Toyota Auris, no spare wheel
Jonathan Campbell
When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.
I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.
I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
for the pump and gunge was removed.
Best regards,
Jon C.
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Tim Downie
> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>
> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>
> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which
> I've always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle
> of gunge.
Same with my car (7 seater VW Touran)
> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
I let you know when I have a puncture. ;-)
> The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been
> said, and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in
> maybe 20 years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to
> temporarily remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing
> tyres well before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.
Like you, I've had the odd slow puncture but the pump has always got me to a
tyre depot.
I worried at first when I got my car but I rationalised that carrying that
amount of weight around all the time just doesn't make sense in this day and
age. It's a bit like carrying an umbrella *every* day, just in case it
rains. Of course, the inconvenience of a puncture is far greater than just
getting wet but I think not having a spare encourages one to keep a closer
eye on tyre wear and encourages earlier replacement (which is good for
safety if not for the planet).
Tim
Stephen Howard
The only times I've had to change a wheel due to a puncture it's been
because of the severity of the puncture - either a tear in the
sidewall or a significant puncture ( such as when the power steering
pump fell apart on a Peugeot and I ran over the shaft! ). I wouldn't
drive on such tyres even after they'd been filled with foam.
Any other puncture I've had has been of the slow variety - fixable at
leisure.
If I were that worried about the cost of carrying the weight of a
spare around I think I'd rather have one, and opt for never filling
the fuel tank over half full.
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NT
wrote:
is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
NT
Adrian
saying:
> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
It's as much a legal requirement now as it ever was. It's also just as
MOT-testable now as it ever was.
Dave Smethurst
Not having a spare is no problem as long as (a) you have a can of gunge for
"normal" punctures, or (b) you're a member of a breakdown service for those
times when the sidewall gets sliced or other big problems. We had a Smart
car for 4 years (they don't have a spare) and now I've got a car that's been
converted to run on LPG so there's a 70-litre toroidal gas tank sitting in
the spare wheel well instead of the spare wheel.
Jonathan Campbell
Not specifically mentioned here (Northern Ireland, which, oddly, has a
different MOT regime):
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/VehicleTesting/whentotest.asp#CarsandMotorcycles
Guy Dawson
> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
I don't think it's ever been a legal requirement. It's not now:
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q602.htm
My understanding is that if you carry a spare it must be legal. ie have
enough tread depth etc.
Guy
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Dave Plowman (News)
> It's as much a legal requirement now as it ever was. It's also just as
> MOT-testable now as it ever was.
It's only testable if it's there. Not a fail not having one.
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Jonathan Campbell
> NT wrote:
>
>> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
>
> I don't think it's ever been a legal requirement. It's not now:
>
> https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q602.htm
>
Yes, I think I remember there being advice (at least man-in-the-pub
advice) to remove bald-tyred spares before an MOT.
Bob Eager
> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
Was it ever?
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split two tyres completely..
Adrian
much like they were saying:
>>> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
>> It's as much a legal requirement now as it ever was. It's also just as
>> MOT-testable now as it ever was.
> Not specifically mentioned here (Northern Ireland, which, oddly, has a
> different MOT regime):
Don't worry - it's the same with the MOT over here, too.
Adrian
they were saying:
> My understanding is that if you carry a spare it must be legal. ie have
> enough tread depth etc.
Nope. You can have as many bald old tyres in your boot as you wish.
'course, if ever you have to USE the spare, it's gotta be legal the
second it hits the road...
Adrian
much like they were saying:
>> It's as much a legal requirement now as it ever was. It's also just as
>> MOT-testable now as it ever was.
> It's only testable if it's there.
Even if you've got a boot full of old bald tyres, it's not testable.
john
"Stephen Howard" <sees...@email.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:26:19 +0100, Jonathan Campbell
> <jg.camp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>>
>>It's an eye opener !
I would not like a flat tyre on a bank holiday monday in the lakes late at
night on the way home. The same applies to run flats as to tube of gunge.
Have a flat late at night and you will have a problem driving home if its a
long distance. Also run flats are not much cop if the side wall splits.At
least with a spare, even a space saver, which are no good for long distances
either or speed you can usually continue your journey.
