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22mm compression fittings: spanners required?

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Stephen

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Apr 29, 2009, 5:31:28 AM4/29/09
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Hello,

What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings?
The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body?
I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
"cheat" and use adjustable ones?

Thanks,
Stephen

Stephen

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Apr 29, 2009, 5:38:44 AM4/29/09
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Sorry to post to myself; I hit send too soon.

I also have to dismantle a leaky and very old pillar tap. I measured
that and the flange is 34mm wide so I need to buy something that is
that wide (fixed or adjustable).

I do have stilsons and adjustable spanners but they stop at about 30mm
(and are only marked up to 25mm). It seems most spanner sets only go
up to 24mm, so for 22mm plumbing a new set of spanners is required.
Why don't sets include these sizes? Surely they must be used often, or
is it that all the professionals solder?

Screwfix used to sell a big Hilka spanner set up to 32mm (IIRC) but I
had three or four sent to me and all were rusty on arrival, so all got
sent back. Any recommendations on what and where to buy or not buy?

I guess the tap needs a new washer and or reseating.

Thanks,
Stephen.

Scott M

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:07:03 AM4/29/09
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Stephen wrote:

> I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
> seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
> 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
> "cheat" and use adjustable ones?

I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've
always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of
sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are
imperial/Whitworth ones.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

Tim S

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:17:57 AM4/29/09
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Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared:

Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners :) Unless space is tight
and you need a slim normal spanner.

A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.

Cheers

Tim

dennis@home

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:52:42 AM4/29/09
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These are better..
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Plumbers+Tools/Split+Ring+Compression+Fitting+Spanner+1522mm/d10/sd210/p23418

They also fit 20 mm swa glands but not the nut.

Invisible Man

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:58:57 AM4/29/09
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I have a massive jumbo adjustable spanner I picked up years ago. Have
also been known to use a mole wrench, adjustable pliers etc.

TheScullster

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Apr 29, 2009, 8:47:03 AM4/29/09
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"Stephen" wrote

I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal
shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so will
fit where stilsons won't.
A set of these and 2 or three shifter sizes will cover a lot of plumbing
jobs.
You don't need to apply ridiculous leverage even to make up a 22mm
compression joint, so as long as you have a pretty firm grip these are a
must
http://www.altecweb.com/home.asp?rf=ggl&kw=pipe+grip&cat=categoryWater+Pump+Pliers
These are examples of type only - look for quality items to purchase

Phil


Grimly Curmudgeon

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Apr 29, 2009, 9:19:37 AM4/29/09
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Stephen <inv...@invalid.org>
saying something like:

Varies from maker to maker.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 29, 2009, 9:50:03 AM4/29/09
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"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Tim S" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
> news:49f82956$0$513$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings?
>>> The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body?
>>> I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
>>> seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
>>> 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
>>> "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephen
>>
>> Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners :) Unless space is
>> tight
>> and you need a slim normal spanner.
>>
>> A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.

Bahco are overpriced and rust.

What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to maker.

One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth
jaws. About �20, but seen one for �10 at a tool stall once:
<http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Locking+Adjustable+Wrench>

Frank Erskine

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Apr 29, 2009, 10:05:37 AM4/29/09
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:58:57 +0100, Invisible Man
<Invi...@invalid.invalid> had this to say:

Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the
correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size.

--
Frank Erskine

Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 29, 2009, 10:55:26 AM4/29/09
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In article <gt98si$jh5$1...@aioe.org>,

Scott M <no_one@no_where.net> wrote:
> I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've
> always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of
> sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are
> imperial/Whitworth ones.

Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality
adjustable is better.

--
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Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 29, 2009, 10:53:19 AM4/29/09
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In article <le7gv49dnhkm0phtd...@4ax.com>,

I'd say it might also depend on the make of fitting - some still seem to
use the old imperial sizes on the body. Luckily I have a fair selection of
such spanners so just use one that fits.

This chart might help you guess what it is :-

http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~psc/spanner_jaw.html

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Steve Firth

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Apr 29, 2009, 12:25:48 PM4/29/09
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Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
> jaws for dripping

Invented by a northerner? They have jaws for dripping as well.

Tim S

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Apr 29, 2009, 1:52:22 PM4/29/09
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Doctor Drivel coughed up some electrons that declared:

> Bahco are overpriced

Possibly

> and rust.

No they don't - mine's 15 years old and in mint condition.


