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Stephen
Jan 5, 2014, 5:55:04 PM1/5/14
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Hi All,
The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing myself.
We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
We were given two quotes, supply only as I can get my own kitchen fitter
and a supply and fit quote using homebase supplied permanent/contractors.
Digging around the net it appears that Schreiber and Homebase have an
exclusivity agreement... i.e. Shreiber supply only to Homebase and only
Homebase sell Shreiber kitchens along with hygena etc.
Now we have never used homebase before for a big project, and we have
never had a Shreiber kitchen before.
So we have several questions:
What are Homebase like with kitchen projects?
What are Shreiber like with kitchen products?
Whats the standard of workmanship like, i.e are they exact, pay
attention to detail or do they do it as quick as possible and dissappear
if we go for supply & fit?
Will there be buck passing between fitter and Homebase/Shreiber if we
have supply only?
Whats aftercare like from Homebase?
Whats aftercare like from Shreiber?
ARe Homebase or Shreiber potential future victims of
liquidation/administration given teh current recession? (we plan to use
a credit card anyway for extra protection)
We've already found that we can source appliances cheaper ourselves than
getting them from Homebase, saving �ｿｽ1200.
Homebase quoted �ｿｽ15 quid each for the door handles, we have found the
same ones elsewhere for less than �ｿｽ2 each!
In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
almost �ｿｽ2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop joints/seams)
We've been told its 4 weeks for delivery after placing & paying for
order. That troubles me a bit as if somethings missing or we need an
extra panel etc, we could have to wait a further four weeks for snagging
works to be sorted out.....
We had been to Been & Queued (atrocious product knowledge and poor
customer service), been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
and looked cheap & nasty)
We have not tried Wickes yet.
I have fitted kitchens before, I've been pleased with Sheraton, but
unfortunately the local Independent kitchen retailer has stopped doing
kitchens and only focusses on bathrooms now.
We are going to another independent to get a quote for Sheraton.
Incidentally, Homebase are doing a 60% off all kitchen materials
provided we pay a deposit of �ｿｽ250 by 8.00pm Tuesday 7th January.
Apparently they can adjust the final order should we make changes, and
will hold the offer open on the final supply or supply and fit quotes.
(there is no discount on labour though on the supply & fit)
I look forward to hearing from those of you who have direct & recent
experience of Homebase and Shreiber.....
The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing myself.
We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
We were given two quotes, supply only as I can get my own kitchen fitter
and a supply and fit quote using homebase supplied permanent/contractors.
Digging around the net it appears that Schreiber and Homebase have an
exclusivity agreement... i.e. Shreiber supply only to Homebase and only
Homebase sell Shreiber kitchens along with hygena etc.
Now we have never used homebase before for a big project, and we have
never had a Shreiber kitchen before.
So we have several questions:
What are Homebase like with kitchen projects?
What are Shreiber like with kitchen products?
Whats the standard of workmanship like, i.e are they exact, pay
attention to detail or do they do it as quick as possible and dissappear
if we go for supply & fit?
Will there be buck passing between fitter and Homebase/Shreiber if we
have supply only?
Whats aftercare like from Homebase?
Whats aftercare like from Shreiber?
ARe Homebase or Shreiber potential future victims of
liquidation/administration given teh current recession? (we plan to use
a credit card anyway for extra protection)
We've already found that we can source appliances cheaper ourselves than
getting them from Homebase, saving �ｿｽ1200.
Homebase quoted �ｿｽ15 quid each for the door handles, we have found the
same ones elsewhere for less than �ｿｽ2 each!
In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
almost �ｿｽ2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop joints/seams)
We've been told its 4 weeks for delivery after placing & paying for
order. That troubles me a bit as if somethings missing or we need an
extra panel etc, we could have to wait a further four weeks for snagging
works to be sorted out.....
We had been to Been & Queued (atrocious product knowledge and poor
customer service), been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
and looked cheap & nasty)
We have not tried Wickes yet.
I have fitted kitchens before, I've been pleased with Sheraton, but
unfortunately the local Independent kitchen retailer has stopped doing
kitchens and only focusses on bathrooms now.
We are going to another independent to get a quote for Sheraton.
Incidentally, Homebase are doing a 60% off all kitchen materials
provided we pay a deposit of �ｿｽ250 by 8.00pm Tuesday 7th January.
Apparently they can adjust the final order should we make changes, and
will hold the offer open on the final supply or supply and fit quotes.
(there is no discount on labour though on the supply & fit)
I look forward to hearing from those of you who have direct & recent
experience of Homebase and Shreiber.....
Tony Bryer
Jan 5, 2014, 6:25:44 PM1/5/14
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On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:55:04 +0000 Stephen wrote :
> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
> almost �2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
> to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop
> joints/seams)
When I did my last UK kitchen, the tops came from Stantons, Byfleet
> joints/seams)
http://www.stantonsuk.co.uk/ . The choice of colours was amazing and they
did all sorts of special finishing, not just standard mason mitres and BB
ends. Also worth noting that they did 650mm deep tops which give a bit
more space for appliances under. No doubt there are similar firms
everywhere if you know where to look.
