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andrew
Dec 22, 2011, 4:07:35 PM12/22/11
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I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is tripping
its circuit soon after starting.
It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
oil burner ignition circuit but what chances a circulation pump would fail
with an earth leak?
Any other suggestions as to what to check, he's some 50 miles away so not
easy to advise from a distance.
The local rayburn/aga agents charge loads of dosh and tend only to replace
whole assemblies.
AJH
its circuit soon after starting.
It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
oil burner ignition circuit but what chances a circulation pump would fail
with an earth leak?
Any other suggestions as to what to check, he's some 50 miles away so not
easy to advise from a distance.
The local rayburn/aga agents charge loads of dosh and tend only to replace
whole assemblies.
AJH
The Natural Philosopher
Dec 22, 2011, 4:22:51 PM12/22/11
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andrew wrote:
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is tripping
> its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
> oil burner ignition circuit but what chances a circulation pump would fail
> with an earth leak?
>
very high.
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is tripping
> its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
> oil burner ignition circuit but what chances a circulation pump would fail
> with an earth leak?
>
> Any other suggestions as to what to check, he's some 50 miles away so not
> easy to advise from a distance.
>
> The local rayburn/aga agents charge loads of dosh and tend only to replace
> whole assemblies.
>
I had a motor on the washing machine do this: stripped it down to bare
parts and all I could tell was somewhere in the armature was a 3k short
to the armature metal. No reason, no other symptoms. Just did it.
Find out where in the cyckle it does it..
on my system thermostat moves motorised valve - takes a second - then
valve starts pump - then delay another second, boiler fan fires up - two
seconds more then ignition cuts in. few more seconds and boiler should
go WUMPH
work out how far it gets.
Id hazard a bust motor in the valve, the pump or the boiler fan as
equally probably to the igniter.
isolating the lot and pissing with a resistance meter is a way to go.
> AJH
Jim K
Dec 22, 2011, 4:25:16 PM12/22/11
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On Dec 22, 9:07 pm, andrew <n...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk> wrote:
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is tripping
> its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
> oil burner ignition circuit
but once it's going that's all done with (til next ignition cycle)?
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is tripping
> its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in the
> oil burner ignition circuit
besides the oil lift/pressure pump, some/most oil burners (e.g Riello)
have a motorised "air shutter door" that moves during ignition/lit
process.
spose "how soon after starting/trying to start?" is the question? e.g.
does it get to the "woof" and start burning? if so for how long b4
tripping?
cheers
Jim K
Dave Liquorice
Dec 22, 2011, 4:39:26 PM12/22/11
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:07:35 +0000, andrew wrote:
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is
> tripping its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in
> the oil burner ignition circuit ...
> I've just had a call from an old colleague, his central heating is
> tripping its circuit soon after starting.
>
> It's a 10 year old rayburn range and a pump. My guess it's something in
"Rayburn" and "range" give me the impression that it's "an always on"
device, you light a wick with a match and there is a drip feed to the
burner. Rather than a pressure jet system boiler with spark ignition,
blown air supply and and oil pump. What is the actual type of burner?
> but what chances a circulation pump would fail with an earth leak?
--
Cheers
Dave.
Dave Liquorice
Dec 22, 2011, 6:09:41 PM12/22/11
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:25:16 -0800 (PST), Jim K wrote:
> spose "how soon after starting/trying to start?" is the question? e.g.
> does it get to the "woof" and start burning? if so for how long b4
> tripping?
And, if pressure jet, are we talking about the MCB or RCD tripping or
> spose "how soon after starting/trying to start?" is the question? e.g.
> does it get to the "woof" and start burning? if so for how long b4
> tripping?
the burner going into lock out? Much more information needed from
the OP.
--
Cheers
Dave.
The Natural Philosopher
Dec 22, 2011, 7:28:37 PM12/22/11
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modulation in there somewhere so its ONLY the pump or a motorised
valve..that can be doing it.
Oh.. the heatranger SEEM to be conventional boilers too..it camn be
'turned on and off' In fact is a thwacking great central heating boiler
wit a stove attached.
http://www.chaseheating.co.uk/rayburn_heatranger_480k_pj_oil_fired_range_cooker.asp
Interesting indeed!
harry
Dec 23, 2011, 5:28:14 AM12/23/11
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On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, "Dave Liquorice"
Could never see the point of such things. They don't do any thing
well.
well.
andrew
Dec 23, 2011, 3:01:39 PM12/23/11
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In the meanwhile he has found a local firm that were supposed to have a look
this afternoon, I'll get back when I know more.
AJH
gri...@gmail.com
Dec 24, 2011, 10:38:59 AM12/24/11
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:28:37 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>If it IS a range its purely a wick and gravity device with probably oil
>modulation in there somewhere so its ONLY the pump or a motorised
>valve..that can be doing it.
Not so. Plenty of Raeburns have a pressure-jet conversion on them.
<t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>If it IS a range its purely a wick and gravity device with probably oil
>modulation in there somewhere so its ONLY the pump or a motorised
>valve..that can be doing it.
Hateful things, too. A total bugger to work on, requiring the
dexterity of a chimp on speed and the elastic limbs of Rubber Man.
andrew
Dec 24, 2011, 5:00:04 PM12/24/11
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andrew wrote:
>
> In the meanwhile he has found a local firm that were supposed to have a
> look this afternoon, I'll get back when I know more.
It was the circulation pump, which has now been taken out of circuit and at
>
> In the meanwhile he has found a local firm that were supposed to have a
> look this afternoon, I'll get back when I know more.
least the kitchen is being heated, I warned him to watch out for
overheating the water.
AJH
bake...@gmail.com
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