The Medway Handyman

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Apr 29, 2009, 2:12:25 PM4/29/09
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:0040ae27$0$21886$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>
>>
>> "Tim S" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>> news:49f82956$0$513$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>> Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression
>>>> fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the
>>>> middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I
>>>> think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up
>>>> to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm
>>>> spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners :) Unless space
>>> is tight
>>> and you need a slim normal spanner.
>>>
>>> A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.
>
> Bahco are overpriced and rust.

Bollox.

>> These are better..
>> http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Plumbers+Tools/Split+Ring+Compression+Fitting+Spanner+1522mm/d10/sd210/p23418
>
> What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to
> maker.
> One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable
> smooth jaws. About �20, but seen one for �10 at a tool stall once:
> <http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Locking+Adjustable+Wrench>

Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


The Medway Handyman

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Apr 29, 2009, 2:16:00 PM4/29/09
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TheScullster wrote:
> "Stephen" wrote
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression
>> fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle
>> of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it
>> was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I
>> could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be
>> too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>
> I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many
> hexagonal shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have
> narrow(ish) jaws so will fit where stilsons won't.

I'd have called those water pump pliers.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 29, 2009, 3:40:10 PM4/29/09
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"Tim S" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 29, 2009, 3:41:45 PM4/29/09
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"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
>> "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
>> news:0040ae27$0$21886$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tim S" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
>>> news:49f82956$0$513$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>>>> Stephen coughed up some electrons that declared:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression
>>>>> fittings? The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the
>>>>> middle of the body? I measured it with a vernier calliper and I
>>>>> think it was 28.5mm, which seems an awkward size. Rounding that up
>>>>> to 29mm, I could not find any 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm
>>>>> spanner be too big or do you "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>> Nothing "cheating" about using adjustable spanners :) Unless space
>>>> is tight
>>>> and you need a slim normal spanner.
>>>>
>>>> A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.
>>
>> Bahco are overpriced and rust.
>
> Bollox.

You know nothing about tools!

>>> These are better..
>>> http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Plumbers+Tools/Split+Ring+Compression+Fitting+Spanner+1522mm/d10/sd210/p23418
>>
>> What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to
>> maker.
>> One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable
>> smooth jaws. About �20, but seen one for �10 at a tool stall once:
>> <http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Locking+Adjustable+Wrench>
>
> Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster.

Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up.

Doctor Drivel

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Apr 29, 2009, 3:45:51 PM4/29/09
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"Scott M" <no_one@no_where.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen wrote:
>
>> I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
>> seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
>> 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
>> "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>
> I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing

Stilsons are for pipes only - not fittings!!!

Doctor Drivel

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> Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
>> jaws for dripping
>
> Invented by a northerner?

MY God!!! A Wurzle!!!

Doctor Drivel

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"TheScullster" <ph...@dropthespam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Stephen" wrote
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings?
>> The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body?
>> I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
>> seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
>> 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
>> "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen
>
> I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal
> shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so
> will fit where stilsons won't.

And chew up fittings!

The Medway Handyman

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Apr 29, 2009, 4:00:19 PM4/29/09
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Doctor Drivel wrote:
A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.
>>>
>>> Bahco are overpriced and rust.
>>
>> Bollox.
>
> You know nothing about tools!

Only that you are a prize one.


>
>>>> These are better..
>>>> http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand+Tools/Plumbers+Tools/Split+Ring+Compression+Fitting+Spanner+1522mm/d10/sd210/p23418
>>>
>>> What make does it fit? The nuts are all different from maker to
>>> maker.
>>> One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable
>>> adjustable smooth jaws. About �20, but seen one for �10 at a tool
>>> stall once:
>>> <http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=85-610&SDesc=10%26%2334%3B+MaxGrip%26%23153%3B+Locking+Adjustable+Wrench>
>>
>> Agreed, brilliant tool, the puppies parts. Got mine from Axminster.
>
> Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up.

Yup. I've learnt not to cut Hep2O with a hacksaw.

Doctor Drivel

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"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Doctor Drivel wrote:
> A good quality Bahco in a couple of sizes deals with many evils.
>>>>
>>>> Bahco are overpriced and rust.
>>>
>>> Bollox.
>>
>> You know nothing about tools!
>
> Only that you are a prize one.

Like a mallet to hit cowboys with.

>> Ah Good. You are learning. Keep it up.
>
> Yup. I've learnt not to cut Hep2O with a hacksaw.

Fantastic. Make sure it is square and get rid of burrs...and all will be OK.
Pro can do that but please with you being a cowboy get a tool designed for
the incompetent.