--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com
Geoff Pearson
Jan 6, 2014, 1:46:32 AM1/6/14
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"Stephen" <i_lov...@spam.com> wrote in message
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and doubt B&Q for this kind of thing. Schreiber is not a real company - it
comes and goes - like Grundig and Bush.
harryagain
Jan 6, 2014, 2:00:46 AM1/6/14
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This is a DIY group. Fit them yourself.
A few years back, with the exception of the doors, I made the whole lot
myself.
Wasn't difficult.
A.Lee
Jan 6, 2014, 3:26:56 AM1/6/14
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Stephen wrote:
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
> I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing myself.
> We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
Schreiber are pretty good quality, slightly above Magnet and Howdens,
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
> I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing myself.
> We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
but they are far more expensive.
Homebase are terrible to deal with as regards kitchens.
No matter what measurements you give them, they will order at least one
wrong part, and unlike Magnets et al, who will give you the piece then,
or next day, Homebase have to order the part, and quote 3 to 4 weeks for
it.
As you have seen, their prices are not at all competitive. I'd recommend
having a good look around at other suppliers.
The Medway Handyman
Jan 6, 2014, 3:58:09 AM1/6/14
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On 05/01/2014 22:55, Stephen wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
>
> I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing
> myself.
>
> We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
>
> We were given two quotes, supply only as I can get my own kitchen fitter
> and a supply and fit quote using homebase supplied permanent/contractors.
>
> Digging around the net it appears that Schreiber and Homebase have an
> exclusivity agreement... i.e. Shreiber supply only to Homebase and only
> Homebase sell Shreiber kitchens along with hygena etc.
I think Homebase just own the Schreiber brand name - could be made by
> Hi All,
>
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
>
> I'm doing the floor tiling, the wall tiling, electrics, and plumbing
> myself.
>
> We have been to Homebase and looked at Shreiber Kitchens
>
> We were given two quotes, supply only as I can get my own kitchen fitter
> and a supply and fit quote using homebase supplied permanent/contractors.
>
> Digging around the net it appears that Schreiber and Homebase have an
> exclusivity agreement... i.e. Shreiber supply only to Homebase and only
> Homebase sell Shreiber kitchens along with hygena etc.
anyone now.
>
> Now we have never used homebase before for a big project, and we have
> never had a Shreiber kitchen before.
>
> So we have several questions:
>
> What are Homebase like with kitchen projects?
No doubt very expensive, they charge ridiculous prices for most things.
> Now we have never used homebase before for a big project, and we have
> never had a Shreiber kitchen before.
>
> So we have several questions:
>
> What are Homebase like with kitchen projects?
> What are Shreiber like with kitchen products?
> Whats the standard of workmanship like, i.e are they exact, pay
> attention to detail or do they do it as quick as possible and dissappear
> if we go for supply & fit?
& may well rush the job to earn some extra money.
> Will there be buck passing between fitter and Homebase/Shreiber if we
> have supply only?
> Whats aftercare like from Homebase?
> Whats aftercare like from Shreiber?
> ARe Homebase or Shreiber potential future victims of
> liquidation/administration given teh current recession? (we plan to use
> a credit card anyway for extra protection)
>
> We've already found that we can source appliances cheaper ourselves than
> getting them from Homebase, saving �ｿｽ1200.
>
> Homebase quoted �ｿｽ15 quid each for the door handles, we have found the
> same ones elsewhere for less than �ｿｽ2 each!
>
> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
> almost �ｿｽ2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
> to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop joints/seams)
>
> We've been told its 4 weeks for delivery after placing & paying for
> order. That troubles me a bit as if somethings missing or we need an
> extra panel etc, we could have to wait a further four weeks for snagging
> works to be sorted out.....
>
> We had been to Been & Queued (atrocious product knowledge and poor
> customer service), been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
> and looked cheap & nasty)
>
> We have not tried Wickes yet.
I've always found their take away stuff OK, albeit a limited range/choice.
> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
> almost �ｿｽ2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
> to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop joints/seams)
>
> We've been told its 4 weeks for delivery after placing & paying for
> order. That troubles me a bit as if somethings missing or we need an
> extra panel etc, we could have to wait a further four weeks for snagging
> works to be sorted out.....
>
> We had been to Been & Queued (atrocious product knowledge and poor
> customer service), been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
> and looked cheap & nasty)
>
> We have not tried Wickes yet.
>
> I have fitted kitchens before, I've been pleased with Sheraton, but
> unfortunately the local Independent kitchen retailer has stopped doing
> kitchens and only focusses on bathrooms now.
>
> We are going to another independent to get a quote for Sheraton.
>
> Incidentally, Homebase are doing a 60% off all kitchen materials
> provided we pay a deposit of �ｿｽ250 by 8.00pm Tuesday 7th January.
> Apparently they can adjust the final order should we make changes, and
> will hold the offer open on the final supply or supply and fit quotes.
