Joining the ends of two pieces of OSB
David WE Roberts
I will have '3 and a bit' pieces of 16" board 2.4m long as the front of the
roof is 8.1m long.
I plan to join (glue) the boards together along an offset to provide a
stronger joint and also to mask the join if possible.
However I now have to work out the angle of the join.
45 degrees seems a bit extreme with a lot of wastage, although obviously I
do have some scope as I have about 1.4m over on the run.
[Just went out and checked with my trusty square and ruler and the wastage
is about 40.5mm so I could do this for 3 joins and still have a small margin
for error.]
Any advice?
Also, any alternatives to epoxy resin for doing the join?
Cheers
Dave R
P.S.
Wood will not be going up today because there isn't enough time to fully
treat the reverse then fix, glue, and seal.
Thunderstorms predicted for tomorrow 06:00.
Therefore I will be tacking up some black plastic sheeting as fascia,
windows and doors tonight to make the front reasonably weather tight.
Tim Watts
> Ignoring a lot of good advice I've gone for OSB fascia boarding.
>
> I will have '3 and a bit' pieces of 16" board 2.4m long as the front of
> the roof is 8.1m long.
>
> I plan to join (glue) the boards together along an offset to provide a
> stronger joint and also to mask the join if possible.
> However I now have to work out the angle of the join.
>
> 45 degrees seems a bit extreme with a lot of wastage, although obviously
> I do have some scope as I have about 1.4m over on the run.
> [Just went out and checked with my trusty square and ruler and the
> wastage is about 40.5mm so I could do this for 3 joins and still have a
> small margin for error.]
>
> Any advice?
>
> Also, any alternatives to epoxy resin for doing the join?
Yes - PU (polyurethane) glue (eg Everbuild, Gorilla). Can you not get a
batten behind to support the join and use screws?
--
Tim Watts
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Andrew Mawson
"David WE Roberts" <davidwe...@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
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Presumably you are using OSB3 or it won't be waterproof. I have a
feeling one side (the ribbed side) will be rather oily and not glue
friendly. If I were doing this I think I'd experiment routing a groove
in the end for standard beech biscuit joints and use a waterproof pva
as the adhesive.
AWEM
David WE Roberts
"Tim Watts" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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I was planning to do that as well but wanted a glue joint to give added
strength and hopefully keep the water out.
Still puzzling over the angle of the join.
David WE Roberts
"David WE Roberts" <davidwe...@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
Oh, and that was 405mm not 40.5 mm. Doh!
Tim Watts
Vertical. If you can support it from behind - you can use a (say) 4"
wide bit of OSB overlapping the joint, glue with PU or epoxy (not PVA -
OSB is too rough IMO). 6 small screws tp help while the glue is setting
(PU expands a little) The joint is inherently string and waterproof. Run
a line of silicon down the exposed cut outside if you wish, for a better
paint finish.
As it is screwed to the rafters (I assume), there is no need for fancy
joints here. Simple butt will be OK.
David WE Roberts
O.K. Tim, thanks.
Sounds good and also saves some wood.
I had this memory that it was best to join two runs of wood at an angle to
get a better bond because there was more surface area in contact but 16" is
probably good :-)
I was also thinking that water would penetrate more easily down a vertical
joint but I think if it is glued properly this should be O.K.
Probably better to have the joints mid way between two joists to allow the
wood to conform to the slight but elegant curve in the front wall.
Ah!
Penny has just dropped.
You mean glue the faces of the 4" piece and the OSB in front to provide a
fully glued overlap of the joint, and don't rely on the ends to hold it
together (I think).
A shame that I have just painted the backs of the boards with bitumastic
paint to preserve them in the event of water ingress.
That is likely to impede a clean wood<->wood bond, I think :-(
I may be O.K. if I make sure that each joint is on a rafter although 2" is
not very wide.
Alternatively, just screw wood to the back of the OSB at the joint and glue
the ends - some of the OSB will be above roof level and some will be below
the wall plate so I won't be able to support the whole of the back anyway.