Scott M

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:18:30 PM4/29/09
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
> jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality
> adjustable is better.

Annoys me too! I've got some Screwfix vouchers that I might put towards
a decent set now you've given me the idea. I did have a friend recommend
me to get some Bahco ones but I'd already sort of ended up with Stilsons
as my default plumbing tool as they were the best thing I had. The
adjustable spanners I've had before have been utter pants and the comedy
bicycle-spanner style compression nut spanner is a nonsense.

zym...@technologist.com

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Apr 29, 2009, 4:43:15 PM4/29/09
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On Apr 29, 3:55 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <gt98si$jh...@aioe.org>,

>    Scott M <no_one@no_where.net> wrote:
>
> > I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've
> > always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of
> > sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are
> > imperial/Whitworth ones.
>
> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
> jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality
> adjustable is better.

I find stillsons awkward on 15mm fittings, and spanners not very
useful.

I usually hold the centre of the fitting (T piece or elbow) with an F
pattern adjustable,

http://www.alloy-artifacts.com/Photos/tools/barnes_adj_5in_wrench_bicycle_f_cropped_inset.jpg

it's good for clearance where a 'normal' adjustable won't go.

Cheers,

Paul.

Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:58:34 PM4/29/09
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In article <gtajo0$s3o$1...@aioe.org>,

Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc and
get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so don't
fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than an
adjustable.

--
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Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:53:17 PM4/29/09
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In article <gtaamo$5rb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month.

If only.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 29, 2009, 6:51:50 PM4/29/09
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In article <1iyy2uf.o0zz6agwyobiN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
> > jaws for dripping

> Invented by a northerner? They have jaws for dripping as well.

;-)

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newshound

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <gt98si$jh5$1...@aioe.org>,
> Scott M <no_one@no_where.net> wrote:
>> I always end up with Stilsons when plumbing - usually two pairs. I've
>> always wanted some 'proper' spanners and keep meaning to make a list of
>> sizes to take to a car boot - I suspect a lot of the sizes required are
>> imperial/Whitworth ones.
>
> Trouble is Stilsons usually mark the fitting which annoys me - they have
> jaws for dripping round things so have to cut in. A good quality
> adjustable is better.
>

Or a "water pump" spanner, narrower jaws than most adjustables so they fit
OK on the central hexagon, but still have the Stillson "self-locking"
property provided you have them the right way round.

RubberBiker

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Apr 29, 2009, 5:52:05 AM4/29/09
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I bought two of these:

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/38428/Hand-Tools/Spanners-Wrenches/Wrenches/Bahco-Ergo-Wide-Jaw-Adjustable-Wrench-8

Having messed about with other tools, these are the biz for firmly
tightening compression fittings (even in awkward locations) without
tearing the corners off the fittings.

Opens to about 42mm IIRC.

TheScullster

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Apr 30, 2009, 7:03:22 AM4/30/09
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"Doctor Drivel" wrote

>>
>> I find pipe grips invaluable. They will adjust and grab many hexagonal
>> shapes, radiator valve bodies etc. Plus they have narrow(ish) jaws so
>> will fit where stilsons won't.
>
> And chew up fittings!

I agree you need to be selective where you (can) use them.
For seized solid old fittings smothered in boss white they're a non-starter
and will do damage. But for assembling new stuff and used carefully they're
fine.

Phil


PeterCB

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Apr 30, 2009, 10:07:03 AM4/30/09
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On 29 Apr, 14:50, "Doctor Drivel" <killef...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> One of these which is brill as it locks - Stanley lockable adjustable smooth
> jaws. About £20, but seen one for £10 at a tool stall once:
> <http://www.stanleytools.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=WRENCHES+HT&TYPE=PRO...>

12 quid including post on ebay: 370168644443


Scott M

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Apr 30, 2009, 1:42:24 PM4/30/09
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc and
> get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so don't
> fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than an
> adjustable.

That is my plan. I've got a few largish imperial spanners that sometimes
come in handy for plumbing but I've never sat down and worked out
exactly what I should be looking for. It only occurs to me when I'm
stood in field and see a nice big box of old tools :-(

Dave Plowman (News)

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Apr 30, 2009, 2:04:55 PM4/30/09
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In article <gtcnu8$ikt$1...@aioe.org>,

Scott M <no_one@no_where.net> wrote:
> > Other way is to spend some time at car boot ales or autojumbles etc
> > and get some old BSF/Whitworth spanners. They're not much in demand so
> > don't fetch much. A fixed correct sized spanner is always better than
> > an adjustable.

