Wallpaper confusion
F
description has got me beat:
'[the wallpaper] comes in 52cm x 10m rolls. It has a pattern repeat of
61cm and a half drop'.
What do they mean by '61cm and a half drop'?
The single wall onto which the wallpaper is destined is 3.3m wide by
2.3m high. Experience says 4 drops per roll so two rolls should do it.
Does the repeat description alter this?
TIA
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er...@blueyonder.co.uk
I would read it as an idiots way of saying 61.5cm.
But then anything is possible from that description. :))
Phil L
I think it means the pattern repeats at 61, so the lengths need be cut at
least 30.5 longer than a full length (from floor to ceiling)
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Stephen Mawson
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Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the pattern is
staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two edges of the paper? So in
your calculation you need to allow an extra half pattern repeat in every
alternate drop.
Stephen
F
> Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the pattern is
> staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two edges of the paper? So in
> your calculation you need to allow an extra half pattern repeat in every
> alternate drop.
That was my suspicion but I can also read it as described by Eric and Phil.
It's for my daughter and the supplier only has two rolls. If it was for
me I'd start papering in the middle of the wall, work outwards in each
direction and, if it runs out, finish with some plain colour (probably
white!). But it's not for me...
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Dave Liquorice
>> What do they mean by '61cm and a half drop'?
>
> Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the pattern is
> staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two edges of the paper?
Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple way to
minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate rolls.
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Harry Bloomfield
I would guess at it repeats every 61cm and that that the match point
moves down by half of that (30.5cm) for each length.
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Roger Mills
Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the first, third,
fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and 8 from Roll 2.
That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern repeats, and you waste
very little.
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er...@blueyonder.co.uk
<watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0000, Stephen Mawson wrote:
>>
>>>> What do they mean by '61cm and a half drop'?
>>>
>>> Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the
>>> pattern is staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two edges
>>> of the paper?
>>
>> Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple way to
>> minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate rolls.
>
>Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the first, third,
>fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and 8 from Roll 2.
>That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern repeats, and you waste
>very little.
People!
This seems like a major DIY tip to me.
Can it go in the wiki??
Roger Mills
It's not rocket science! I've been doing it since Adam was a lad, and
assumed it was common practice!
er...@blueyonder.co.uk
<watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple way
>>>> to minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate rolls.
>>>
>>> Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the first,
>>> third, fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and 8
>>> from Roll 2. That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern
>>> repeats, and you waste very little.
>>
>> People!
>>
>> This seems like a major DIY tip to me.
>>
>> Can it go in the wiki??
>
>It's not rocket science! I've been doing it since Adam was a lad, and
>assumed it was common practice!
Never heard of it. It is one of those tricks that everybody who knows
just assumes everybody knows.
Very useful for a beginner to have explained.
The Medway Handyman
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> er...@blueyonder.co.uk <er...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:39:31 -0000, "Roger Mills"
>> <watt....@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>>> Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0000, Stephen Mawson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> What do they mean by '61cm and a half drop'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the
>>>>> pattern is staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two
>>>>> edges of the paper?
>>>>
>>>> Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple way
>>>> to minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate
>>>> rolls.
>>>
>>> Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the first,
>>> third, fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and 8
>>> from Roll 2. That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern
>>> repeats, and you waste very little.
>>
>> People!
>>
>> This seems like a major DIY tip to me.
>>
>> Can it go in the wiki??
>
> It's not rocket science! I've been doing it since Adam was a lad, and
> assumed it was common practice!
No mate, AFAIC it is rocket science :-) Get it on the Wiki.
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The Medway Handyman
> I've been hanging wallpaper for years
Sorry to highjack your thread, but I've just papered an alcove in the spare
room.
I've always found that wallpaper unrolled 'pattern up' IYSWIM. In other
words if you unroll it facing you, the pattern is the right way up.
The paper SWMBO chose seems to work the other way. So instead of placing
the paper on the paste table & unrolling it to length, then cutting, pasting
& folding - you have to unroll, cut to length, then reverse.
Is that common nowadays?
F
> I've always found that wallpaper unrolled 'pattern up' IYSWIM. In other
> words if you unroll it facing you, the pattern is the right way up.
If you unroll it with the pattern facing away from you then it's still
the right way up, just needs rotating around a vertical axis.
The free end of the roll goes to the top of the wall.
> The paper SWMBO chose seems to work the other way. So instead of placing
> the paper on the paste table & unrolling it to length, then cutting, pasting
> & folding - you have to unroll, cut to length, then reverse.
Or have I misunderstood you? Are you saying that when you look at the
roll, you can't see the pattern until you have unrolled it and then
turned it over? The pattern is facing the inside of the roll rather than
the outside?
> Is that common nowadays?
If I got it right second time then, no, I've never come across any like
that. Has management bought it from an 'outlet' that has had to repack
the wallpaper?
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F
Chris J Dixon
>In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:05:23 -0000, Stephen Mawson wrote:
>>
>>>> What do they mean by '61cm and a half drop'?
>>>
>>> Does it not mean that the pattern repeat is 61cm but that the
>>> pattern is staggered by half a pattern repeat between the two edges
>>> of the paper?
>>
>> Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple way to
>> minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate rolls.
