Boiler in garage or in bedroom cupboard

[Ron]

I am getting central heating in a house that at present does not have a
boiler and radiators.

I want the boiler in the attached garage but the fitters have suggested
putting it in the vacated airing cupboard in a bedroom that contains the
HWC.

Presumably because it makes it easier for him.

Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?

[Fredxxx]

No!

Is this a system or combi?

A system boiler needs 3 pipes, a combi considerably more and hence more
work.

A combi ought to be sited close to where hot water is required or
there's a lot of cold water drawn off first.

[Bob Minchin]

Find a fitter who understands that he needs to do what the customer asks.
Or fit it yourself and get a gas safe fitter to make the final gas
connection and commission the boiler. The installation manuals for
Worcester-Bosch are very good, online and easy to follow.

[Bill Wright]

Yes, mine is so far from the taps I've had to install local electric
water heaters.

As for having the boiler in the bedroom, not bloody likely! Hissing and
clicking and whooomphing at all hours, risk of gas leaks or carbon
monoxide making you wake up dead.

Bill

[spuorg...@gowanhill.com]

On Wednesday, 28 January 2015 14:37:00 UTC, Ron wrote:
> Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?

I'd really rather not, because of the noise.

Do you have a loft? (and as far from the main bedroom as possible)

Owain

[Ron]

Do you have a loft? (and as far from the main bedroom as possible)

Yes, above the bedroom

[Tim Watts]

Yes if I *had to* - BUT it depends on how sensitive you are to noise.

The pump and flue fan running in the small hours may be an annoyance to
light sleepers.

I'd go with the garage option personally if the choice exists.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <du6yw.511233$I4.2...@fx34.am4>,

Ron <r...@flymail.fm> wrote:
> I am getting central heating in a house that at present does not have a
> boiler and radiators.

> I want the boiler in the attached garage but the fitters have suggested
> putting it in the vacated airing cupboard in a bedroom that contains the
> HWC.

> Presumably because it makes it easier for him.

Of course. It always was thus.

> Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?

No. There are none which are silent.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <maat75$dpt$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
> > A combi ought to be sited close to where hot water is required or
> > there's a lot of cold water drawn off first.

> Yes, mine is so far from the taps I've had to install local electric
> water heaters.

Of course you may have to decide which taps are more used - bathroom or
kitchen - with a combi. I'd probably opt for the kitchen. Kids may have a
different view. ;-)

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[Robert]

On 28/01/2015 14:36, Ron wrote:

Even the quiet ones would probably annoy some people in a bedroom.
In an attached garage the small amount of heat from the boiler might be
useful if the space is being used for storage/utility/workshop purposes.
As you have no CH at present , I suggest working out possible radiator
positions and pipe runs yourself before getting quotes.
You can optimise runs for disruption and place rads where they will fit
in with present and future furniture and provide good uniform heating in
a room - sometimes 2 smaller rads are better than 1 big one.

There is a danger that installers will optimise for lowest quote and
easiest install.

[ARW]

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+1
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[Fredxxx]

I would suggest, by the nature of cold air entering the boiler that the
boiler housing will stay cool.

There might well be more heat loss from the hot pipes to and from the
boiler. More so if exposed in a garage, these pipes should be lagged.

[Tim+]

"Ron" <r...@flymail.fm> wrote:
> Do you have a loft? (and as far from the main bedroom as possible)
>
>
> Yes, above the bedroom

Don't do it. Our last two boilers have been in the loft and it's been a
pain. Out of sight and out of mind which means that when small problems do
occur they don't get noticed until they're big problems. Also, if you have
the pump up there the sound with come through the rafters.

Garage sounds like the best bet.

Tim

[newshound]

On 28/01/2015 14:36, Ron wrote:

In contrast to most posters, I have a system boiler in the bedroom,
effectively in a built-in wardrobe (with suitable clearance for
ventilation etc). The CH timer keeps it off at night, it does not seem
to run often at night for the DHW, does not run for long, and is not
*too* noisy. It is not an ideal solution but for practical reasons this
is the best place for it, especially with DHW in mind. The location
means the boiler and all the control electrics is reasonably accessible
for service (compared to a loft, for example).

[Bill Wright]

Ron wrote:
> Do you have a loft? (and as far from the main bedroom as possible)
>
>
> Yes, above the bedroom

That means you'd get the hissing and clicking and whooomphing and carbon
monoxide poisoning and also get drownded in boiling water while you were
asleep.

Bill

[Bill Wright]

Huge wrote:

>> Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?

I share my bedroom with an old boiler.

Bill

[ss]

On 28/01/2015 14:36, Ron wrote:

Previous house I had in an upstairs hallway cupboard, but I still heard
it firing up and running (wasnt a combi) 20 years later I replaced with
a combi in the garage, easy to access and no noise. Slight disadvantage
was time lag re hot water but not a big issue.
Personally I would go with garage.

[Tim+]

With a modern boiler it's really quite hard to get poisoned unless the flue
is badly positioned near a window.

Poisoning really wouldn't be one of my major worries.

Tim

[Fredxxx]

Is that because when you're poisoned with CO in your sleep you don't
tend to wake up?

I'd be worried about that "in between level" of CO that makes you feel
unwell!

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <548d20b...@davenoise.co.uk>,

"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes:
> In article <maat75$dpt$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> > A combi ought to be sited close to where hot water is required or
>> > there's a lot of cold water drawn off first.
>
>> Yes, mine is so far from the taps I've had to install local electric
>> water heaters.
>
> Of course you may have to decide which taps are more used - bathroom or
> kitchen - with a combi. I'd probably opt for the kitchen. Kids may have a
> different view. ;-)

Yes, it's the taps you want small amounts of hot water more often which
should be near the boiler - kitchen sink would be key for many people.
Bath and shower, even though they use more hot water, aren't going to
matter so much if you have to run off cold first.