> (there is no discount on labour though on the supply & fit)
Next week it will be 65% off, providing you stand on one leg whilst
> I have fitted kitchens before, I've been pleased with Sheraton, but
> unfortunately the local Independent kitchen retailer has stopped doing
> kitchens and only focusses on bathrooms now.
>
> We are going to another independent to get a quote for Sheraton.
>
> Incidentally, Homebase are doing a 60% off all kitchen materials
> provided we pay a deposit of �ｿｽ250 by 8.00pm Tuesday 7th January.
> Apparently they can adjust the final order should we make changes, and
> will hold the offer open on the final supply or supply and fit quotes.
> (there is no discount on labour though on the supply & fit)
playing a tin whistle.
>
> I look forward to hearing from those of you who have direct & recent
> experience of Homebase and Shreiber.....
--
> I look forward to hearing from those of you who have direct & recent
> experience of Homebase and Shreiber.....
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
pcb1962
Jan 6, 2014, 4:29:32 AM1/6/14
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On 05/01/14 22:55, Stephen wrote:
> been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
> and looked cheap & nasty)
My 5 year old Howdens kitchen is more solid than anything I've seen in
> been to Howdens (the units were of questionable build
> and looked cheap & nasty)
the sheds
Capitol
Jan 6, 2014, 5:34:04 AM1/6/14
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Stephen wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
supports can be problematic. Upward folding doors are a pain as they
block access to the top of the cabinet and can't be reached by many
women. I've found Wickes and B & Q to produce solid cabinets at low
cost. I always tile kitchen surfaces, with a suitable non standard grout
mix on 1" WBP, they stay waterproof for > 20 years and can take any hot
dish up to red heat! The only problem is the occasional cracked tile
when a cast iron pan is dropped on them (once every 12 years). Spare
tiles are convenient! Changing a sink outline is also easy, just a bit
of retiling/ply adjustment.
dennis@home
Jan 6, 2014, 5:44:53 AM1/6/14
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They aren't flat pack and arrived assembled.
I suspect that if you glue the flat pack stuff it will be just as solid.
Andrew Gabriel
Jan 6, 2014, 7:01:00 AM1/6/14
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In article <biv1q5...@mid.individual.net>,
+1
although I was surprised more recently how much it's gone up.
> not liked a friend's Howdens
> and doubt B&Q for this kind of thing. Schreiber is not a real company - it
> comes and goes - like Grundig and Bush.
It belonged to GEC, when I worked there 30 years ago.
I remember our local management getting a right bollocking
for ordering the office furniture from somewhere else.
GEC ceased to exist some ~10 years ago, and I suspect the
Schreiber name was sold off well before that.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
+1
although I was surprised more recently how much it's gone up.
> not liked a friend's Howdens
> and doubt B&Q for this kind of thing. Schreiber is not a real company - it
> comes and goes - like Grundig and Bush.
I remember our local management getting a right bollocking
for ordering the office furniture from somewhere else.
GEC ceased to exist some ~10 years ago, and I suspect the
Schreiber name was sold off well before that.
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
tim......
Jan 6, 2014, 5:10:30 PM1/6/14
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"Tony Bryer" <to...@delme.greentram.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00004d7...@delme.greentram.com...
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:55:04 +0000 Stephen wrote :
>> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
>> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
>> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
>> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
>> almost �2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
>> to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop
>> joints/seams)
>
> When I did my last UK kitchen, the tops came from Stantons, Byfleet
> http://www.stantonsuk.co.uk/ . The choice of colours was amazing and they
> did all sorts of special finishing, not just standard mason mitres and BB
> ends. Also worth noting that they did 650mm deep tops which give a bit
> more space for appliances under.
I'm struggling to work out how the depth of worktop can have any effect on
>> In addition, Homebase supply laminate worktops only up to 3m long, we
>> need a 4.2m long one if we wish to avoid joints, so we were quoted for
>> Maia worktops (the seams can be fused apparently), it appears to be like
>> corian sheet on a chipboard former rather than solid corian. This was
>> almost �2k. Searching on the net indicates that we can get worktops up
>> to something line 4.8m long! (we were trying to avoid worktop
>> joints/seams)
>
> When I did my last UK kitchen, the tops came from Stantons, Byfleet
> http://www.stantonsuk.co.uk/ . The choice of colours was amazing and they
> did all sorts of special finishing, not just standard mason mitres and BB
> ends. Also worth noting that they did 650mm deep tops which give a bit
> more space for appliances under.
the space for appliances underneath
Surely that's dependent upon the height of the pillars that you stand it on?
tim
polygonum
Jan 6, 2014, 5:31:39 PM1/6/14
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would be spot on for vertical thickness. But 650mm seems rather more
likely to be back-to-front depth.
--
Rod
Muddymike
Jan 6, 2014, 5:45:58 PM1/6/14
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I'm 100% happy with Howdens cabinets.