ARWadsworth
You could fill the spare with Helium :-)
Adam
ARWadsworth
"Tim Downie" <timdow...@obvious.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Spare tyres seem to encourage some people to keep 20% of their tyres
illegal.
"Stick the bald one in the boot, it'll do in an emergency" seems a common
saying.
The spare on my van is brand new as is the spare spare I keep in the shed
(the spare spare is there so that if I get a puncture I can put a working
spare back on the van when I get home at night and drop the punctured tyre
off somewhere for repair and not waste time waiting)
Adam
Adam
Andy Champ
>
> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
>
Last flat I had was on a rental van. I picked it up - an hour late
because the local scrotes had let the tyres down. Apparently. 50 miles
later on the motorway strange noise from the back so I pulled over.
Tyre in three parts - tread and two walls. That's an hour from a
"professional repair", and well beyond anything you could do with a pump
and canister.
Andy
Andy Burns
> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
> always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
My Honda Accord has the same, might be OK if you pick up a nail and get
a slow puncture, but didn't help me a jot when I had a puncture on the
M1, where by the time you've pulled gently over to the hard shoulder all
you've got left is a smoking shell of a tyre no amount of gunge will
help - the car's warranty did include recovery to the nearest garage
with a suitable tyre in stock.
Andy Burns
> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
Don't think it ever has been (however of you do carry a spare it has to
be in legal condition).
dennis@home
"NT" <meow...@care2.com> wrote in message
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> is a spare not a legal requirement any more?
It never has been AFAIK
>
>
> NT
Invisible Man
..but unless you have a kinetic energy recovery system you will still
waste brakes stopping it and fuel and wear & tear getting it moving
again ;-))
Franko
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I bought my Ford Focus new in 06.
It was supplied with a spacesaver wheel but I had the option of a proper
spare for an extra �30 which I gladly paid.
Franko.
Bob Eager
I bought an S-Max in 2006, and it had no spare (and nowhere to put one).
It did include the pump and sealing kit. My wife just got a new Fusion,
and the spare wheel compartment has a circular piece of faom in it, with
cutouts for...the pump and sealing kit!
Andrew Gabriel
It would go flat very quickly - damn small those molecules, and
they leak out of just about everything!
A friend had this idea of taking a parcel into the post office to
be weighed for postage, but having it filled with helium, so when
the lady says please put it on the scales, it floats up to the
ceiling.
I then considered the idea of making bubble-wrap filled with
helium to make lighter parcels.
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Gordon Henderson
Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <tAvrm.79155$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> "ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> You could fill the spare with Helium :-)
>
>It would go flat very quickly - damn small those molecules, and
>they leak out of just about everything!
>
>A friend had this idea of taking a parcel into the post office to
>be weighed for postage, but having it filled with helium, so when
>the lady says please put it on the scales, it floats up to the
>ceiling.
>
>I then considered the idea of making bubble-wrap filled with
>helium to make lighter parcels.
Not terribly effective though - I've tried it... You need a litre of
helium to lift about 1 gram and in small qualitities the weight of the
envelope will have to be catered for )-: Hydrogen is marignally better
- a litre lifts about 1.1 grams, but not many people like the idea of
bagged hydrogen..
Gordon
george (dicegeorge)
better than hydrogen would be to use
antimatter iron,
you could probably buy some off of ebay.
[g]
Graham Evans
jg.camp...@gmail.com says...
> I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
> kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
> with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.
>
Had a puncture which I tried to repair using this "gunk". The hole was
made by a small nail on the top of the tyre which left hardly a mark.
End result the gunk was blown out of the hole by the compressor and the
tyre was still flat. Had to call the RAC who made a temporary repair to
get me to a local tyre fitter (on holiday in Devon).
Because I had used this crap the tyre could not be repaired which would
have been about 15 quid, instead I had to buy a new tyre, in fact two
because I needed to match them. So a 15 quid repair cost me in the end
230 quid! The car is a new Mazda 6 by the way :)
airsmoothed
As pointed out in the link above, a spare tyre does NOT have to be
legal :-
"Tyres fitted to the road wheels only. The vehicle presenter should
be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a
spare wheel."
