Carrying building materials in the boot of a car.
Graham.
About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
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Dave Plowman (News)
Graham. <m...@privicy.net> wrote:
> Specifically chunky clay roof-tiles.
> About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
The driver's handbook should give details of the maximum load.
Otherwise just limit it to the weight of the number of adults it can carry
in the back.
I do know a ton of paving slabs ain't a good idea in a Mini Van. The tyres
were touching the wheel arches...
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ARWadsworth
> In article <ib9cai$nqh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Graham. <m...@privicy.net> wrote:
>> Specifically chunky clay roof-tiles.
>> About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
>
> The driver's handbook should give details of the maximum load.
> Otherwise just limit it to the weight of the number of adults it can
> carry in the back.
>
> I do know a ton of paving slabs ain't a good idea in a Mini Van. The
> tyres were touching the wheel arches...
The Berlingo I saw on the motorway today with a ton bag of ballast in the
back did not look too healthy either.
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Adam
The Other Mike
>Specifically chunky clay roof-tiles.
>About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
Look on the VIN plate and find the gross vehicle weight.
Deduct the kerb weight of the vehicle.
Deduct your own weight, and the weight of assorted crap in the
glovebox. If the fuel tank is not full then add on 0.7kg per litre to
top it off.
This gives the maximum load you can carry.
Divide this by the weight of one roof tile and Robert is your brothers
hamster (or something like that)
But there may be restrictions on the weight you can carry in the boot,
only the vehicle handbook would be able to tell you.
1000 Marley concrete tiles weigh 3 tonne, so each one weighs 3kg
I could only carry 13 of them in the boot of one of my vehicles if I
stuck to the manufacturers recommendations, if I put them in the
passenger compartment I could carry another 12.
But, I reckon I could physically fit a couple of hundred in the boot.
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MrFerrous
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My small hatchback (old Fiesta) can carry about 330kg (including driver)
according to the manual.
It gets a bit wobbly with more than 75kg in the "boot" which is right at the
back of car. If you need to carry more than that, I suggest distributing the
tiles across the seats and footwells of passenger compartment as well.
Assuming 2.5kg per tile (big assumption), that would mean 30 in the boot
alone, or perhaps 100 in the whole car. The car's manual probably recommends
increased tyre pressures when fully loaded.
tony sayer
>Specifically chunky clay roof-tiles.
>About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
>
See if you can find in the handbook the rated load weight it can carry
and then find out the weight of the tile in question a bit of division
and that should be as good a guide as any..
Course do as I say and not as I do .. I bought the whole extension roof
home once in the back of the A6 estate sure levelled out the ride;!.
Well it did take 2 runs....
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Tony Sayer
js.b1
In most cars you can carry 4 adults of nominal 75kg each.
The weight needs to be similarly distributed and relatively secured -
not all in the boot because you could actually damage the floor and if
the weight shifts you could end up flying off the road. Equally you
would need to increase tyre pressure the pretty near the maximum as by
the handbook or label on the inside of the drivers door. Normal
pressures may be 32/26psi fr/rr but for maximum load you may need
40/36psi which is a substantial difference.
In practice for 3kg tiles I would put 25 in the book (75kg) and 25 in
the passenger footwell (75kg) and 20 across the rear seats (60kg). Do
not put anything in the footwell behind the driver, because that can
slide forward under heavy braking and jam under your brake pedal on
some cars.
If you are thinking of 600kg of tiles, forget it, traffic police will
pounce if they see a car overloaded and the fines are stiff. Braking
distance really is substantially greater near a cars maximum load and
handling generally sucks. A tile is not distributed like people and
weight can shift, so if you can do several trips or get a delivery it
can be worth it. A full pallet of tiles is so heavy the only practical
solution is hire a (BIG) truck or have them delivered.
If using roofing battens those to BS-whatever are a lot better than
those not which tend to be whatever rubbish they could get down to the
size without falling to bits in doing so.
pete
but a work colleague got pulled a few years back. He had borrowed
a small tipper. While all the documentation was in order, he had
just loaded all the stuff he wanted to transport onto the back end.
The police took exception, escorted him to the local weighbridge
and although the load *was* within the limits of the vehicle, it
was all concentrated on the back axle - busted!
ARWadsworth
> The problem is when you stop suddenly, where do the tiles go?
>
> In most cars you can carry 4 adults of nominal 75kg each.
So one driver and the equivalent of 2 MiLs..........
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Adam
tim....
> About how many can I carry safely in the back of a hatchback?
When I had to carry this sort of stuff I distributed it around the car a bit
(as well as conforming to the weight limit)
tim
Andy Champ
If you have two MiLs that counts as self inflicted. However...
Once upon a time I was looking for a plug to connect a towbar harness
into a Cavalier. I didn't want to pay Vauxhall's silly price for the
official harness, so off to the scrappy and have a rummage.