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[Fredxxx]

Are you of near equal age to this boiler?

[Tim+]

Fredxxx <fre...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 28/01/2015 21:26, Tim+ wrote:
>> Bill Wright <bi...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Ron wrote:
>>>> Do you have a loft? (and as far from the main bedroom as possible)
>>>>>> Yes, above the bedroom
>>>
>>> That means you'd get the hissing and clicking and whooomphing and carbon
>>> monoxide poisoning and also get drownded in boiling water while you were asleep.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> With a modern boiler it's really quite hard to get poisoned unless the flue
>> is badly positioned near a window.
>>
>> Poisoning really wouldn't be one of my major worries.
>
> Is that because when you're poisoned with CO in your sleep you don't tend to wake up?

No, it's because they've all been "room sealed" for years and take their
fresh air from outside as well as expelling their exhaust outside. Unless
there is a major structural failure in the boiler, they're very unlikely to
be able to leak any CO inside a house.

Not impossible, but much less likely than it used to be.

Tim

[Fredxxx]

I was pulling leg a little :-)

I thought there was a requirement to have a CO detector fitted in a
bedroom with a boiler which suggests it's not without some perceived risk.

[John Rumm]

On 28/01/2015 22:02, Tim+ wrote:

modern designs typically run the case at a negative pressure as well -
so even if it leaks, it lets room air into the boiler, not boiler air
into the room.

The biggest CO risk with a modern boiler is from incorrectly fitted or
joined flue components.

>
> Not impossible, but much less likely than it used to be.
>
> Tim
>

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[Brian Gaff]

Or cop out completely and get storage heaters like wot i got.
Brian

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[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <mabbvk$5u7$1...@dont-email.me>,

There are extra considerations when a boiler (or any part of the
heating system) is in an unheated location where things can freeze
if the system is not properly designed to handle this. Lagging is
essential, but you may need a froststat too, depending if the boiler
has an integral one. Even so, some pipes around a boiler aren't
heated, and modern boilers don't leak much heat from the casing.
A good heating installer will be familiar with designing such a
system.

[Gazz]

"Bill Wright" <bi...@invalid.com> wrote in message

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can't you get a grant to get a new younger model?

[Adam Funk]

I'm not aware of a requirement to have one in your own house (maybe in
rented accommodation?) but it's a good idea. They're not expensive.

[Terry Fields]

Ron wrote:

> I am getting central heating in a house that at present does not have a
> boiler and radiators.
>
> I want the boiler in the attached garage but the fitters have suggested
> putting it in the vacated airing cupboard in a bedroom that contains the
> HWC.
>
> Presumably because it makes it easier for him.
>

> Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?

Have you considered a heat store? Cylinder in the airing cupboard,
boiler in the garage; instant DHW at full mains pressure, reduced
boiler cycling, radiators fully hot within a minute or less?

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[Ron]

Would a heat store system like you suggest be more economic than a gas combi
boiler?

"Terry Fields" wrote in message news:cj1j18...@mid.individual.net...

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article <aR5zw.481722$i7.3...@fx20.am4>,

"Ron" <r...@flymail.fm> writes:
> Would a heat store system like you suggest be more economic than a gas combi
> boiler?

It will depend on your usage.
I would also say they are slightly less suited to modern condensing
boiler with features like weather compensation than they were to
earlier generations of boilers, but that's not to completely dismiss
them. If you were looking to have solar water panels, that could
easily swing it.

[Chris J Dixon]

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

>In article <aR5zw.481722$i7.3...@fx20.am4>,
> "Ron" <r...@flymail.fm> writes:
>> Would a heat store system like you suggest be more economic than a gas combi
>> boiler?
>
>It will depend on your usage.
>I would also say they are slightly less suited to modern condensing
>boiler with features like weather compensation than they were to
>earlier generations of boilers, but that's not to completely dismiss
>them. If you were looking to have solar water panels, that could
>easily swing it.

Don't forget that you need to have a reliable supply pressure.

Chris
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[Terry Fields]

Ron wrote:


> "Terry Fields" wrote in message news:cj1j18...@mid.individual.net...
>
> Ron wrote:
>
>> I am getting central heating in a house that at present does not have a
>> boiler and radiators.
>>
>> I want the boiler in the attached garage but the fitters have suggested
>> putting it in the vacated airing cupboard in a bedroom that contains the
>> HWC.
>>
>> Presumably because it makes it easier for him.
>>
>> Would you have the boiler in your bedroom?
>
> Have you considered a heat store? Cylinder in the airing cupboard,
> boiler in the garage; instant DHW at full mains pressure, reduced
> boiler cycling, radiators fully hot within a minute or less?
>
> Would a heat store system like you suggest be more economic than a gas combi
> boiler?

Probably not. The idea of a heat store is, well, to store heat. This
means that when the temperature of the store falls below a set level
(mine is 65C) the sensor will ask the boiler to supply heat, until the
store reaches its upper limit (72C). Heat will be lost to the airing
cupboard; I've calculated my heat loss to be 110W. The boiler
fires up for 5 minutes every nine hours in my system.However, it's
important to note that other demands for hot water (to the central
heating, or domestic hot water) will also result in 'calls for
heat', and these will keep the store topped up anyway.

The benefits for you are: boiler in the garage, a simpler type of
boiler called 'heat only', a nice warm airing cupboard (which with a
combi system needs its own radiator = heat loss), all but instant
mains pressure hot water supplied from the store (a shorter run than
from the garage), central heating fully hot within a minute. This
system is more complex than a combi, but is comprised of separate
parts (and so more easily serviced and repaired). It will also cost
more initially. HTH

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