Andy Burns
Oh well, another one to chalk up as urban legend then.
Jules
>>> "Tyres fitted to the road wheels only. The vehicle presenter should
>>> be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a
>>> spare wheel."
>>
>> Oh well, another one to chalk up as urban legend then.
>
> decades, also. And I was told it by an MOT tester... God, the number
> of times I took out spare wheels for MOTs, in the days when I had no
> money and ran ratty old bangers.
Interesting... me too. I thought I'd remembering seeing it in the highway
code, too ("if you have a spare it needs to be legal, but it's not a legal
requirement to carry one")
And now I'm in a part of the world where they don't even *have* MOTs...
cheers
Jules
Nick
"Jonathan Campbell" <jg.camp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>
> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>
> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
> always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
>
> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
>
> The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
> and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
> years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
> remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well before
> they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.
>
> kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
> with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.
>
> the pump and gunge was removed.
>
The only disappointment with our Auris was the lack of spare wheel.
Equipped with a bottle of gunge but no pump.
1st weekend of ownership went to a local breakers, tried various 5 stud
Toyota rims and found an unused steel 15inch
rim of perfect fit. Same rolling dia. as the supplied 17" alloys with low
profile tyres.
Rim cost a tenner. New tyre �55 fitted.
Security - priceless.
When the car is out of warranty I will replace the alloys with 15" and
higher profile tyres.
Better ride, less road noise and tyres not so readily wrecked by b*strd
traffic calming.
HTH
Nick.
Rod
<>
>
> Interesting... me too. I thought I'd remembering seeing it in the highway
> code, too ("if you have a spare it needs to be legal, but it's not a legal
> requirement to carry one")
<>
>
what would you do with the one you just took off due to a puncture?
--
Rod
Andy Champ
>
> When the car is out of warranty I will replace the alloys with 15" and
> higher profile tyres.
Look after your alloys, polish them well, and you should be able to get
a few quid from some chav who thinks they look cool.
BTW 15 inch tyres are beginning to be hard to get - at least in wide
sections.
Andy
airsmoothed
> decades, also. And I was told it by an MOT tester... God, the number
> of times I took out spare wheels for MOTs, in the days when I had no
> money and ran ratty old bangers.
>
> "I saw Lon Cheney walking with the Queen."
> http://hyperangry.blogspot.com/
> [email me, if you must, at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
LOL, same here, must've done my back no end of good lifting spare
wheels out for no good reason. :-/
airsmoothed
> "Jonathan Campbell" <jg.campbell...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Make sure you tell your insurance company as they MAY regard it as a
'modification'
Many tyre fitters won't touch a wheel /tyre that's had the 'gunk'
sprayed in it, as it makes it very time consuming to fit a new tyre.
Mark
>
> Many tyre fitters won't touch a wheel /tyre that's had the 'gunk'
> sprayed in it, as it makes it very time consuming to fit a new tyre.
yet more urban legend�
i fit and repair my own tyres everything from a bicycle to tractors, the gunk
makes absolutely no difference in getting a tyre off, or fitting a new one or
even repairing a puncher�just makes the job slightly more messy, but hardly
time consuming.
Dave Plowman (News)
Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> BTW 15 inch tyres are beginning to be hard to get - at least in wide
> sections.
Oh dear. Both my cars use them - 205 and 225.
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Adrian
much like they were saying:
>> BTW 15 inch tyres are beginning to be hard to get - at least in wide
>> sections.
> Oh dear. Both my cars use them - 205 and 225.
It's true, though. Options are thinning, and prices rising. And don't
even ASK about 14" - the 195/70 14s on many later CXs (those not
inflicted with 390mm TRXs) are damn near unavailable.
Dave Plowman (News)
Yes - 14" have been a problem for some time.
It's sad Colway are no more - they were always good for decent quality
older sizes.
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Jules
There is that. My assumption was that they'd accept an explanation of it
having just been changed due to a problem - but then that does raise the
question of how anyone would ever get in trouble over it...
