chrome plated copper pipe: bendable?
Fred
I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
TIA
Tim W
wibbled on Saturday 02 January 2010 22:58
> Hello,
>
> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
I asked this last year and people said it bent fine. I'll find out in due
course. They also said the appearance of the chrome might change on the
bend, but it shouldn't flake off.
If you want the fanciness of chrome, you probably want to use a pipe bender
rather than a spring - the latter would leave ripples, unless the bend is
hidden.
> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
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John Rumm
> Hello,
>
> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
It bends in a pipe bender just fine.
> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
No idea...
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Usenet Nutter
wrote:
>If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
>plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
I know that copper with brassware on it gets a lower price than plain
copper so I'd expect chromed copper to be treated the same .
Steve Firth
> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
> proper bender
Both work fine, provided you can bend copper tube using either method
you'll have no trouble with chromed tube.
A.Lee
> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
It is fine, so long as you do it slowly, and dont make the bend radius
too tight. A better solution is to bend copper pipe to shape, then take
it to be chrome plated.
> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
It'll be classed as mixed copper or brazier copper. This is 30% or so
cheaper than plain copper. I've dealt with 3 scrap dealers, they all
only pay for mixed copper. It has to be brand new, or look brand new to
get plain copper prices. One joint, or a bit of solder on it, and it is
mixed. I thought about sorting out all my copper last time I weighed in,
but it was just not worth the extra �30ish I may have got.
Alan.
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Stewith
"Fred" <fr...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote in message
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The chrome plated stuff I got from Screwfix a few years ago was hopeless
any bend over about 10 degrees and the pipe just snapped. The stuff from
wickes I have never had a problem with.
Usenet Nutter
>It'll be classed as mixed copper or brazier copper. This is 30% or so
>cheaper than plain copper. I've dealt with 3 scrap dealers, they all
>only pay for mixed copper. It has to be brand new, or look brand new to
>get plain copper prices. One joint, or a bit of solder on it, and it is
>mixed. I thought about sorting out all my copper last time I weighed in,
>but it was just not worth the extra �30ish I may have got.
>Alan.
What actually happens to scrap copper plain and mixed .I guess it gets
melted down but does melted down plain get put to a different use than
melted down mixed ..I'd have thought the impurities would rise to the
surface and get skimmed off but probably doesn't work that way ...any
experts on melted copper in today? :-)
Usenet Nutter
The complete pipe just snapped ???
A.Lee
No, the mixed copper does not have 'impurities' float up (well, it does
in small amounts, the various oxides will float), the zinc, lead and
other elements in brazier copper will mix with the pure copper giving a
different alloy.
This resulting alloy, will, in most cases, result in a poorer quality,
and can only then be reused in a copper alloy such as brass, gunmetal or
other Cu based alloys. It can never be reused for copper pipe.
Cicero
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This happened to me with some standard plain copper pipe so it's almost
certainly not the fault of the chrome layer.
I have some dog-legged chrome pipe in use and there's no sign of the
chrome cracking but I think there might be a limit to the size of bend
possible before the chrome separates or cracks.
Cic.
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Gordon Henderson
I put some mild S bends in a pair chrome plated pipes a few years back
using a spring. The plating is still doing fine... The pipes were from
BES I think...
Gordon
Doctor Drivel
"Tim W" <t...@dionic.net> wrote in message
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> Fred <fr...@no-email.here.invalid>
> wibbled on Saturday 02 January 2010 22:58
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
>> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
>> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
>
> I asked this last year and people said it bent fine. I'll find out in due
> course. They also said the appearance of the chrome might change on the
> bend, but it shouldn't flake off.
>
> If you want the fanciness of chrome, you probably want to use a pipe
> bender
> rather than a spring - the latter would leave ripples, unless the bend is
> hidden.
It will not leave ripples.
Doctor Drivel
"A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com> wrote in message
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> Fred <fr...@no-email.here.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
>> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
>> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
>
> It is fine, so long as you do it slowly, and dont make the bend radius
> too tight. A better solution is to bend copper pipe to shape, then take
> it to be chrome plated.
A better solution is buy quality chrome pipe and bend it.
Andy Dingley
<individual...@takeoutmyteethgmail.com> wrote:
> What actually happens to scrap copper plain and mixed
Copper is used because it's ductile and electrically conductive.It's
alloys are less so.
So in practice, mixed copper scrap won't re-enter the food chain for
copper, but it will go for use in casting alloys (various grades of
brass) instead.
Fred
>It is fine, so long as you do it slowly, and dont make the bend radius
>too tight. A better solution is to bend copper pipe to shape, then take
>it to be chrome plated.
Thanks. I wanted to fit a new radiator but SWMBO would prefer visible
horizontal runs of chrome rather than boxing out the skirting board to
hide copper. I wanted the pipe to continue into the other room, which
means the tee from the bottom pipe needs to go up and over the top
pipe; the only way I can see to do this is with a bend, hence my
question. Unless anyone can think of a better way to do this?
>It'll be classed as mixed copper or brazier copper. This is 30% or so
>cheaper than plain copper. I've dealt with 3 scrap dealers, they all
>only pay for mixed copper. It has to be brand new, or look brand new to
>get plain copper prices. One joint, or a bit of solder on it, and it is
>mixed.
I never knew that. I wasn't sure whether the chrome was more expensive
than the copper and hence would have got a better price; obviously
not. I once took a bag of copper pipe to the scrap yard; all the pipes
were bare except one had a stuck lock shield valve on the end. They
told me the whole lot was mixed copper because of this. Next time,
I'll cut it off before I go! I don't know why they couldn't have
weighed the other pipes separately.