Mike
Tony Bryer
Jan 6, 2014, 5:45:36 PM1/6/14
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:10:30 +0100 Tim...... wrote :
> I'm struggling to work out how the depth of worktop can have any
> effect on the space for appliances underneath
>
> Surely that's dependent upon the height of the pillars that you
> stand it on?
Depth as in front to back, width if you prefer. 600mm can make it
> I'm struggling to work out how the depth of worktop can have any
> effect on the space for appliances underneath
>
> Surely that's dependent upon the height of the pillars that you
> stand it on?
hard to get a w/m to go back flush depending on the plumbing and
machine.
pcb1962
Jan 6, 2014, 6:25:09 PM1/6/14
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GB
Jan 7, 2014, 5:48:32 AM1/7/14
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On 06/01/2014 22:45, Tony Bryer wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:10:30 +0100 Tim...... wrote :
>> I'm struggling to work out how the depth of worktop can have any
>> effect on the space for appliances underneath
>>
>> Surely that's dependent upon the height of the pillars that you
>> stand it on?
>
> Depth as in front to back, width if you prefer. 600mm can make it
> hard to get a w/m to go back flush depending on the plumbing and
> machine.
>
Don't most people fitting put the back of the cabinet flush against the
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:10:30 +0100 Tim...... wrote :
>> I'm struggling to work out how the depth of worktop can have any
>> effect on the space for appliances underneath
>>
>> Surely that's dependent upon the height of the pillars that you
>> stand it on?
>
> Depth as in front to back, width if you prefer. 600mm can make it
> hard to get a w/m to go back flush depending on the plumbing and
> machine.
>
wall?
GB
Jan 7, 2014, 5:52:14 AM1/7/14
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On 06/01/2014 12:01, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <biv1q5...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Geoff Pearson" <gspear...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> I've used IKEA twice and been entirely happy;
>
> +1
> although I was surprised more recently how much it's gone up.
+1 on quality and finish. Price a couple of years ago was okay. I'd get
> In article <biv1q5...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Geoff Pearson" <gspear...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> I've used IKEA twice and been entirely happy;
>
> +1
> although I was surprised more recently how much it's gone up.
worktops and plinths elsewhere.
I've had three from Magnet recently, and they were very good. Not sure
about price, though.
>
>> not liked a friend's Howdens
GB
Jan 7, 2014, 5:55:44 AM1/7/14
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>>> My 5 year old Howdens kitchen is more solid than anything I've seen in
>>> the sheds
>>>
>>
>> My 25 yo schriber units are still solid.
>> They aren't flat pack and arrived assembled.
>>
>> I suspect that if you glue the flat pack stuff it will be just as solid.
>
> My Howdens were not flat-pack
screwed them to the wall, each other, and the worktop, they are really
over-engineered. Hinges, drawer bases, and drawer runners: now that's
another different thing entirely!
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GB
Jan 7, 2014, 6:19:41 AM1/7/14
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On 07/01/2014 11:05, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <52cbdc60$0$1393$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>, GB
> <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> (about Howden's)
> seems OK to us, did you have some specific issues? As things stand, I'd
> expect to look at going back to them (at least as one contender) for
> when we rip out the m**ble tops.
>
I hated the foil-wrapped doors. The Ikea doors are *vastly* nicer, with
a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
I may only have been looking at the cheaper end of the Howdens range,
but I was also looking at the cheap end of the Ikea range.
> In article <52cbdc60$0$1393$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>, GB
> <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> (about Howden's)
>
>> +1. Horrid finish. (Apologies to all who have them, and no doubt
>> disagree.)
>
> We got some Howdens a couple of years ago for the Utility room. Finish
>> +1. Horrid finish. (Apologies to all who have them, and no doubt
>> disagree.)
>
> seems OK to us, did you have some specific issues? As things stand, I'd
> expect to look at going back to them (at least as one contender) for
> when we rip out the m**ble tops.
>
I hated the foil-wrapped doors. The Ikea doors are *vastly* nicer, with
a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
I may only have been looking at the cheaper end of the Howdens range,
but I was also looking at the cheap end of the Ikea range.
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GB
Jan 7, 2014, 8:24:33 AM1/7/14
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On 07/01/2014 11:43, Tim Streater wrote:
>> I hated the foil-wrapped doors. The Ikea doors are *vastly* nicer,
>> with a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
>
> Eh? Foil-wrapped? What are you on about? We got stuff from this range:
>> I hated the foil-wrapped doors. The Ikea doors are *vastly* nicer,
>> with a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
>
The doors in a comparable price range to Ikea were foil wrapped.
>
> <http://www.howdens.com/kitchen-collection/kitchen-families/tewkesbury/t
> ewkesbury-oak/>
That looks expensive, but I might be pleasantly surprised. I did say "I
may only have been looking at the cheaper end of the Howdens range, but
I was also looking at the cheap end of the Ikea range."
There's no point comparing deluxe and budget ranges. The sort of thing I
I was also looking at the cheap end of the Ikea range."
bought at Ikea was this:
http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/S69852498/#/S79852501
That's a 60cm base unit for £47. How much is the equivalent in Howden's
Tewkesbury? And what can you get at Howden for the same sort of money?