The front is going to be a mini version of the old 'Wild West' false
fronts - the fascia board finishing slightly above the front of the roof
line and a few inches below the bottom of the wall plate.
Cheers
Dave R
dennis@home
"David WE Roberts" <davidwe...@spamtrap.invalid> wrote in message
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> I was planning to do that as well but wanted a glue joint to give added
> strength and hopefully keep the water out.
>
> Still puzzling over the angle of the join.
I would just do it vertically and I would route the edges to give either
tongue and grove or a simple lap joint.
Tim Watts
That's true - but for an edge join it will have no effect.
> I was also thinking that water would penetrate more easily down a
> vertical joint but I think if it is glued properly this should be O.K.
>
> Probably better to have the joints mid way between two joists to allow
> the wood to conform to the slight but elegant curve in the front wall.
> Ah!
> Penny has just dropped.
> You mean glue the faces of the 4" piece and the OSB in front to provide
> a fully glued overlap of the joint, and don't rely on the ends to hold
> it together (I think).
Exactly. The stuff doesn't require a structural joint overall as both
bits are nails to the rafters.
However if you want to join the ends for presentation purposes, you'll
be wasting your time reying to glue the edge. Thermal
expansion/contraction will break it. And overlapped joint will keep the
faces in line though.
> A shame that I have just painted the backs of the boards with bitumastic
> paint to preserve them in the event of water ingress.
In that case, forget the glue and screw or bolt the support on. It will
be perfectly strong enough for the purpose.
> That is likely to impede a clean wood<->wood bond, I think :-(
>
Yes - don't bother.
> I may be O.K. if I make sure that each joint is on a rafter although 2"
> is not very wide.
Then your rafter is exposed to any water ingress through the join.
Better to have the joing mid span.
> Alternatively, just screw wood to the back of the OSB at the joint and
> glue the ends - some of the OSB will be above roof level and some will
> be below the wall plate so I won't be able to support the whole of the
> back anyway.
> The front is going to be a mini version of the old 'Wild West' false
> fronts - the fascia board finishing slightly above the front of the roof
> line and a few inches below the bottom of the wall plate.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
NT
Use bits of 2mm metal strap and screw them on to the back. I'd stay
away from biscuits and profiled ends, they'll only make the most
vulnerable bit of the osb even more vulnerable, both in terms of water
ingress & expansion, and biscuiting will only result in very weak ends
of OSB.
Unless youre in a bungalow, no-ones going to go anywhre close to this,
making a furniture standard finish irrelevant.
NT
David WE Roberts
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Now backtracking even further and considering using plastic H section to
cover the joints with flexible sealant between the boards, and possibly
plastic U section to protect the top.
After all, it is only a f***ing shed!
As long as the joints are symetrical it shouldn't look too bad.
Cheers
Dave R
Tim Watts
>
> Now backtracking even further and considering using plastic H section to
> cover the joints with flexible sealant between the boards, and possibly
> plastic U section to protect the top.
I think that is a very sound idea.
> After all, it is only a f***ing shed!
No it isn't. It's the Mother of all sheds.
> As long as the joints are symetrical it shouldn't look too bad.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave R
David WE Roberts
> On 06/06/10 12:16, David WE Roberts wrote:
>>
>
>> Now backtracking even further and considering using plastic H section to
>> cover the joints with flexible sealant between the boards, and possibly
>> plastic U section to protect the top.
>
> I think that is a very sound idea.
>
Any idea where to get the channel?
I've drawn a blank at Screwfix, and the first on line place wanted a bulk
order.
It would be nice to find a supplier in the Ipswich area :-)
Cheers
Dave R
The Medway Handyman
After all this cutting, painting, working out how to join etc - wouldn't it
have been easier in uPVC?
--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
Tim Watts
Try for either aluminium H section (or 2 U sections glued back to back
with epoxy - that will be strong being metal-metal.).
Or fascias.com - have a look for the same joining strip used for soffit
board which is probably similar in thickness to your OSB - that will of
course be plastic.
Or drive around until you spot a uPVC fascias job in operation and nick
his offcuts :)