Rod
licence. Decided the only problem that could ever exist would be an
almost usable spare.
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Andy Champ
> poor choice of tyres - there were none at all in the correct speed ratings.
>
That was my first guess for Dave's car. 225s are MR2 rears and TVR
fronts, so the guy at the tyre dealer says. And nothing else.
Andy
Dave Plowman (News)
16" would be relatively easy on the '225' car, as they were an option so
could be bought secondhand. The only option on the '205' one was 14". ;-)
> Andy
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timoth...@gmail.com
> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>
> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>
> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
> always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
>
> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
>
> The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
> and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
> years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
> remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
> before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.
>
> I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
> kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
> with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.
>
> I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
> for the pump and gunge was removed.
>
Toby
> On Monday, 14 September 2009 14:26:19 UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
>> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>>
>> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
>> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.
>
> I was forced on to a kerb. The tyre blew up and was shredded, needed a new tyre. 200 miles from home on a Saturday. AA useless. After 4 hours got a local mobile tyre supplier. Absolutely no way would I ever go without at least a space saver again
>
Oh, you posted from Google Groups..... as you were.....
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Nick
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aerosol of gunge instead.
Toyota cannot/will not supply a space saver spare even though there is ample
space in the well in the boot.
Have not yet been able to find anything compatible.
All rather worrying.
You might try the Auris forum at Toyota Owners Club. Last time I looked they
were pretty much stumped.
Apparently the omission of spare wheels by manufacturers is a weight
reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.
Nick.
Bob Eager
actually a storage space...I wonder how many people actually fix down
this potential 'missile'...
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as standard. No suggestion of pump and gunge.
Chris K
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Most tyre shops won't do a permanent repair and you have to buy a new tyre.
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Syke
I had this problem when I bought my C-3 Picasso last year. I really
didn't fancy the gunk/compresser set-up at all. I tried one of the road
wheels for size and found it fitted into the false floor space, with
room for the jack and wheel brace etc. I bought a steel rim from Citroen
spares and a tyre locally. Total was about �120 against about �65 for a
spacesaver, but I thought the difference was worth it. I retained the
compresser mainly because I discovered recently that many, if not all,
filling stations were charging for air!
Regards
Syke
Dave Liquorice
> reducing factor. This to massage statistics.
> My feeling is that this is positively dangerous and should be banned.
or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway? That's assuming
they have half a clue about how to change a wheel and to do the
nuts/bolts up properly...
But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.
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Adrian
> Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
> just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?
hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?
('course, nobody but an utter fucknugget would do any of those anyway -
anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
to do either)
> But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
> just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.
pikey-spec modern stuff.
Andy Burns
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:33:20 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>
>> Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
>> just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?
>
> Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
> hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?
>
> ('course, nobody but an utter fucknugget would do any of those anyway -
> anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
> to do either)
trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
hand gesture?
>> But I agree a can of gunk and pump are not satisfactory, space savers
>> just about but I'd rather have full sized spare.
occasional slow puncture, but the gunge is absolutely useless when
you've only got smoking ruins of a tyre left.
I will never buy a car without a spare of some type again, current car
has a space saver which I've used a couple of times, and I've bought a
cheapo compressor to sling in the boot.
Adrian
>>> Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill
>>> or just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?
>> Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or
>> an hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?
>>
>> ('course, nobody but an utter fucknugget would do any of those anyway -
>> anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe
>> place to do either)
> Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
> trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
> hand gesture?
it's a LOT more fun than sitting stationary in L3 waiting for some
photocopier salesman with brain in neutral to not notice you.
Gazz
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>
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:33:20 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
>>
>>> Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a hill or
>>> just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?
>>
>> Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
>> hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?
>>
>> ('course, nobody but an utter fucknugget would do any of those anyway -
>> anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
>> to do either)
>
> Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
> trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
> hand gesture?
meow...@care2.com
> Having had a front tyre disintegrate while in lane3, it isn't much fun
> trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
> hand gesture?
NT
Dave Liquorice
>> Less dangerous than some twonk changing a tyre on the brow of a
hill or
>> just round a bend or even lane 3 of a motorway?
