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Fred

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Jun 21, 2012, 7:51:50 AM6/21/12
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Hi,

I generally follow the advice to throw away what ever screws and plugs
come with furniture/fittings and use my own. I have found some cheap
wall plugs to be useless. I have found the rawl plugs to be ok for my
needs:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-plastic-plugs-red-6mm-pack-100/35984

I guess the only time they haven't been suitable is for use in a
plasterboard stud wall. In the past I used Fischer universal plugs for
that:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-high-performance-universal-plugs-ux6-4-5mm-pack-of-100/22190

but they seem very expensive compared to the new rawlplug uno. I know
the uno has been recommended here (TMH et al). Is there any difference
between the uno and the fischer universal, other than the price?

http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-uno-plugs-red-3-5-5mm-pack-of-96/89492

TIA

Tim Watts

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Jun 21, 2012, 8:07:57 AM6/21/12
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The Fischer is superior (generally true of most of their products).

However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not flop
in the hole like the toggles).

At some point, you will exceed the strength of the PB with the better
fixings anyway - at which point I tend to try and adapt the thing being
fixed to line up with the studwork and screw into that.


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Tim Watts

The Medway Handyman

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Jun 21, 2012, 12:38:05 PM6/21/12
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On 21/06/2012 13:07, Tim Watts wrote:
> Fred wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I generally follow the advice to throw away what ever screws and plugs
>> come with furniture/fittings and use my own. I have found some cheap
>> wall plugs to be useless. I have found the rawl plugs to be ok for my
>> needs:
>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-plastic-plugs-red-6mm-pack-100/35984
>>
>> I guess the only time they haven't been suitable is for use in a
>> plasterboard stud wall. In the past I used Fischer universal plugs for
>> that:
>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-high-performance-universal-plugs-
> ux6-4-5mm-pack-of-100/22190
>>
>> but they seem very expensive compared to the new rawlplug uno. I know
>> the uno has been recommended here (TMH et al). Is there any difference
>> between the uno and the fischer universal, other than the price?
>>
>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-uno-plugs-red-3-5-5mm-pack-of-96/89492
>>
>> TIA
>
> The Fischer is superior (generally true of most of their products).

I can't see that, I reckon the UNO's are better myself.
>
> However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
> will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
> fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not flop
> in the hole like the toggles).

Can't abide toggles, if you remove the screw the toggle falls down
inside the cavity.
>
> At some point, you will exceed the strength of the PB with the better
> fixings anyway - at which point I tend to try and adapt the thing being
> fixed to line up with the studwork and screw into that.
>
>


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Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Mike Barnes

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Jun 21, 2012, 1:16:40 PM6/21/12
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The Medway Handyman <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>On 21/06/2012 13:07, Tim Watts wrote:
>>
>> However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
>> will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
>> fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not flop
>> in the hole like the toggles).
>
>Can't abide toggles, if you remove the screw the toggle falls down
>inside the cavity.

AAMOI what do people recommend for screwing into a thin door panel (to
support a robe hook)?

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Mike Barnes

Tim Watts

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Jun 21, 2012, 1:24:19 PM6/21/12
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The Medway Handyman wrote:

> On 21/06/2012 13:07, Tim Watts wrote:
>> Fred wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I generally follow the advice to throw away what ever screws and plugs
>>> come with furniture/fittings and use my own. I have found some cheap
>>> wall plugs to be useless. I have found the rawl plugs to be ok for my
>>> needs:
>>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-plastic-plugs-red-6mm-pack-100/35984
>>>
>>> I guess the only time they haven't been suitable is for use in a
>>> plasterboard stud wall. In the past I used Fischer universal plugs for
>>> that:
>>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-high-performance-universal-plugs-
>> ux6-4-5mm-pack-of-100/22190
>>>
>>> but they seem very expensive compared to the new rawlplug uno. I know
>>> the uno has been recommended here (TMH et al). Is there any difference
>>> between the uno and the fischer universal, other than the price?
>>>
>>> http://www.screwfix.com/p/rawlplug-uno-plugs-red-3-5-5mm-pack-
of-96/89492
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>> The Fischer is superior (generally true of most of their products).
>
> I can't see that, I reckon the UNO's are better myself.