> That is my plan. I've got a few largish imperial spanners that sometimes
> come in handy for plumbing but I've never sat down and worked out
> exactly what I should be looking for. It only occurs to me when I'm
> stood in field and see a nice big box of old tools :-(

If you check the site I gave earlier you can convert the actual across
flats measurement into what BSF etc spanners are marked as. So you know
what to look out for.

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Scott M

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Apr 30, 2009, 3:38:59 PM4/30/09
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> If you check the site I gave earlier you can convert the actual across
> flats measurement into what BSF etc spanners are marked as. So you know
> what to look out for.

Oh, ta. I'd missed that post.

Doctor Drivel

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"TheScullster" <ph...@dropthespam.com> wrote in message
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Once again!!! They chew up fittings! Only use on pipes!!!!! What they are
designed for.

Doctor Drivel

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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <gtaamo$5rb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Doctor Drivel <kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> My wide-jaws rusted after 1 month.
>
> If

Eff off as you are a total plantpot.

Invisible Man

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May 1, 2009, 3:08:36 AM5/1/09
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Got into a very difficult bit of the loft yesterday to fit a reducing T
for a new shower supply. Discovered I had not got my usual spanners with
me. Managed fine with mole wrench and adjustable pliers/pipe wrench. Was
in a low pressure situation though and with ptfe tape on the threads.

Stephen

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May 1, 2009, 4:36:55 PM5/1/09
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:05:37 +0100, Frank Erskine
<frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the
>correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size.

I did wonder that when I measured 28.5mm but then I thought if the
pipe is metric, surely the fittings will be too; I was forgetting that
15 and 22 mm pipe are essentially 1/2 and 3/4 inch pipe.

Stephen

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:53:19 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>This chart might help you guess what it is :-
>
>http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~psc/spanner_jaw.html

Thank you very much. Very useful.

Stephen

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May 1, 2009, 4:39:50 PM5/1/09
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:16:00 GMT, "The Medway Handyman"
<davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>I'd have called those water pump pliers.

That's what I call them too (rightly or wrongly). The pliers I have
now are useless; whenever I try to grip anything, the jaws slip open
to their widest setting. I guess it's time to buy a better make.

Stephen

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:19:37 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimly...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:

>Varies from maker to maker.

I'm surprised by this, since the pipes they fit are standard sizes, I
assumed the fittings would be standard sizes too.

If someone made a fitting bigger than necessary/other makes, it would
cost them more, so I can't see any manufacturer doing that. If a
fitting required a different spanner to most other fittings, surely
people would not buy the unusual sized fitting because of that
inconvenience?

That said, the nuts on my Horstmann 2-port valves seem to be one
millimetre bigger than those on any other 22mm fitting in my house.
The truly awful Monument spanner[*] that is supposed to fit 15mm and
22mm fittings at either end, will not fit the nuts on the valve.

BTW, what's all this about Stilsons being used on pipes. How do you/
why would you grip a pipe? Surely you want to grip the fitting?

Thanks,
Stephen.

[*] Screwfix code 82712, I find it too thin

meow...@care2.com

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May 1, 2009, 5:47:39 PM5/1/09
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Stephen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What size spanners do you need for 22mm straight compression fittings?
> The nuts are 32mm but what about the flange on the middle of the body?
> I measured it with a vernier calliper and I think it was 28.5mm, which
> seems an awkward size. Rounding that up to 29mm, I could not find any
> 29mm spanners anywhere. Would a 30mm spanner be too big or do you
> "cheat" and use adjustable ones?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen

Thats 1 & 1/8th inch, and ISTR thats a whitworth size.


NT

Dave Osborne

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May 1, 2009, 5:47:24 PM5/1/09
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Stephen wrote:

>
> BTW, what's all this about Stilsons being used on pipes. How do you/
> why would you grip a pipe? Surely you want to grip the fitting?

If you're screwing a malleable iron fitting on a steel pipe you will
most certainly need to grip the pipe.

HTH

YAPH

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Yup, Bahco's the biz

--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk

My other sigs are posh

Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <68nmv4p3j57hj4cqh...@4ax.com>,

Stephen <inv...@invalid.org> wrote:
> >Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the
> >correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size.

> I did wonder that when I measured 28.5mm but then I thought if the
> pipe is metric, surely the fittings will be too; I was forgetting that
> 15 and 22 mm pipe are essentially 1/2 and 3/4 inch pipe.