>
> Is it safer for them to spend ten minutes there, changing a wheel, or an
> hour and a half there, waiting for the recovery wagon?
>
> ('course, nobody but an utter fucknugget would do any of those anyway -
> anybody with a quarter of a firing brain cell would limp to a safe place
> to do either)
didn't want to go another 50 yards as it would damage the tyre. The
chances are the tyre is already fucked, either due to the pucture or
simply by the driving on it just stopping after a sudden deflation.
They'll probably be the same fucknuggets who stop on brows of hills
or just round corners to answer/make a phone call.
> Look at the sheer size of the wheels and tyres available on most non-
> pikey-spec modern stuff.
size spare is on a bracket on the rear door. B-)
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Dave Liquorice
> trying to get over to the hard shoulder in a hurry, is there an approved
> hand gesture?
Just gotta hope that those in your immediate vicinty are vaguely
awake, not fucknuggets and get out of your way. People only a hundred
yards or so behind ought to see the explosion and have time to slow
down/brake/avoid without too much bother.
> I will never buy a car without a spare of some type again, current car
> has a space saver which I've used a couple of times, and I've bought a
> cheapo compressor to sling in the boot.
punctures in I'm not sure how many years as the first was so long ago
I'd almost forgotten about it. The last was this year, sharp bit of
road stone, worked it's way into the tread and a very slow puncture
became rather quicker few weeks. Was in the repairable area though.
B-)
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Dave.
Andy Burns
> Just gotta hope that those in your immediate vicinty are vaguely
> awake, not fucknuggets and get out of your way. People only a hundred
> yards or so behind ought to see the explosion and have time to slow
> down/brake/avoid without too much bother.
and 2 who wouldn't see the off-side front anyway - with indicating and
hooting they got the point - or maybe they could lipread?
> Seem you have a lot of trouble with tyres. I've had just two
> punctures in I'm not sure how many years
nail magnet, had four repairable punctures in the first year of owning
it, thankfully only one more in the subsequent 2+ years.
Vir Campestris
First I knew was a bang. I was in lane 1, and pulled over straight away.
I'm glad I didn't brake hard, because the tread had separated from the
walls...
And then I couldn't find the locking wheel nut key.
Andy
Tim Lamb
Campestris <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> writes
--
Tim Lamb
Vir Campestris
> In message <R86dnSYTZ6BRsTrO...@brightview.co.uk>, Vir
> Campestris <vir.cam...@invalid.invalid> writes
>>
>
> Did you look in the ash tray?
>
- and they didn't know.
The AA man found it though - somewhere up front, I forget where, but it
took him 15 seconds :(
Then the van rental company tried to charge me for the tyre.
And the AA man - who incidentally spotted nails in the _other_ rear tyre...
I ended up getting the rental for free, at the cost of about 3 hours out
of my day.
Andy
ditch...@googlemail.com
> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>
> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>
> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
> always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
>
> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
>
> The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
> and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
> years --- an electric pump or foot pump always being able to temporarily
> remedy punctures due to nails or thorns. Plus, renewing tyres well
> before they are beyond the 1.6-mm legal limit.
>
> I'd guess the gunge would be ineffective for a puncture caused by severe
> kerbing or hitting a large stone? And you wouldn't want to ruin a tyre
> with it if just a small relatively slow puncture.
>
> I suppose I could buy a spare; there is space for one if the container
> for the pump and gunge was removed.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jon C.
>
> --
> Jonathan Campbell www.jgcampbell.com BT48, UK.
I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that tyres still puncture.
The Natural Philosopher
> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.
They call the AA etc.
Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
whatever.
--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.
Al Capone
The Natural Philosopher
> On 22/04/16 12:19, ditch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>> tyres still puncture..
>
> The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
> a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.
>
> They call the AA etc.
>
> Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
> whatever.
>
>
>
https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/tyre-damage/punctures/
where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
dangerous by and large etc etc...
--
Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend.
"Saki"
Dan S. MacAbre
> On 22/04/16 12:19, ditch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>> tyres still puncture..
>
> The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
> a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.
with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
is generally found in the average wheel change kit.
