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rbowman
May 29, 2023, 5:46:45 PM5/29/23
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On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:01:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Not well, as by the time the war ended Britain was in no position to
> keep any promises, and The USA and Russia let Stalin have Eastern
> Europe.
Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
has his back. If interest wanes...
> It took massive campaigning by Churchill to alert the USA to the basic
> fact that Stalin wanted do do wjat Hitler had failed to do - incorprate
> all of Europe into a colonial empire.
There always was the gamesmanship going back to before the Triple Entente,
playing Russia against Germany. The US was either to stupid to play or
wanted the USSR as a counterweight. They should have known Stalin's
'socialism in one country' wasn't going to last. It was a temporary stance
when trying to export communism to Europe failed.
That was followed by the 'oh shit!' moment when the US realized that
turning what was left of Germany into the backward farming community
envisioned by Morgenthau wasn't going to work.
There was also a clear message during the Hungarian Revolution. Whether or
not the CIA and RFE played a part in it, the 'our thoughts and prayers are
with you' showed the rest of the nations they were on their own.
> Not well, as by the time the war ended Britain was in no position to
> keep any promises, and The USA and Russia let Stalin have Eastern
> Europe.
Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
has his back. If interest wanes...
> It took massive campaigning by Churchill to alert the USA to the basic
> fact that Stalin wanted do do wjat Hitler had failed to do - incorprate
> all of Europe into a colonial empire.
There always was the gamesmanship going back to before the Triple Entente,
playing Russia against Germany. The US was either to stupid to play or
wanted the USSR as a counterweight. They should have known Stalin's
'socialism in one country' wasn't going to last. It was a temporary stance
when trying to export communism to Europe failed.
That was followed by the 'oh shit!' moment when the US realized that
turning what was left of Germany into the backward farming community
envisioned by Morgenthau wasn't going to work.
There was also a clear message during the Hungarian Revolution. Whether or
not the CIA and RFE played a part in it, the 'our thoughts and prayers are
with you' showed the rest of the nations they were on their own.
Peeler
May 29, 2023, 6:19:15 PM5/29/23
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On 29 May 2023 21:45:21 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
> similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
> has his back. If interest wanes...
Tell everyone again about how Nazi Germany wanted nothing but "to build a
road to East Prussia", you perverted bigmouthed Nazi-sympathizer! LOL
--
Trump-, Hitler- and Putin-sympathizer lowbrowwoman about Nazi-Germany's good
intentions:
"At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia which
had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor."
MID: <kabnetF...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
> similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
> has his back. If interest wanes...
road to East Prussia", you perverted bigmouthed Nazi-sympathizer! LOL
--
Trump-, Hitler- and Putin-sympathizer lowbrowwoman about Nazi-Germany's good
intentions:
"At the onset all Germany wanted was to build a road to East Prussia which
had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor."
MID: <kabnetF...@mid.individual.net>
Rod Speed
May 29, 2023, 6:58:54 PM5/29/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:45:21 +1000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:01:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Not well, as by the time the war ended Britain was in no position to
>> keep any promises, and The USA and Russia let Stalin have Eastern
>> Europe.
>
> Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
> similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
> has his back. If interest wanes...
It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex ukrainians
> On Mon, 29 May 2023 11:01:56 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Not well, as by the time the war ended Britain was in no position to
>> keep any promises, and The USA and Russia let Stalin have Eastern
>> Europe.
>
> Nor was it in a position when Poland was invaded. I see Ukraine in a
> similar position, refusing to negotiate since Zelensky believes the west
> has his back. If interest wanes...
and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The Ukraine is doing
wonders for their military industrial complexes.
rbowman
May 30, 2023, 12:00:37 AM5/30/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex ukrainians
> and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The Ukraine is doing
> wonders for their military industrial complexes.
Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted vacuum
> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex ukrainians
> and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The Ukraine is doing
> wonders for their military industrial complexes.
cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses when their
normal strip develops big holes?
Rod Speed
May 30, 2023, 12:43:13 AM5/30/23
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Peeler
May 30, 2023, 4:02:08 AM5/30/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.d...@sqwertz.com>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
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Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.d...@sqwertz.com>
Peeler
May 30, 2023, 4:03:09 AM5/30/23
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On 30 May 2023 03:59:16 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
--
Self-admiring lowbrowwoman telling everyone yet another "thrilling" story
about her great life:
"In a role reversal my mother taught her father to drive. She was in the
back seat when he took his first test, trying a little telepathy: "release
the handbrake. release the handbrake'. He didn't, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better."