I've used both - Unos are fine unless you have a difficult substrate, which
is when I find the Fischers beat everything hands down.

>>
>> However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
>> will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
>> fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not
>> flop in the hole like the toggles).
>
> Can't abide toggles, if you remove the screw the toggle falls down
> inside the cavity.

Yep - that's why I tend to use hollow wall anchors

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/d90/sd1930

Good tight fit and removable. Main disadvantage is the bolt is necessarily
quite long!

>>
>> At some point, you will exceed the strength of the PB with the better
>> fixings anyway - at which point I tend to try and adapt the thing being
>> fixed to line up with the studwork and screw into that.
>>
>>
>
>
--
Tim Watts

Tim Watts

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Jun 21, 2012, 1:22:37 PM6/21/12
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http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/d90/sd1930

Hollow wall anchors - these are available in short form for exactly your
purpose.

Toggles also work, subject to all the disadvantages (sloppy fit, drop off if
removed).
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Tim Watts

Mike Barnes

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Jun 21, 2012, 1:30:22 PM6/21/12
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Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>:
>Mike Barnes wrote:
>
>> AAMOI what do people recommend for screwing into a thin door panel (to
>> support a robe hook)?
>>
>
>http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/d90/sd1930
>
>Hollow wall anchors - these are available in short form for exactly your
>purpose.

Thanks, but it looks to me as if you don't get a flush fit, is that
right? Also do I need to buy a setting tool?

--
Mike Barnes

Tim Watts

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Jun 21, 2012, 1:58:40 PM6/21/12
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Mike Barnes wrote:

> Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>:
>>Mike Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> AAMOI what do people recommend for screwing into a thin door panel (to
>>> support a robe hook)?
>>>
>>
>>http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/d90/sd1930
>>
>>Hollow wall anchors - these are available in short form for exactly your
>>purpose.
>
> Thanks, but it looks to me as if you don't get a flush fit,

No - it is proud by the thickness of the metal - about 0.25mm

> is that
> right? Also do I need to buy a setting tool?

No - drill hole, tap in (or push hard with thumb into plasterboard), insert
bolt and do up tight.


>
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Tim Watts

stuart noble

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:06:56 PM6/21/12
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These maybe?

> http://www.plasplugs.com/acatalog/Hollow_door_fixings.html

The Medway Handyman

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:11:31 PM6/21/12
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Rawlplug Uno works a treat.

Mike Barnes

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:26:23 PM6/21/12
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stuart noble <stuart...@ntlworld.com>:
Those look promising, thanks. Expensive, though, especially as I only
need two.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:24:52 PM6/21/12
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The Medway Handyman <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>On 21/06/2012 18:16, Mike Barnes wrote:
>> The Medway Handyman<davi...@blueyonder.co.uk>:
>>> On 21/06/2012 13:07, Tim Watts wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
>>>> will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
>>>> fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not flop
>>>> in the hole like the toggles).
>>>
>>> Can't abide toggles, if you remove the screw the toggle falls down
>>> inside the cavity.
>>
>> AAMOI what do people recommend for screwing into a thin door panel (to
>> support a robe hook)?
>>
>Rawlplug Uno works a treat.

I tried that. I couldn't stop the plug rotating in the hole. (Red plug
in a 6 mm hole, tapped home with a hammer.)

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Mike Barnes

Dave Liquorice

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:18:58 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:30:22 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

> Thanks, but it looks to me as if you don't get a flush fit, is that
> right?

On plaster board they will sink enough into the surface of the board
for that not to be a problem.

> Also do I need to buy a setting tool?

You don't *need* one as in you can't use them without a setting tool
but it does a quicker and better job at setting them.