Mark Allread
NB: I notice that the OP was responding to a very old thread.
>
> Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
> with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
> sensible level.
than just guessing.
The Natural Philosopher
> Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
> with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
> sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
> days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
> is generally found in the average wheel change kit.
thingie. Or a roick you can bash it with
I've manually fitted stuff to 100+lb ft using nothing more than a 3 ft
bar. Same goes for wheelnuts. Impact drivers still have to be held in
someone's hand. There's a limit to the torque.
Of course many people don't understand just how tight wheel nuts need to
be...
--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
..I'd spend it on drink.
Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)
Dan S. MacAbre
tightened almost as hard as I can, on the assumption that the
manufacturer has supplied something adequate for the job :-)
With grease.
tim...
> On Monday, September 14, 2009 at 2:26:19 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell
> wrote:
>> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
>>
>> When taking delivery, I demanded a lesson on how to change a wheel, or
>> more correctly, where was the spare, jack, lock-nut key etc.
>>
>> Surprise. No spare. Just an electric pump (which is good and which I've
>> always carried anyway, even in a car with a spare) and a bottle of gunge.
>>
>> Any comments on the effectiveness of this solution?
>>
>> The lack of a spare has caused me some worry; but that having been said,
>> and rapidly touching wood, I haven't had to change a wheel in maybe 20
>> years
I've had to do it 3 times in the last 5
tim
tim...
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:nfd1pl$tnr$2...@news.albasani.net...
>> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>> tyres still puncture..
>
> The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with a
> puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a wheel.
>
> They call the AA etc.
>
> Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place,
> or fit one on the spot or whatever.
tim
Graham.
http://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/change-a-flat-tyre.html
which is good advice, consistent with today's litigious culture.
It fails to mention that if you squirt the "gunk" that's provided
instead of a spare into the tyre, most tyre places wont repair the
puncture.
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Dan S. MacAbre
> On 22/04/16 12:34, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
>> Whenever I have a tyre changed, I usually slacken the nuts off a bit
>> with a breaker bar, and retighten them to what I think is a more
>> sensible level. Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
>> days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
>> is generally found in the average wheel change kit.
>
> Depends. Usually there is some bit of tube you can fit over the wheelnut
> thingie. Or a roick you can bash it with
expect she'd just call the AA anyway. But if she is, for some reason,
unable to call them, at least she'll have some chance.
tim...
"Mark Allread" <m...@desktop.com> wrote in message
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>
> NB: I notice that the OP was responding to a very old thread.
tim
The Natural Philosopher
> tim
>
>
>
--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.
Groucho Marx
tim...
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
"don't fit it at the side of the road"
on two of the three occasions I have had a flat it was so slow that I didn't
notice it until I tried to use the car the next day.
In both cases it was in a (different) hotel car park and quite unreasonable
for anyone to say it was unsafe to change a wheel in that location,
especially as justification for not supplying a spare in the first place
tim
Peter Johnson
wrote:
>On Monday, September 14, 2009 at 2:26:19 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Campbell wrote:
>> I recently bought a s-h. Toyota Auris.
alan_m
> Some of the fitters seem to get carried away, these
> days; and I bet that most people couldn't undo their tyre nuts with what
> is generally found in the average wheel change kit.
>
torqued the nuts using a manual torque wrench
I've always supplemented the tool kit for my car with an telescopic
wheel socket
<http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Automotive/d60/Automotive+Wrenches/sd3332/Telescopic+Wheel+Wrench/p93520>
http://tinyurl.com/glwnyze
In 10 years I've had 2 punctures where I've had to fit a space saving
spare wheel. Both times the puncture has been subsequently successfully
repaired.
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Tricky Dicky
Richard
NY
news:83e426eb-ccaa-4784...@googlegroups.com...
> hit a pothole. The 'gunge' was absolutely useless, as the tyre was badly
> damaged. It can and does happen. The reasdon I am on this site is that I
> am looking for a 'get you home' wheel.
>
> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar wheel
> in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that tyres still
> puncture.
it's plain steel rather than alloy.
