is the cause of many of the poblems!
>
> Indeed he did. I cited it in order to illustrate how the various bits
> fit together - and come apart - rather than as a brilliant example of
> how to do it. He seemed to be making a bit of a meal of it!

I had this problem with a couple of basins in a villa I rented. Both were
due to the adjuster having slipped due to not being locked.

I guess that if the "see-saw" rod is seen to be freely moving then the
problem is the adjustment. - It may me that the linkage between the
operating (vertical) ros and the see-saw could have slipped. However, the
OP needs to free off the plug first.

News

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Oct 25, 2012, 3:42:22 PM10/25/12
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In message <aej7fa...@mid.individual.net>, Roger Mills
<watt....@gmail.com> writes
>
>This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpnzce5ARnc shows the
>components of a basin pop-up waste which is essentially the same as the
>one on your bidet - apart from joining the 2 rods with a conventional
>joining block rather than a bent bit of rubber.

Had another look behind the bidet this afternoon - I can only see really
clearly on a bright sunny day :-)

The actuator is most certainly not an up and down movement as shown in
the video. I've now realised that the device on top of the bidet, to
open the plug, is meant to rotate, not go up and down. Removing the
'bent bit of rubber' reveals the remains of a spring - the connection
between the device on top and the plug itself was a little like net
curtain wire. Presumably that broke years ago, and the rubber pipe was
a replacement. Rotating the knob on top of the bidet transfers the
movement through 90 degrees to a rod emerging just above the u-bend. The
rod rotates, but the plug remains stuck fast :-(

I cannot get inside it without a total strip down, which is going to be
a pain. I suppose I could try squirting WD40 around the top of the
plug, and see if enough works down to free the plug. That will make the
bathroom stink, and please the wife ...
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Tim+

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Oct 25, 2012, 3:53:43 PM10/25/12
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Just rip the whole thing out and get a toilet seat bidet. ;-)

Tim

News

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Oct 26, 2012, 2:58:48 PM10/26/12
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>News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I cannot get inside it without a total strip down, which is going to be a
>> pain. I suppose I could try squirting WD40 around the top of the plug,
>> and see if enough works down to free the plug. That will make the
>> bathroom stink, and please the wife ...
>
>Just rip the whole thing out and get a toilet seat bidet. ;-)

But I don't *want* a bidet :-)

I'm only trying to resurrect it, because it is there.
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Oct 26, 2012, 5:47:18 PM10/26/12
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Don't knock 'em until you've tried them. Depends a bit on your rear end
hirsuosity. If you're hairy arsed, they're great.

Tim

News

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In message <iqNmeETI...@nospam.demon.co.uk>, News
<Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>This is hardly urgent. When we moved into this house ten years ago, we
>inherited a bidet which has not been much use, as the plug is stuck in
>the plug hole.

That was three years ago,and I've just got the plug out :-)

Been dribbling penetrating oil around the stuck plug for the last week,
and today got the plug out, or up, easily, using a scalpel blade.
Unfortunately, the plug is attached to a rod and only comes up about
three inches - otherwise I would bin it, and use a plug on a chain from
above.

Anyway, the mechanism is interesting. The plug release, which I thought
should lift up and down, actually moves left to right, turning a rod
which terminates down below, close to the waste outlet. The connection
on the waste outlet is another rod which rotates, lifting or lowering
the plug. The two are connected by what is best described as a length
of spring which takes the turning action through ninety degrees.

Needless to say, the spring is broken, probably by people trying to lift
the plug - it was stuck when we moved here, in 2002. Cannot find
anything like it on the web, so plan A is to strip it down, and see if a
short length of net curtain wire may suffice, unless anyone has an
alternative brilliant idea?

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Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <zXAcluZ1...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Needless to say, the spring is broken, probably by people trying to lift
> the plug - it was stuck when we moved here, in 2002. Cannot find
> anything like it on the web, so plan A is to strip it down, and see if a
> short length of net curtain wire may suffice, unless anyone has an
> alternative brilliant idea?

If you've managed without for 13 years, why bother now? ;-)

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In message <54c4413...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>In article <zXAcluZ1...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
> News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Needless to say, the spring is broken, probably by people trying to lift
>> the plug - it was stuck when we moved here, in 2002.
>
>If you've managed without for 13 years, why bother now? ;-)

<grin> I don't think I've ever used a bidet, but this one annoys me,
just because it sits there, and I know it doesn't work.

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May 15, 2015, 3:42:02 PM5/15/15
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Hopefully its now sorted. Just dont plug electrical appliances into the bidet in future.


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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <zXAcluZ1...@nospam.demon.co.uk>,
> News <Gra...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Needless to say, the spring is broken, probably by people trying to lift
>> the plug - it was stuck when we moved here, in 2002. Cannot find
>> anything like it on the web, so plan A is to strip it down, and see if a
>> short length of net curtain wire may suffice, unless anyone has an
>> alternative brilliant idea?
>
> If you've managed without for 13 years, why bother now? ;-)
>
yes you only keep bottles cool in it at foreign hotels ......


Brian-Gaff

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Are you sure this is not a Bowden cable system? these tend to get jammed up
with gunge and need replacing.
Brian

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News

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In message <mj6s8b$d30$1...@dont-email.me>, Brian-Gaff
<bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>Are you sure this is not a Bowden cable system? these tend to get jammed up
>with gunge and need replacing.

Hi Brian. I would send an image, but realise that would be pointless
:-(

I suppose it is similar to Bowden cable, but a much heavier gauge. The
rod exiting the bidet underneath is designed to rotate - it does not
toggle side to side, up or down or even in and out. It merely rotates,
and probably has a cam below the plug - there is another rod under the
plug, which presumably rides on the cam.

Above the bidet (between the taps) is the plug release, a knob which
rotates. The knob is attached to yet another rod pointing straight
down, so the two rods meet at an angle of 90 degrees. The connection
comprises two brass fittings, one for each road, joined by a length
(about four inches) of tightly would wire, much like a spring. The
spring is covered by a plastic sleeve. The spring is broken.

The connection unit is currently having a wash and brush up in the
tumbler, after which I'll see about removing the broken spring, and what
might replace it.
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Muddymike

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May 18, 2015, 4:04:29 AM5/18/15
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Would a piece of plastic tube work in place of the spring?

Mike

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In message <a8CdnTS-pcmbAMTI...@brightview.com>, Muddymike
<mudd...@mattishall.org.uk> writes
>>Needless to say, the spring is broken, probably by people trying to
>>lift the plug - it was stuck when we moved here, in 2002. Cannot find
>>anything like it on the web, so plan A is to strip it down, and see if
>>a short length of net curtain wire may suffice, unless anyone has an
>>alternative brilliant idea?
>>
>
>Would a piece of plastic tube work in place of the spring?

That is Plan B :-)

At present, the horizontal rod which rotates to lift the plug is very
stiff, so I'm giving it a daily squirt of penetrating oil. Just age, as
we are in a very soft water area, so not scale. Trying to fix it at
present will be hopeless - it needs pliers to turn. Hopefully it will
free off, then I'll proceed further.
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