I'd be interested to know, as Ikea are a pain to shop at. (Sorry to ask
this, but I can't find the Howden price list online.)
>
> The units that were in the utility room when we moved in were
> somebody's horrible laminated white doors with the aluminium strip at
> the bottom to open the door with.
>
> More modern shit that gave no clue as to which end the door opened at,
> and which cut your fingers in the process. They are now used for
> storage in the shed.
>
> We used these door knobs, which don't cut your fingers and which you
> can get hold of:
>
> <http://www.howdens.com/kitchen-collection/kitchen-handles/knob-handles/
> classic-pewter-effect-knob/>
>
> And it looks quite nice, too. As we use the utility room for a variety
> of purposes we have come to know what works and what doesn't.
>
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GB
Jan 7, 2014, 11:16:33 AM1/7/14
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On 07/01/2014 15:24, Tim Streater wrote:
>
> The Tewkesbury is all solid oak front. Your IKEA unit is £63 if you
> want solid oak. A similar (in dimensions) Tewkesbury unit would have
> cost us £67 in 2011.
Well, I'd certainly pay 10% extra not to have to deal with Ikea! :)
I suspect that at the bottom end Ikea are difficult to beat.
>
>> And what can you get at Howden for the same sort of money? I'd be
>> interested to know, as Ikea are a pain to shop at. (Sorry to ask this,
>> but I can't find the Howden price list online.)
>
> They do have a price list, but normally not available to the public,
> AFAICT. You're supposed to work through your installer, they don't sell
> direct to the public (well perhaps they might at 4 x the price). But we
> went in there and asked for one.
My builder was dead keen on Howden, mainly because they would give him a
big box of screws if I purchased the units from them. He was happy to
pass on the price discount, but not the screws.
>
> The Tewkesbury is all solid oak front. Your IKEA unit is £63 if you
> want solid oak. A similar (in dimensions) Tewkesbury unit would have
> cost us £67 in 2011.
Well, I'd certainly pay 10% extra not to have to deal with Ikea! :)
I suspect that at the bottom end Ikea are difficult to beat.
>
>> And what can you get at Howden for the same sort of money? I'd be
>> interested to know, as Ikea are a pain to shop at. (Sorry to ask this,
>> but I can't find the Howden price list online.)
>
> AFAICT. You're supposed to work through your installer, they don't sell
> direct to the public (well perhaps they might at 4 x the price). But we
> went in there and asked for one.
My builder was dead keen on Howden, mainly because they would give him a
big box of screws if I purchased the units from them. He was happy to
pass on the price discount, but not the screws.
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Andrew Gabriel
Jan 7, 2014, 12:47:17 PM1/7/14
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In article <070120141630035239%timst...@greenbee.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes:
> I still have and use the double bed I got from IKEA up the road from
> Geneva in 1980. And it's been to California & back, too.
A few years ago, Ikea calculated that 10% of Europeans are now
conceived on a Ikea bed.
I went to try it out in-store, but there was a long queue...
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes:
> I still have and use the double bed I got from IKEA up the road from
> Geneva in 1980. And it's been to California & back, too.
A few years ago, Ikea calculated that 10% of Europeans are now
conceived on a Ikea bed.
I went to try it out in-store, but there was a long queue...
Andrew Gabriel
Jan 7, 2014, 12:50:15 PM1/7/14
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In article <52cbdb82$0$1382$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>,
Yes. Make sure there are no obstructions behind a machine location.
Put things like the socket and waste trap in the next cupboard.
Put things like the socket and waste trap in the next cupboard.
Andrew Gabriel
Jan 7, 2014, 12:54:37 PM1/7/14
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In article <52cbdd32$0$1465$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>,
> over-engineered. Hinges, drawer bases, and drawer runners: now that's
> another different thing entirely!
I've had none of those fail across several Ikea kitches installed.
Door hinges on a Wickes kitchen are now regularly failing at 14 years
old - probably 5 failures in last 2 years.
GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> writes:
>
>>>> My 5 year old Howdens kitchen is more solid than anything I've seen in
>>>> the sheds
>>>>
>>>
>>> My 25 yo schriber units are still solid.
>>> They aren't flat pack and arrived assembled.
>>>
>>> I suspect that if you glue the flat pack stuff it will be just as solid.
>>
>> My Howdens were not flat-pack
>
> I've never had a cabinet fail, flat pack or not. By the time you've
> screwed them to the wall, each other, and the worktop, they are really
+1
>
>>>> My 5 year old Howdens kitchen is more solid than anything I've seen in
>>>> the sheds
>>>>
>>>
>>> My 25 yo schriber units are still solid.
>>> They aren't flat pack and arrived assembled.
>>>
>>> I suspect that if you glue the flat pack stuff it will be just as solid.
>>
>> My Howdens were not flat-pack
>
> I've never had a cabinet fail, flat pack or not. By the time you've
> screwed them to the wall, each other, and the worktop, they are really
> over-engineered. Hinges, drawer bases, and drawer runners: now that's
> another different thing entirely!