One of the cars had all its seats demounted, and was covered al over the
inside with a grey granular stuff. Most of the windows were broken.
I asked. The guy had loaded some bags of cement in the hatchback, and
all was well until he did an emergency stop. The cement didn't stop
until it had torn all the seats out, and killed the driver. Then the
bags split, filling the car with dust just to make sure he was dead.
The granular stuff was damp cement.
Have you considered delivery?
Andy
ARWadsworth
Are you sure he had not killed the MiL?
That granular stuff could have been the ex MiL with a bit of quicklime....
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Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid>
saying something like:
>One of the cars had all its seats demounted, and was covered al over the
>inside with a grey granular stuff. Most of the windows were broken.
>
>I asked. The guy had loaded some bags of cement in the hatchback, and
>all was well until he did an emergency stop. The cement didn't stop
>until it had torn all the seats out, and killed the driver. Then the
>bags split, filling the car with dust just to make sure he was dead.
>The granular stuff was damp cement.
An alarm company I worked for had some Escort vans, and in the back of
them were mounted the very long drills for thick stone walls. Some utter
braniac had mounted them (in every van) directly behind the drivers'
heads. This was rectified following an emergency stop, where a couple of
drills whizzed past the driver's nut and shot through the windscreen.
Luckily for him the force of the stop had caused him to bob his head
down a couple of inches...
Mark
<no-one-...@notatthisaddress.com> wrote:
>Also be aware of the axle weight. Dunno if it applies to hatchbacks
>but a work colleague got pulled a few years back. He had borrowed
>a small tipper. While all the documentation was in order, he had
>just loaded all the stuff he wanted to transport onto the back end.
>The police took exception, escorted him to the local weighbridge
>and although the load *was* within the limits of the vehicle, it
>was all concentrated on the back axle - busted!
Traffic Police patrolling the roads is a thing of the past IME.
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dennis@home
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> Traffic Police patrolling the roads is a thing of the past IME.
They patrol around here, in unmarked cars.
They have several Volvos, some BMWs, Skodas and probably others which I have
yet to spot.
They are very difficult to spot, unless you see one responding you probably
wouldn't know it was one.
Martin Bonner
wrote:
> 1000 Marley concrete tiles weigh 3 tonne, so each one weighs 3kg
> I could only carry 13 of them in the boot of one of my vehicles if I
> stuck to the manufacturers recommendations, if I put them in the
> passenger compartment I could carry another 12.
That doesn't make sense. A typical adult weighs about 75kg or more
(and 100kg is not /particularly/ large), so assuming you can get two
adults in the back passenger seat, that would be *at least* 50 tiles
in the back seat alone.
Bill
"dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes
The aerials can be a give away, but you have to be quite close to see
them. Plus some cars seem to have similar to these fitted for normal
radio use too.
A combination of UHF RT and GPS
<http://www.panorama.co.uk/uk/products/tetra_gps_combi.html>
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Andy Champ
My son tells me there are Skodas on the A1. I've seen an unmarked
Vauxhall (but covered in incy wincy blue flashing lights!) here in
Thames Valley area.
Andy
Dave Plowman (News)
Andy Champ <no....@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> My son tells me there are Skodas on the A1. I've seen an unmarked
> Vauxhall (but covered in incy wincy blue flashing lights!) here in
> Thames Valley area.
'Plain' cars seem to be getting very common in London - and those blue
lights in the headlights, etc, simply ain't so visible as on the roof. Not
anything like as bright either.
What ever happen to the sirens which were meant to give you more of an
idea where the vehicle is coming from?
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Mark
My opinion is based upon that I see many traffic offenses being
committed every day. I've never seen anyone been stopped by the
Police for them though. Even if I do see a marked Police car in the
vicinity they just drive on past.
The Other Mike
Who said I had a back seat?
40kg limit in the boot
1270kg gross weight
1085kg kerb weight including full fuel tank
giving 185kg useful load capacity
Take away 39kg for the 13 tiles in the boot leaves 146kg for the
humans
Take away 100kg for me leaves 46kg
46kg /3kg per tile = 15
Leaving 1kg for mars bars, loose change and a couple of CD's
OK I said 12 extra tiles in the passenger compartment, but I wasn't
that far off.
With a 100kg driver and a 60kg passenger I really only have 25kg for
luggage, or one typical suitcase. Yet I fit three huge sailing bags in
the boot containing luggage for a month touring Europe, whether I'm
legal or not is debatable :)
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dennis@home
"Mark" <i...@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote in message
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> My opinion is based upon that I see many traffic offenses being
> committed every day. I've never seen anyone been stopped by the
> Police for them though. Even if I do see a marked Police car in the
> vicinity they just drive on past.
I have seen 3 pulled over in the last two weeks, I don't know what for.
All were by unmarked cars.
In the previous couple of months the police have been pulling cars out of
the traffic and sending them onto a lidl car park where there have been
twenty or more people doing checks, this happens about every two weeks and
they go to other places in between.