I was interested in the other reply that mixed copper gets melted down
and used in alloys. I naively thought there was a production line
where men with angle grinders cut off all the joints before the pipe
was melted.
Thanks again.
Fred
<ste...@yahoo.co.ukREMOVE> wrote:
>
>The chrome plated stuff I got from Screwfix a few years ago was hopeless
>any bend over about 10 degrees and the pipe just snapped. The stuff from
>wickes I have never had a problem with.
Beware of Focus, who used to sell (and may still do) something that
looked like chrome but was in fact steel, which quickly blunted my
cutters. Now I always check the inside of the tube before I buy ;)
Andrew Gabriel
Are you sure it wasn't a clothes rail someone put back in the
wrong place?
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Fred
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>Are you sure it wasn't a clothes rail someone put back in the
>wrong place?
IIRC I bought two, so unless someone put two clothes rails... hold on,
I suppose a Focus employee could have filled up the wrong space with
the wrong item. There's a thought!
ja...@kingjoins.com
Or if you have any questions, welcome you to contact with me. My E-mail address is ja...@kingjoins.com
Adrian
> I'm the sales manager f King Joins Industrial Limited. The manufacturer
> of chrome plated steel pipes in China.
in China?
> We could sure that the chrome plated cooper pipe can be bent. It's no
> problem. Even the chrome plated steel pipes which we produced can be
> bent to shapes. They are not copper pipe but steel pipes.
the chrome-plated steel pipes are steel, and steel isn't copper? But
they're all plated. With chrome?
<phew> I'm so glad you clarified that. I was confused.
> And it's no problem to bent.
harryagain
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? 2010?1?3????UTC+8??6?58?11?,Fred??:
>
> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
>
> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
>
> TIA
The cracks are not immediately apparent until the copper beneath corrodes a
bit.
So you have to buy joints and elbows etc.
Makes the whole thing quite expensive and sometimes unsightly too.
Adrian
> The cracks are not immediately apparent until the copper beneath
> corrodes a bit.
> So you have to buy joints and elbows etc.
>
> Makes the whole thing quite expensive and sometimes unsightly too.
and it still looked just fine when we sold the house earlier this year.
I did have to have a couple of attempts, yes - but that was largely to
get the bends in the right place...
Muddymike
first language yet they went to the trouble of trying to supply useful
information.
What use was your reply?
Janet, if you are still following this. Don't be put off by twats like
Adrian, many of us appreciated your effort.
Mike
Adrian
>>> I'm the sales manager f King Joins Industrial Limited. The
>>> manufacturer of chrome plated steel pipes in China.
> first language yet they went to the trouble of trying to supply useful
> information.
> What use was your reply?
Adrian
>> What use was your reply?
my server at the time, making it spam-out-of-context)
Tim+
Actually, I don't really appreciate the effort. So far, to best best of my
knowledge, NOT ONE of these "late responders" has ever engaged in any
dialogue after they post their one message. It would seem that their only
motivation is to tick a box on their "read and respond to a usenet message"
exercise.
Tim
Adrian
> Even if it is over three years after the question was asked.
John Rumm
> <ja...@kingjoins.com> wrote in message
> news:9f2bbbf8-66ae-4fd1...@googlegroups.com...
> ? 2010?1?3????UTC+8??6?58?11?,Fred??:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
>> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
>> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
>>
>> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
>> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
>>
>> TIA
>
> No. The chrome is quite stiff and cracks/shells off.
to bend and keep looking nice. Never had chrome flaking off.
> The cracks are not immediately apparent until the copper beneath corrodes a
> bit.
> So you have to buy joints and elbows etc
>
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Martin Brown
> On 30/10/2013 09:12, harryagain wrote:
>> <ja...@kingjoins.com> wrote in message
>> news:9f2bbbf8-66ae-4fd1...@googlegroups.com...
>> ? 2010?1?3????UTC+8??6?58?11?,Fred??:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I thought I'd ask before I try because it's too expensive to waste!
>>> Can chrome plated 15mm copper pipe be bent, either with a spring or a
>>> proper bender or does something terrible happen to the chrome plate?
>>>
>>> If I have off cuts and take them to the scrap yard, does the chrome
>>> plating carry a premium or is it just bundled with "plain" copper?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>> No. The chrome is quite stiff and cracks/shells off.
>
> Must be your technique or equipment harry, I have always found it easy
> to bend and keep looking nice. Never had chrome flaking off.
has to give and it might well be the chrome plating.
>> The cracks are not immediately apparent until the copper beneath
>> corrodes a
>> bit.
>
> Not had that problem either...
>
>> So you have to buy joints and elbows etc
>>
>> Makes the whole thing quite expensive and sometimes unsightly too.
>
>
> Another reason to bend and avoid the need for elbows.
its element started tripping RCDs and outlet tap leaking about the same
time was plumbed in directly to mains water using chrome plated copper.
It was bent in arcs of about 6" radius without any difficulty and showed
no signs of corrosion at all after 25y in a kitchen environment.
YMMV
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> Well, I'm very pleased to meet you, Janet. Is "Janet" a very common name
> in China?
with westerners. Off the top of my head: Dan, Norah, Echo, Crystal,
and Sean (although that was very close to his actual name).
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Tim Watts
I have bent 15mm chromed with a pipe bender. No issues. Maybe it has
microcracked but it's not obvious and nothing has happened after 3 years.
Certainly did not flake.
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