>
>Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the first, third,
>fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and 8 from Roll 2.
>That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern repeats, and you waste
>very little.
This is absolutely correct for the particular drop and pattern
repeat the OP mentioned, and clearly worth more widespread
knowledge, but in the general condition, the numbers could just
as easily work out so that this ploy was not necessary.
I guess this is the time for the mathematicians to produce a
formula into which we can input drop, repeat, straight/
staggered, and it will tell us whether to cut from one roll or
two at a time.
Chris
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The Medway Handyman
> On 12/11/2009 00:06 The Medway Handyman wrote:
>
>> I've always found that wallpaper unrolled 'pattern up' IYSWIM. In
>> other words if you unroll it facing you, the pattern is the right
>> way up.
>
> If you unroll it with the pattern facing away from you then it's still
> the right way up, just needs rotating around a vertical axis.
>
> The free end of the roll goes to the top of the wall.
Sorry, I knew I hadn't explained that very well. In this case the free end
had to go to the bottom of the wall, the cut end to the top.
Chris J Dixon
Is this a case where the pattern orientation is indicated
somehow, or simply you feel it looks better that way? I guess
some objects should clearly be a particular way up, lots of
others are more abstract.
F
> In this case the free end
> had to go to the bottom of the wall, the cut end to the top.
Never come across that. Are you sure it's the right way up? No clues in
the pattern?
Having said that, in the early days, I once set about papering a stair
well with the longest drop first. Somewhere between paste table and
wall, probably as I balanced on the bannister, I managed to transpose
bottom and top.
Management wouldn't accept upside down flowers.
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My dad papered my nan's lounge and it looked really nice until some
smart alec asked why the flowers were upsde down...
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Owain
> Having said that, in the early days, I once set about papering a stair
> well with the longest drop first. Somewhere between paste table and
> wall, probably as I balanced on the bannister, I managed to transpose
> bottom and top.
> Management wouldn't accept upside down flowers.
<chortles>
Previous occupants of my previous flat had made their own border by
slicing strips of wallpaper, so I had sideways flowers round the
cornice.
Owain
Roger Mills
>
> This is absolutely correct for the particular drop and pattern
> repeat the OP mentioned, and clearly worth more widespread
> knowledge, but in the general condition, the numbers could just
> as easily work out so that this ploy was not necessary.
>
Yes, I agree. If the height of the wall is N + 1/2 patterns, then - as you
say - you keep using the same roll rather than alternating when the pattern
match is staggered.
Dave Liquorice
>>>> Yep. A drop pattern can get a bit mind blowing. But the simple
way
>>>> to minimise wastage is to cut alternate pieces from alternate
rolls.
>>>
>>> Absolutely right! You have both rolls on the go, cutting the
first,
>>> third, fifth and seventh drops from Roll 1 and drops 2, 4, 6 and
8
>>> from Roll 2. That way, each drop is an integral number of pattern
>>> repeats, and you waste very little.
>>
>> This seems like a major DIY tip to me.
>>
>> Can it go in the wiki??
It's not there already? Is there not a section on wall papering?
Can't say I've looked mind. The bit I can never remember is which way
to overlap into a window reveal, one way shows they other doesn't.
> It's not rocket science! I've been doing it since Adam was a lad, and
> assumed it was common practice!
It is common practice but it's not obvious. It's only when you hang a
wall paper with a drop pattern and you end up with lots of bits 1/2
drop long trimmed off that you start to think "there must be a better
way"
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Dave Liquorice
> I guess this is the time for the mathematicians to produce a formula
> into which we can input drop, repeat, straight/staggered, and it will
> tell us whether to cut from one roll or two at a time.
I think the key numbers are drop, repeat, fall (piece length) and
desired trim amount.
I feel that there is relation ship between the repeat and fall that
is modified by the drop to indicate if two (or more) rolls need to be
used for consecutive each piece. It may well be that a large repeat,
in relation to the fall, with zero drop could also save paper by
using two (or more) rolls simultaneously.
I expected to find such a calculator on the web but I can't quickly,
and even more curiously many "how to hang wallpaper" pages don't
mention this alternate roll trick but they they also tend to ignore
wallpapers with drops...
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The Medway Handyman
Strangely enough this was also flowers! With the free end at the top, the
flowers were upside down. SWMBO was asked to attend site & make a decision
and we both agreed the flowers should go up.
Peter Twydell
<news@nowhere.?.invalid> writes
Does that brick pattern wallpaper still exist? Having watched my dad
hang some at home (right way up) I made a point of looking at the
orientation every time I saw some. It wasn't unusual for it to be upside
down, i.e. the shadows in the pointing were at the top of each brick.
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F
> SWMBO was asked to attend site & make a decision
> and we both agreed the flowers should go up.
Try claiming drought? Over watering?
No? Didn't work for me either.
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F
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Chris J Dixon
>Does that brick pattern wallpaper still exist? Having watched my dad
>hang some at home (right way up) I made a point of looking at the
>orientation every time I saw some. It wasn't unusual for it to be upside
>down, i.e. the shadows in the pointing were at the top of each brick.
In the same way that, once you have interpreted the veining
pattern, on the one-time ubiquitous Crystal tiles, as a bird
flexing its wings, you spot at a glance how the orientation has
been planned (or not).