The sort that you used to get on all cars until a couple of decades ago,
which allowed to to complete your journey and then take the punctured tyre
to be mended at a convenient time.
Nowadays if you *do* get a puncture, it's a "drop everything, change your
plans" emergency because you have to get to a tyre repair place within 50
miles, and wait until they can manage to repair or replace your tyre - and
hope that if they need to replace it, it's one that they keep in stock,
otherwise you have to arrange overnight accommodation and hang around until
it's been delivered.
I think virtually every time I've had a puncture it's been discovered late
at night on a Sunday as I've been about to make a 250 mile journey back
home - not a good time to find a garage open :-(
Temporary spare tyres ought to be banned and manufacturers ought to be
compelled by law to find a way of fitting a full-size spare with no speed or
distance limits.
NY
>>>
>>> Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place,
>>
>> how does that work ay 10pm?
>>
>>> or fit one on the spot or whatever.
>>
>> where do they get the spare from?
>>
> Dunno, My guess is they have depots
actually release the spare wheel from its housing (*), then which would you
prefer - to be able to change your own wheel and continue your journey after
a few minutes, or wait an hour or so for the AA to arrive, maybe half an
hour to arrive at the tyre repair depot, several hours for the tyre to be
delivered there from a depot, and *then* a few minutes for the wheel to be
changed?
Changing a wheel should ideally be a trivial inconvenience that delays you
maybe 15 mins max, not a major disaster than delays you by many hours.
Manufacturers tend to put design of car before convenience for the driver.
(*) I had a car with the space wheel slung in a wire basket below the floor
of the boot. The bolt that releases that cage had a head that had a very
wide flat indentation, like an oversized flat-blade screw, into which you
fitted the flattened end of the wheelbrace, rather than a proper hexagonal
nut the same size as the wheel nuts. The bolt was seized up and the
wheelbrace couldn't get a proper purchase on the screw head, so I had to
call out the RAC - simply to undo the bolt that released the wheel. Once
he'd done that it was plain sailing. Mind you, it took him a *long* time to
manage to get the bolt to turn because he too couldn't get any purchase on
the bolt. He was on the point of getting an angle grinder out to grind out a
couple of flats so he could turn it with a mole grip or an adjustable
spanner. We both cursed the parentage of the designers at Peugeot :-)
Bill
<m...@privacy.net> writes
>even if it's plain steel rather than alloy.
vehicle. Because of this stupid fashion for thin tyres, they differ from
the rest of the wheels on the car, but have been declared OK.
What seem to have come in in the meantime are these idiotic aluminium
nut covers that come with one flimsy plastic "puller" in the boot to get
at the real wheel nut.
I am told they are purely decorative and I can take them all off.
--
Bill
Clive George
> Temporary spare tyres ought to be banned and manufacturers ought to be
> compelled by law to find a way of fitting a full-size spare with no
> speed or distance limits.
space it takes in the boot - but if you want that reliability, you need
to take that trade-off.
Wheels are enormous these days - the reduction in luggage capacity from
carrying a full size spare is significant, especially in a small car.
Or you could make sure that when you buy a car, it either has what you
need or you include in the budget and capacity calculations the DIY option.
Davidm
puncture that the tyre shop would repair. It's aways too near the
edge, nail gone in at the wrong angle, or just backing the car out of
the garage has "damaged" the tyre wall. "Sorry sir, it'll have to be a
new tyre, can't repair that one"!
The Other John
> https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/tyre-damage/punctures/
>
>
> where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
> dangerous by and large etc etc...
wheel but no jack or wheel brace, so I'd have to call a garage or the AA
to change it. Might just as well have saved the weight and luggage space.
--
TOJ.
Roland Perry
2016, tim... <tims_n...@yahoo.com> remarked:
>>
>> where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
>>dangerous by and large etc etc...
>
>actually they say
>
>"don't fit it at the side of the road"
--
Roland Perry
Roland Perry
Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Davidm <davidm_...@hotmail.com> remarked:
>I think it must be 20 years or more since either the mrs or me had a
>puncture that the tyre shop would repair. It's aways too near the
>edge, nail gone in at the wrong angle, or just backing the car out of
>the garage has "damaged" the tyre wall. "Sorry sir, it'll have to be a
>new tyre, can't repair that one"!