MID: <kafp0u...@mid.individual.net>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted vacuum
> cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses when their
> normal strip develops big holes?
I only wonder whether a F-16 would fit in your BIG BIG mouth, bigmouth! LOL
> cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses when their
> normal strip develops big holes?
--
Self-admiring lowbrowwoman telling everyone yet another "thrilling" story
about her great life:
"In a role reversal my mother taught her father to drive. She was in the
back seat when he took his first test, trying a little telepathy: "release
the handbrake. release the handbrake'. He didn't, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better."
MID: <kafp0u...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
May 30, 2023, 4:03:38 AM5/30/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:40:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
The Natural Philosopher
May 30, 2023, 5:57:45 AM5/30/23
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scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.
People are delighted that they have a 'pre loved' value.
--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956
rbowman
May 30, 2023, 7:37:52 PM5/30/23
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suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.
rbowman
May 30, 2023, 7:39:55 PM5/30/23
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 10:57:41 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/05/2023 04:59, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
>>> ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
>>> Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.
>>
>> Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
>> vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
>> when their normal strip develops big holes?
>
> F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or
> scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.
>
> People are delighted that they have a 'pre loved' value.
Like the B-52s they fly. They're scheduled to be replaced by F-35s someday
> On 30/05/2023 04:59, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 May 2023 08:58:45 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
>>> ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
>>> Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.
>>
>> Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
>> vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
>> when their normal strip develops big holes?
>
> F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or
> scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.
>
> People are delighted that they have a 'pre loved' value.
soon.
Rod Speed
May 30, 2023, 8:34:58 PM5/30/23
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 09:37:47 +1000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:40:55 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
>>>> ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
>>>> Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.
>>
>>> Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
>>> vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
>>> when their normal strip develops big holes?
>>
>> They are quite capable of filling in the holes.
>
> Agreed. And the Russians are quite capable of blowing new ones.
And the Ukrainians are quite capable of shooting down those trying to do
> On Tue, 30 May 2023 14:40:55 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>>>> It won't while ever none of the west except the more rabid ex
>>>> ukrainians and their kids are the only ones getting killed. The
>>>> Ukraine is doing wonders for their military industrial complexes.
>>
>>> Nice new market for F-16s. I wonder how that big old belly mounted
>>> vacuum cleaner will do on some of the improvised strips Ukraine uses
>>> when their normal strip develops big holes?
>>
>> They are quite capable of filling in the holes.
>
> Agreed. And the Russians are quite capable of blowing new ones.
that.
> It must
> suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.
Rod Speed
May 30, 2023, 8:42:53 PM5/30/23
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The Natural Philosopher
May 31, 2023, 3:43:01 AM5/31/23
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capable of blowing holes in anything, except their own cities.
Russia is totally cattled*, and it is only a matter of time before it
collapses. Wait and see.
*Rhyming slang. Cf Cattle Truck.
Peeler
May 31, 2023, 4:05:13 AM5/31/23
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On 30 May 2023 23:37:47 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
bigmouthed Trump-, Putin-, and Hitler sympathizer? <VBG>
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Agreed. And the Russians are quite capable of blowing new ones. It must
> suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.
Putin is a "genius", as your hero Stumpie said, isn't he, you idiotic
> suck to be in the air when somebody shoots the shit out of your home.
bigmouthed Trump-, Putin-, and Hitler sympathizer? <VBG>
Peeler
May 31, 2023, 4:06:05 AM5/31/23
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 10:34:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID: <g4t0jt...@mid.individual.net>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID: <g4t0jt...@mid.individual.net>
Peeler
May 31, 2023, 4:07:51 AM5/31/23
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On 30 May 2023 23:39:50 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
topic, you pathological bigmouth?
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:
> Like the B-52s they fly. They're scheduled to be replaced by F-35s someday
> soon.
In which of the three ngs you keep trashing is your latest senile crap on
> soon.
topic, you pathological bigmouth?
Peeler
May 31, 2023, 4:08:26 AM5/31/23
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 10:42:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743...@news.individual.net>
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
Tim+ about trolling Rodent Speed:
<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
--
He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743...@news.individual.net>
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