15mm and 1/2" are quite close: 22mm and 3/4" ain't. But it's the threads
on compression fittings which are BSP - only the bore and olive sizes were
altered for metric tube.

--
*I used up all my sick days so I called in dead

Steve Firth

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May 1, 2009, 6:37:54 PM5/1/09
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RubberBiker <d...@gglz.com> wrote:

They're good, but these:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/coxrcc

Are my favourites from the Bahco range of adjustable spanners. They're
slimmer than most adjustables and the alligator jaw feature is a built
in pipe wrench which comes in handy often.

Steve Firth

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May 1, 2009, 6:37:55 PM5/1/09
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Stephen <inv...@invalid.org> wrote:

> BTW, what's all this about Stilsons being used on pipes. How do you/
> why would you grip a pipe? Surely you want to grip the fitting?

Pipe wrenches are used for threaded galvanised pipes. These are still
used in many areas. I've just installed an outside water supply which
used galvanised pipe.

Frank Erskine

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May 2, 2009, 3:30:43 AM5/2/09
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 14:47:39 -0700 (PDT), meow...@care2.com had this
to say:

ISTR that the _original_ size for BSW spanners was 1�D + 1/8" (where D
is of course the bolt diameter), and that this was reduced a bit
during WW2 to economise on metal.

--
Frank Erskine

Grimly Curmudgeon

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May 2, 2009, 8:15:15 AM5/2/09
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Stephen <inv...@invalid.org>
saying something like:

>>Varies from maker to maker.
>
>I'm surprised by this, since the pipes they fit are standard sizes, I
>assumed the fittings would be standard sizes too.

Hah! It's plumbing we're talking about here. We should count ourselves
lucky that most compression nuts are a fairly standard size (note I said
'fairly', not consistently), so the centre hex portion of a joint is
whatever the maker wants it to be.

Dave

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <68nmv4p3j57hj4cqh...@4ax.com>,
> Stephen <inv...@invalid.org> wrote:
>>> Don't forget that compression fittings are BSP sized, therefore the
>>> correct spanners will (or should be) imperial size.
>
>> I did wonder that when I measured 28.5mm but then I thought if the
>> pipe is metric, surely the fittings will be too; I was forgetting that
>> 15 and 22 mm pipe are essentially 1/2 and 3/4 inch pipe.
>
> 15mm and 1/2" are quite close:

Half inch is near enough to 12.5 mm. 2 1/2 mm smaller than 15 mm

22mm and 3/4" ain't.

3/4 inch is near enough to 19 mm. 3 mm smaller.

Dave

Dave

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1 & 1/8th works out to 28.6 mm, which looks about right for the OP.
About 20 years ago I bought some spanners with obscure sizes and only
now am I understanding why they were made. One of them was 29 mm, but I
can't remember the others and it is dark and cold where they are stored :-)

Dave

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Dave Plowman (News)

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In article <oKKdnaTAGO_wKmHU...@bt.com>,

Dave <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> > 15mm and 1/2" are quite close:

> Half inch is near enough to 12.5 mm. 2 1/2 mm smaller than 15 mm

> > 22mm and 3/4" ain't.

> 3/4 inch is near enough to 19 mm. 3 mm smaller.

Metric sizes are the outside diameter of the tube whereas imperial is the
bore. And the wall thickness of imperial tube is usually greater than
metric. In other words few could identify 15mm against 1/2" without
measuring it - but you can between 22mm and 3/4"

--
*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

Dave

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m...@privacy.net wrote:
> On 2 May,
> Dave <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Half inch is near enough to 12.5 mm. 2 1/2 mm smaller than 15 mm
>>
>> 22mm and 3/4" ain't.
>>
>> 3/4 inch is near enough to 19 mm. 3 mm smaller.
>
> Metric size is OD imperial is ID Difference is approx 2X wall thickness.

Ah! didn't realise you were talking pipe sizes, I thought the subject
was spanner jaw size.

Dave

The Medway Handyman

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May 4, 2009, 9:30:49 AM5/4/09
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I bought a set in Aldi (possibly Lidl) a couple of years ago. Stiltson
wrench, set of water pump ish pliers designed to do up compression wastes -
really useful and a pair of water pump pliers. The latter had one jaw going
through the other rather that laying on top - IYSWIM.

Anywho, never slips, best I've ever used & whole set cheap as chips.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk


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