Door hinges on a Wickes kitchen are now regularly failing at 14 years
old - probably 5 failures in last 2 years.
charles
Jan 7, 2014, 12:53:57 PM1/7/14
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In article <lahej5$64r$1...@dont-email.me>,
as the bishop said at my daughter's ordination service "It must have been a
pretty big bed."
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Andrew Gabriel <and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <070120141630035239%timst...@greenbee.net>,
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes:
> > I still have and use the double bed I got from IKEA up the road from
> > Geneva in 1980. And it's been to California & back, too.
> A few years ago, Ikea calculated that 10% of Europeans are now
> conceived on a Ikea bed.
[Snip]
> In article <070120141630035239%timst...@greenbee.net>,
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> writes:
> > I still have and use the double bed I got from IKEA up the road from
> > Geneva in 1980. And it's been to California & back, too.
> A few years ago, Ikea calculated that 10% of Europeans are now
> conceived on a Ikea bed.
as the bishop said at my daughter's ordination service "It must have been a
pretty big bed."
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Andy Burns
Jan 7, 2014, 2:54:01 PM1/7/14
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GB wrote:
> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> We got some Howdens a couple of years ago
>
oak veneer doors, pleased to find they were solid wood when they arrived.
> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> We got some Howdens a couple of years ago
>
> I hated the foil-wrapped doors. The Ikea doors are *vastly* nicer, with
> a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
Having ordered B&Q carcases and doors a few years ago, I was expecting
> a real wood veneer. They've lasted well, too.
oak veneer doors, pleased to find they were solid wood when they arrived.
Tony Bryer
Jan 7, 2014, 3:34:13 PM1/7/14
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On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:48:32 +0000 Gb wrote :
> Don't most people fitting put the back of the cabinet flush against
> the wall?
Yes. Spacing them out is more work but does make accommodating
> Don't most people fitting put the back of the cabinet flush against
> the wall?
services (especially waste pipes) a lot easier.
GB
Jan 7, 2014, 4:45:51 PM1/7/14
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On 07/01/2014 20:34, Tony Bryer wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:48:32 +0000 Gb wrote :
>> Don't most people fitting put the back of the cabinet flush against
>> the wall?
>
> Yes. Spacing them out is more work but does make accommodating
> services (especially waste pipes) a lot easier.
>
What sort of brackets do you use to fix them?
> On Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:48:32 +0000 Gb wrote :
>> Don't most people fitting put the back of the cabinet flush against
>> the wall?
>
> Yes. Spacing them out is more work but does make accommodating
> services (especially waste pipes) a lot easier.
>
Tony Bryer
Jan 7, 2014, 4:59:49 PM1/7/14
to
fixed to the cabinet side at the top and the wall as a temporary
fix. Once the worktop goes in and is fixed to the wall and cabinet
nothing can move.
sm_jamieson
Jan 7, 2014, 5:47:09 PM1/7/14
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On Monday, January 6, 2014 10:34:04 AM UTC, Capitol wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
>
> >
>
> > The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
>
>
>
>
>
> Homebase shelves are too thin and won't take heavy loading. Shelf
>
> supports can be problematic. Upward folding doors are a pain as they
>
> block access to the top of the cabinet and can't be reached by many
>
> women. I've found Wickes and B & Q to produce solid cabinets at low
>
> cost. I always tile kitchen surfaces, with a suitable non standard grout
>
> mix on 1" WBP, they stay waterproof for > 20 years and can take any hot
>
> dish up to red heat! The only problem is the occasional cracked tile
>
> when a cast iron pan is dropped on them (once every 12 years). Spare
>
> tiles are convenient! Changing a sink outline is also easy, just a bit
>
> of retiling/ply adjustment.
What type of tiles do you use ?
Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
Simon.
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
>
> >
>
> > The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
>
>
>
>
>
> Homebase shelves are too thin and won't take heavy loading. Shelf
>
> supports can be problematic. Upward folding doors are a pain as they
>
> block access to the top of the cabinet and can't be reached by many
>
> women. I've found Wickes and B & Q to produce solid cabinets at low
>
> cost. I always tile kitchen surfaces, with a suitable non standard grout
>
> mix on 1" WBP, they stay waterproof for > 20 years and can take any hot
>
> dish up to red heat! The only problem is the occasional cracked tile
>
> when a cast iron pan is dropped on them (once every 12 years). Spare
>
> tiles are convenient! Changing a sink outline is also easy, just a bit
>
> of retiling/ply adjustment.
What type of tiles do you use ?
Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
Simon.
spuorg...@gowanhill.com
Jan 7, 2014, 6:15:06 PM1/7/14
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On Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:55:04 PM UTC, Stephen wrote:
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
Just to note that, I think in mid Feb, IKEA are replacing Faktum kitchens with a new Metod range. Thus there may be bargains associated with end-of-line Faktum (and conversely, problems with continued availability of parts).
> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
Owain
PeterC
Jan 8, 2014, 5:11:31 AM1/8/14
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I'm more interested in the comparitive quality of the old and new ranges -
is it value engineering by a new name?
--
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The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway
djc
Jan 8, 2014, 5:43:27 AM1/8/14
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On 07/01/14 22:47, sm_jamieson wrote:
>
> What type of tiles do you use ?
> Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
> Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
> Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
For worktops you should use epoxy grout.
>
> What type of tiles do you use ?
> Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
> Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
> Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
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Capitol
Jan 8, 2014, 6:29:49 AM1/8/14
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sm_jamieson wrote:
> On Monday, January 6, 2014 10:34:04 AM UTC, Capitol wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> The next big project is to replace our kitchen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Homebase shelves are too thin and won't take heavy loading. Shelf
>>
>> supports can be problematic. Upward folding doors are a pain as they
>>
>> block access to the top of the cabinet and can't be reached by many
>>
>>
>> cost. I always tile kitchen surfaces, with a suitable non standard grout
>>
>> mix on 1" WBP, they stay waterproof for> 20 years and can take any hot
>>
>> dish up to red heat! The only problem is the occasional cracked tile
>>
>> when a cast iron pan is dropped on them (once every 12 years). Spare
>>
>> tiles are convenient! Changing a sink outline is also easy, just a bit
>>
>> of retiling/ply adjustment.
>
> What type of tiles do you use ?
> Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
> Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
> Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
>
> Simon.
I use about 4 x 8 floor/wall tiles or a similar size. Very hard and not
>> cost. I always tile kitchen surfaces, with a suitable non standard grout
>>
>> mix on 1" WBP, they stay waterproof for> 20 years and can take any hot
>>
>> dish up to red heat! The only problem is the occasional cracked tile
>>
>> when a cast iron pan is dropped on them (once every 12 years). Spare
>>
>> tiles are convenient! Changing a sink outline is also easy, just a bit
>>
>> of retiling/ply adjustment.
>
> What type of tiles do you use ?
> Do you use the tiled surface as a preparation surface or always use chopping boards etc. ?
> Is it hygienic when you get tomato juice, grease etc. on the grout lines ?
> Tiled worktops seem to be a very American thing in general.
>
> Simon.
shiny. Almost always use a separate plastic preparation surface, which
will go in the dishwasher. The grout is very waterproofed so there is no
significant penetration of either grease/white spirit/meths/acetone or
water etc and is easily cleaned/sterilised. Old Nitromors paint stripper
can damage the grout. It is a pig to apply the grout and it needs
smoothing after 24/48 hours with something abrasive like a golden
fleece, but as it lasts for many years it's worth it. I think the epoxy
grouts might be easier to use nowadays, but much more expensive. IME
even granite scratches if used for food preparation and can stain easily
under some circumstances. However the granite worktops I have seen
recently are joined so well that the joint is invisible without a
magnifying glass. The protective coatings applied to granite don't like
very hot things stood on them. I've never managed to scratch a tile yet.
Corian etc are very nice looking, but again suffer from
heat,scratching and staining. I've never seen a laminate joint on
chipboard which survived standing water. IMO butler sinks should stay as
garden ornaments as they always chip and are death to crockery.
Just my experience.
djfor...@gmail.com
Jun 4, 2014, 12:24:59 AM6/4/14
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This may be a bit late but thought you might like to know my experiences with Homebase and Schreiber.
No, life is too short to tell you the whole story so here's the summary...
Delivery 17th Jan.
Fitters started 21st Jan with expected completion on the 25th.
It's now the beginning of June and it's not finished!
Is this just a few units?
Nope... £20,000's worth.
So if you haven't decided yet
DON'T DO IT!!
And if you have ..... Good luck
No, life is too short to tell you the whole story so here's the summary...
Delivery 17th Jan.
Fitters started 21st Jan with expected completion on the 25th.
It's now the beginning of June and it's not finished!
Is this just a few units?
Nope... £20,000's worth.
So if you haven't decided yet
DON'T DO IT!!
And if you have ..... Good luck
JimK
Jun 4, 2014, 5:48:41 AM6/4/14
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On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 05:24:59 UTC+1, djfor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Is this just a few units?
>
> Nope... £20,000's worth.
er.. £20k on cheap kitchen units? did you consider a partition?
> Is this just a few units?
>
> Nope... £20,000's worth.
Jim K
Stephen
Jun 4, 2014, 12:59:47 PM6/4/14
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p...@pro-ac.com
Jan 16, 2015, 2:53:07 AM1/16/15
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On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 05:24:59 UTC+1, djfor...@gmail.com wrote:
polygonum
Jan 16, 2015, 3:31:21 AM1/16/15
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On 16/01/2015 07:53, p...@pro-ac.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 05:24:59 UTC+1, djfor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> This may be a bit late but thought you might like to know my experiences with Homebase and Schreiber.
>> No, life is too short to tell you the whole story so here's the summary....