Martin Bonner
> Who said I had a back seat?
Ah.
>
> 40kg limit in the boot
> 1270kg gross weight
> 1085kg kerb weight including full fuel tank
> giving 185kg useful load capacity
That's the problem. Two 5'11" adults wouldn't have to be obese to put
you over that limit (and if they were 6'6", they wouldn't even have to
be overweight). Does the "gross weight" exclude passengers? (In
which case, you can add in the weight of a reasonable passenger.)
Dave Plowman (News)
dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
> I have seen 3 pulled over in the last two weeks, I don't know what for.
> All were by unmarked cars. In the previous couple of months the police
> have been pulling cars out of the traffic and sending them onto a lidl
> car park where there have been twenty or more people doing checks, this
> happens about every two weeks and they go to other places in between.
Usually number plate recognition cameras saying they've no insurance.
Checking a random car for overloading would require some initiative.
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Jethro
You see an awful lot of dogs unsecured in the backs of cars. A guy I
used to work with popped in on his day off, once with his dog lying on
the back seat of his Megane. When I suggested he might want to buy a
hatchback and put a proper guard in, I was given a right royal
rollicking. And he was supposed to be a Mech. Eng ! ....
Pete Verdon
> Divide this by the weight of one roof tile and Robert is your brothers
> hamster
Years ago I came downstairs to find my mum weighing bottles of wine on
her kitchen scales. Turns out they were planning a major booze cruise
through the Tunnel, Dad had told her the maximum payload of the car, and
she was working out the average weight of a bottle to see how many they
could bring over before the car gave up.
Pete
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"tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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never bothered to work anything out.
I just packed as much as I could on the floor space then a bit more in the
boot.
I have done 3 x 2 ` slabs, a couple in the front well and then a couple each
behind the front seats, then another 3 in the boot.
Probably well over but weight distributed. Thats 10 slabs. Mind you it was
a company car :-)
Made sure I didnt drive in the rush hour and drove slower than usual.
Halmyre
I once got 12 square metres of rolls of turf into my Alfa 156. I don't intend to repeat the
process! I weighed one roll when I got home, can't remember the weight but I was slightly
horrified.
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ARWadsworth
> In article <4cda94ba$0$4191$c3e8da3$5b14...@news.astraweb.com>,
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> I have seen 3 pulled over in the last two weeks, I don't know what
>> for. All were by unmarked cars. In the previous couple of months the
>> police have been pulling cars out of the traffic and sending them
>> onto a lidl car park where there have been twenty or more people
>> doing checks, this happens about every two weeks and they go to
>> other places in between.
>
> Usually number plate recognition cameras saying they've no insurance.
> Checking a random car for overloading would require some initiative.
Now that reminds me of a friend of mine who some years ago stole a safe from
a travel agents.
As it turned out he could not shut the boot on his Cavalier with the safe in
there so he covered it with a blanket and tied the boot lid down with some
string. On his way home the police stopped him for a routine check and the
officer asked my friend "What's in the back, a safe?". My friend answered
yes and the officer let him go.
My friend was arrested 2 months later when he cashed the travellers cheques
that were in the safe.
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Adam
The Other Mike
The gross weight is always the absolute max, you can't unload
passengers.
Maybe its an EU rule but the kerb weight always seems to include a
75kg driver and a full tank of fuel.
But overweight is always overweight, so with no passengers but with
the driver onboard a weight below the gross weight is always ok, but
the seats have to remain without people in them.
I only quoted the example as a method of calculation and showing how
easy it is to get caught out, a lot of small hatches could easily be
over their gross limit with 4 or 5 up let alone a load of crap in the
boot.
One other thing that seems strange at first is that if you sum the
front axle limit and the rear axle limit it always (nearly always?)
comes out more than the gross weight to allow for unequal weight
distribution.
For instance on my Defender 90
1200kg front
1500kg rear
max gross 2550kg,
kerb weight (including 75kg driver and full fuel tank) 1793kg
Giving a useful load of 757kg. There is no way I could fit enough
fatties onboard to come anywhere near busting the max gross.
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The Natural Philosopher
Do be careful when running a defender with 3/4 tonne in it. The thing is
unstable at speed, like towing a caravan.
dennis@home
"The Natural Philosopher" <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Do be careful when running a defender with 3/4 tonne in it. The thing is
> unstable at speed, like towing a caravan.
>
Even a mini is stable towing a caravan if you load the caravan correctly.
You can make any car unstable if you load the caravan incorrectly.
There are other reasons why a mini doesn't make a good tow car.
jgharston
> When I had to carry this sort of stuff I distributed it around the car a bit
> (as well as conforming to the weight limit)
And get as much as forward of the rear axle as possible.
Two sacks of cement in the back of a Polo made for scary
uphill (non)steering.
JGH