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Cheers
Dave.



Dave Liquorice

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:16:21 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:24:19 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

> http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/d90/sd1930
>
> Good tight fit and removable.

Hollow wall anchors removeable?

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Cheers
Dave.



Mike Barnes

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:30:19 PM6/21/12
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Mike Barnes <mikeba...@gmail.com>:
... but I see eBay has them cheaper, and alternative brands.

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Mike Barnes

stuart noble

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:35:54 PM6/21/12
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ISTR not having enough depth for the fixing in a hollow door.

Tim Watts

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Jun 21, 2012, 2:59:26 PM6/21/12
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The bolt - without the anchor disappearing into e-space :)
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Tim Watts

Dave Liquorice

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Jun 21, 2012, 4:54:06 PM6/21/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:59:26 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

>>> Good tight fit and removable.
>>
>> Hollow wall anchors removeable?
>
> The bolt - without the anchor disappearing into e-space :)

Ah! Not quite what I was thinking, the whole fixing being removeable.
The only way I found of "removing" them is to push them through the
plaster board and do a toggle in the cavity.

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Cheers
Dave.



Fred

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Jun 23, 2012, 3:34:25 PM6/23/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:07:57 +0100, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:

>The Fischer is superior (generally true of most of their products).

Thanks for the clarification. I only need one or two, so I might pick
up a small pack of unos to see for myself.

>However, it depends what you are expecting to fix. if it's light, the Uno
>will be fine. If it is heavier, I would use the Fischer, or a proper PB
>fixing like a toggle or an expanding-cage "nut" type (latter doesn not flop
>in the hole like the toggles).

To try and reply to several posts at once:

I'm probably going to spell this wrong, but for small loads, I often
use "redidrivers". I know the regulars will know what I am talking
about but for the benefit of any newcomers, I think redidriver is a
brand and copies are available. I'm not sure what brand these are but
here is an example:

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/Self+Drill+Plasterboard+Screw+Zinc/d90/sd1930/p55036
I always use the ones with metal sockets. I read a post on this group
a long time ago, where someone gave a good reason to use the plastic
ones for a particular application but I can't remember what it was
now.

For anything stronger in plasterboard I use hollow wall anchors.

I have used this one to hold a hook in a hollow door before:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Screws+Fixings/Cavity+Fixings/Hollow+Wall+Anchor+4+x+32/d90/sd1930/p36548

It is the smallest one I have found. It has been on our bathroom door
for six years or more and holds four or five dressing gowns on the one
hook (including the heavier winter ones).

The only possible downside of the hollow wall anchors is that although
the bolt is removable, the anchor bit isn't. I have never needed to
remove one fortunately.

>At some point, you will exceed the strength of the PB with the better
>fixings anyway - at which point I tend to try and adapt the thing being
>fixed to line up with the studwork and screw into that.

I agree. Great if you know where the studs are. I have never had any
luck with stud detectors. When I wanted to mount my TV to the wall, I
dismantled the wall to fit noggins.

Fred

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Jun 23, 2012, 3:35:10 PM6/23/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:06:56 +0100, stuart noble
<stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> http://www.plasplugs.com/acatalog/Hollow_door_fixings.html

I had never seen those before. I wonder if they are any different/any
better than the Fischer universal and rawlplug unos?

Fred

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Jun 23, 2012, 3:36:43 PM6/23/12
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:24:19 +0100, Tim Watts <tw+u...@dionic.net>
wrote:

>Good tight fit and removable. Main disadvantage is the bolt is necessarily
>quite long!

Once you have collapsed the anchor by pulling or turning the bolt,
couldn't you then use a shorter bolt or cut the bolt to a shorter size
if this was important?

stuart noble

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Jun 24, 2012, 3:25:07 AM6/24/12
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I only used them because the cavity wasn't deep enough for the bolts on
the fixings I had to hand. They worked really well and held up a towel
rail on a very thin partition wall in an ensuite
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