It was actually in for the tyre to be fitted the other way round as it
was apparently one of those with a specific rotation direction and been
incorrectly fitted by whoever a previous owner used as a tyre emporium.
Anyway, they said it had a slow puncture too.
--
Roland Perry
Steve Walker
> news:83e426eb-ccaa-4784...@googlegroups.com...
>> I have just come home from having a puncture in the tyre of my Auris.
>> I hit a pothole. The 'gunge' was absolutely useless, as the tyre was
>> badly damaged. It can and does happen. The reasdon I am on this site
>> is that I am looking for a 'get you home' wheel.
>>
>> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>> tyres still puncture.
>
> What I look from in a spare wheel is one which is fully functional, even
> if it's plain steel rather than alloy.
> Temporary spare tyres ought to be banned and manufacturers ought to be
> compelled by law to find a way of fitting a full-size spare with no
> speed or distance limits.
big difference. We have a Focus mk2, which we bought 2nd hand. It had a
full sized spare, but we asked the dealer to swap it for the spacesaver
from another Focus that we were looking at there. The reason was that
the wider full sized spare needed a foam insert on the boot floor under
the carpet to give a level floor and that 2-1/2" to 3" was enough that
our double trolley would not fit properly in the boot.
Even now, years later, losing that much boot space would be the
difference between getting a big shop (for 5 of us) in the boot or the
kids having to have bags on their knees - unless I took out the stuff
that I've got nowhere else to store and want in the car anyway.
Steve Walker
the tyre by the simplest method and that rules out repairs to the
sidewalls or the shoulders of the tyre. A proper place, that can do a
vulcanised repair, can do repairs in these areas.
Dave Plowman (News)
--
*I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe*
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
The Natural Philosopher
--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."
Billy Connolly
Sam Plusnet
m...@privacy.net says...
> Temporary spare tyres ought to be banned and manufacturers ought to be
> compelled by law to find a way of fitting a full-size spare with no speed or
> distance limits.
>
>
waste of space if you ever tow.
There are so many things on a modern car which are not user repairable -
especially by the roadside - that including tyres in that category
doesn't seem like a big jump (as far as the manufacturers are
concerned).
Reducing the weight of the car by supplying a space-saver, or no spare
at all, means better performance figures.
3899jk
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> On 22/04/16 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 22/04/16 12:19, ditch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>>
>> The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
>> a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a
>> wheel.
>>
>>
>> whatever.
>>
>>
>>
> e.g.
> https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/tyre-damage/punctures/
>
>
> where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
> dangerous by and large etc etc...
Rod Speed
"Graham." <alt.f7-...@yopmail.com> wrote in message
news:u74khblns2osf83de...@4ax.com...
> <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 22/04/16 12:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 22/04/16 12:19, ditch...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>> I really don't understand the comment regarding not carrying a sapar
>>>> wheel in this day and age. I am living testament to the fact that
>>>> tyres still puncture..
>>>
>>> The rationale is - as I discovered on pulling over to help a woman with
>>> a puncture - that very few people actually are capable of changing a
>>> wheel.
>>>
>>> They call the AA etc.
>>>
>>> Who will truck the car to a tyre repair place, or fit one on the spot or
>>> whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>e.g.
>>
>>https://tyres.theaa.com/tyre-advice/tyre-damage/punctures/
>>
>>
>>where they recommend you don't fit a spare wheel at all, as its too
>>dangerous by and large etc etc...
>
> Not really, it links to this
> http://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/change-a-flat-tyre.html
> which is good advice,
But they don't make a distinction between a flat on
the traffic side of the car and a flat on the non traffic
side of the car where it is perfectly safe to change a tyre.
> consistent with today's litigious culture.
> It fails to mention that if you squirt the "gunk"
> that's provided instead of a spare into the tyre,
> most tyre places wont repair the puncture.
Rod Speed
"NY" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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those who want a car with spare that is identical to the wheels in use
on the car to choose a car that does it like that. My Hyundai Getz does.