> On Wednesday, 4 June 2014 05:24:59 UTC+1, djfor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> This may be a bit late but thought you might like to know my experiences with Homebase and Schreiber.
>> Delivery 17th Jan.
>> Fitters started 21st Jan with expected completion on the 25th.
>> It's now the beginning of June and it's not finished!
>> Is this just a few units?
>> Nope... £20,000's worth.
>> So if you haven't decided yet
>> DON'T DO IT!!
>> And if you have ..... Good luck
>
> Any joy now?I'm just about to order the Homebase/Schrieber combination.
>
Given the message you quite, why?
>> Fitters started 21st Jan with expected completion on the 25th.
>> It's now the beginning of June and it's not finished!
>> Is this just a few units?
>> Nope... £20,000's worth.
>> So if you haven't decided yet
>> DON'T DO IT!!
>> And if you have ..... Good luck
>
> Any joy now?I'm just about to order the Homebase/Schrieber combination.
>
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Brian Gaff
Jan 16, 2015, 3:41:35 AM1/16/15
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Well, maybe he thinks the other person just had the wrong shape of room for
it?
Brian
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Tim Watts
Jan 16, 2015, 4:19:43 AM1/16/15
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My kitchen cost less than that including fitting the units and worktop
and the units are custom made out of yellow pine with zero MDF or chip.
Just goes to show...
sm_jamieson
Jan 16, 2015, 6:06:16 AM1/16/15
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Simon.
sm_jamieson
Jan 16, 2015, 6:09:54 AM1/16/15
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My kitchen cost about 4 grand including appliances. So if someone has a kitchen 5 times the size of mine, I suppose it would cost 20 grand !
Good point about custom stuff often being cheaper than you think though.
Simon.
Tim Watts
Jan 16, 2015, 6:30:13 AM1/16/15
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On 16/01/15 11:09, sm_jamieson wrote:
>
> I hope they waited for the "sale" to come around.
> My kitchen cost about 4 grand including appliances. So if someone has a kitchen 5 times the size of mine, I suppose it would cost 20 grand !
> Good point about custom stuff often being cheaper than you think though.
It still wasn't cheap - not like as you say, waiting for a sale.
>
> I hope they waited for the "sale" to come around.
> My kitchen cost about 4 grand including appliances. So if someone has a kitchen 5 times the size of mine, I suppose it would cost 20 grand !
> Good point about custom stuff often being cheaper than you think though.
We made the decision to pay over the odds for solid wood as we expect
this to outlive us, so in effect I can guarantee we would have gone
through 2-3 regular kitchens in the next few decades - as it can be
repainted and if necessary repaired if it gets tired or damaged.
So assume we live that long, it should factor out about the same.
Capitol
Jan 16, 2015, 9:07:37 AM1/16/15
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> Simon.
>
The Homebase stuff I looked at had very thin shelves which would not
take our loadings. Also they used upward opening doors which most women
can't reach. Very pretty but crap.
andrew
Sep 8, 2016, 7:14:03 PM9/8/16
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replying to Stephen, andrew wrote:
am fitting a schreiber kitchen now and the cabinet instructions are very poor
indeed and non existent in some cases.
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am fitting a schreiber kitchen now and the cabinet instructions are very poor
indeed and non existent in some cases.
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Not happy
Jul 12, 2017, 7:44:05 AM7/12/17
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replying to Stephen, Not happy wrote:
I am in the process of having the schreiber kitch installed. Whatever you do
dont i am still into getting it done for the last 12 months .still incomplete
5 deliveries of wrong items broken items missing items its a damn nightmare
slap happy approach with total incompetance actual installation started may
1st and is still not finished but kitchen is functional
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I am in the process of having the schreiber kitch installed. Whatever you do
dont i am still into getting it done for the last 12 months .still incomplete
5 deliveries of wrong items broken items missing items its a damn nightmare
slap happy approach with total incompetance actual installation started may
1st and is still not finished but kitchen is functional
--
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Robert Barnes
Jan 19, 2018, 5:14:06 PM1/19/18
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replying to Stephen, Robert Barnes wrote:
Had issues with the newton abbott homebase, as in the kitchen designer who
can't copy a hand drawn plan & lost 100mm. They were told there would be a
long delay between the purchase & the deivery... but still had phone calls
about 'when can we deliver it'. Also they didn't order enough back stand for
the quartz worktops. Also difficult to get hold of as the kitchen 'expert'
isn't working or in today/ on holiday
Had issues with the newton abbott homebase, as in the kitchen designer who
can't copy a hand drawn plan & lost 100mm. They were told there would be a
long delay between the purchase & the deivery... but still had phone calls
about 'when can we deliver it'. Also they didn't order enough back stand for
the quartz worktops. Also difficult to get hold of as the kitchen 'expert'
isn't working or in today/ on holiday
Brian Gaff
Jan 20, 2018, 4:12:14 AM1/20/18
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Something must be wrong this thread is only a few years old ie 2014.
The usual posts from this broken interface to usenet I saw was written by
Fred Flintstone.
Brian
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