Mains / shaver socket in airing cupboard
Steve
Can anyone please advise on the regulation for putting a shaver socket
in an airing cupboard in the bathroom?
I understand you can't have a socket in the bathroom directly, but my
airing cupboard (that now houses a condensing boiler instead of the old
water tank) has mains in there (for the boiler.) Is it allowed to spur
off this feed for a shaver socket inside the cupboard?
Thanks for reading and for any advice
Steve
John Rumm
> I understand you can't have a socket in the bathroom directly, but my
In fact you can - shaver sockets are the exception to the general rule.
As long as the socket is the type with an isolating transformer then it
can go in the bathroom.
> airing cupboard (that now houses a condensing boiler instead of the old
> water tank) has mains in there (for the boiler.) Is it allowed to spur
> off this feed for a shaver socket inside the cupboard?
Yup, or outside...
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ARWadsworth
"John Rumm" <see.my.s...@nowhere.null> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>
>> I understand you can't have a socket in the bathroom directly, but my
>
> In fact you can - shaver sockets are the exception to the general rule. As
> long as the socket is the type with an isolating transformer then it can
> go in the bathroom.
600mm from the edge of bath or shower ISTR.
>> airing cupboard (that now houses a condensing boiler instead of the old
>> water tank) has mains in there (for the boiler.) Is it allowed to spur
>> off this feed for a shaver socket inside the cupboard?
>
> Yup, or outside...
No problems putting a shaver point there. The shaver point might need to be
fused down to 3A using a fused spur.
Adam
Andy Dingley
> Can anyone please advise on the regulation for putting a shaver socket
> in an airing cupboard in the bathroom?
I can't imagine you're going to shave in the airing cupboard...
So be aware that shaver sockets are switched by inserting the plug,
and they're somewhat noisy (transformer buzz) when switched on. So it
might not be the best idea to provide a low current socket in there
for something else (presumably left plugged in), as even though it's
isolated, it will buzz.
Steve
Thanks for the replies guys.
The airing cupboard is directly adjacent to a shower cubicle so the
socket will physically be situated <600mm away from water/shower, but
through a tiled wall. Presumably this is acceptable?
The intention for the socket is to support a rechargeable toothbrush, so
it will be permanently on. Would a standard 3 pin socket via a 3A spur
be acceptable in the cupboard, with a shaving adapter (to eliminate the
transformer buzz) ??
Thanks again for your advice.
Steve
ARWadsworth
"Steve" <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 30/03/2010 15:20, Steve wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> Can anyone please advise on the regulation for putting a shaver socket
>> in an airing cupboard in the bathroom?
>>
>> I understand you can't have a socket in the bathroom directly, but my
>> airing cupboard (that now houses a condensing boiler instead of the old
>> water tank) has mains in there (for the boiler.) Is it allowed to spur
>> off this feed for a shaver socket inside the cupboard?
>>
>> Thanks for reading and for any advice
>>
>> Steve
>
> Thanks for the replies guys.
>
> The airing cupboard is directly adjacent to a shower cubicle so the socket
> will physically be situated <600mm away from water/shower, but through a
> tiled wall. Presumably this is acceptable?
Yes:-)
> The intention for the socket is to support a rechargeable toothbrush, so
> it will be permanently on. Would a standard 3 pin socket via a 3A spur be
> acceptable in the cupboard, with a shaving adapter (to eliminate the
> transformer buzz) ??
You can use a non transfoming shaver point in the airing cupboard if you
want to.
Adam
Steve
>
> You can use a non transfoming shaver point in the airing cupboard if you
> want to.
>
> Adam
>
>
Thanks Adam, that's handy to know - I only saw transforming sockets in
B&Q so assumed these were the "norm".
Steve
terry
Interesting difference in regulations/practice!
Here in eastern Canada the old style 117 volt, one to one transformer,
7 watt, isolated shaver outlets are no longer used/installed (Or even
permitted as far as one can tell). And the even older style outlet
installed in the rim/edge of a light fixture above say the vanity are
definitely non compliant.
But GFI (RCD style) outlets in bathrooms etc. are now the thing. Each
duplex GFI costs around $12 to $18. Roughly ten quid? Uninstalled, we
have several around the house. Incidentally they do occasionally go
faulty. Fortunately they seem to fail 'ope' i.e. non functional or
fail safe. One outside in the wall of the garden shed needs
replacement for example.
Here we woud be compliant by mountinga GFI facing into the bathroom
itself.
We have two duplex outlets in our bathroom. Two shavers are left
plugged* in and a third position is occupied by an LED 'night light'
with its built in photo cell (Night Light costing equiv. of one or two
quid at one of those 'cheap' stores).
The first duplex is the GFI which then 'protects' any leakage or
unbalance of anything plugged into it or the second duplex outlet
next to and 'downstream' of it. The GFI also 'protects' a waterproof
light fixture in the 'roof' of the fiberglass shower/tub unit.
Works fine since only radial circuits; no ring mains here.
Duplex outlets are mounted in wall left side of sink vanity about four
feet from bathtub/shower. Metal water plumbing bonded to house neutral
back at the main circuit breaker panel.
* Appliance plugs here are not fused and are often the moulded to end
of appliance cord type.
Mike Clarke
Probably hard to find in the sheds. MK do one but it's a bit pricey
<http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK0700.html>
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Mike Clarke
zaax
As long as its has a door on it. Its a diffrent room. The old tabk
supply may have been direct supply from the fuse box.
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zaax
Frustration casues accidents: allow faster traffic to overtake.
js.b1
wrote:
> 600mm from the edge of bath or shower ISTR.
...where said 600mm also sweeps around an open door into the airing
cupboard, bringing wiring accessories within the IPx4 requirement.
Solutions are...
#1 hinge the door the other way so the zone doesn't reach any wiring
accessories inside,
#2 fit a splined lock to the door ("requires use of a tool"),
#3 use appropriately rated equipment such as transformer shaver outlet
or IPx4 isolator for immersion, boiler etc.
Most people choose #2 as "solves everything now **** off" :-)))
Shaving in an airing cupboard is a little unusual, *smile*.
If it is just for charging why not stick a non-transformer shaver
outlet in the master bedroom?
Cordless Philips/Norelco seem to suck compared to Braun, sadly I
bought the former very cheaply (£38 v £125 in UK). Indeed transformer
variants can be very noisy if you have a stud wall and note the
required wall depth can be "considerable".
Steve
> Shaving in an airing cupboard is a little unusual, *smile*.
> If it is just for charging why not stick a non-transformer shaver
> outlet in the master bedroom?
>
Hi
Thanks for the info. Let's just say having the family toothbrush charger
in any of the bedrooms is inconvenient. As I had mains in the cupboard,
I wondered what the "rules" were in terms of fitting the socket inside
it are.
Regards,
Steve
js.b1
> Thanks for the info. Let's just say having the family toothbrush charger
> in any of the bedrooms is inconvenient. As I had mains in the cupboard,
> I wondered what the "rules" were in terms of fitting the socket inside
> it are.
Hmmm, reminds me they do UV toothbrush cleaners now...
... bathrooms are going to get somewhat crowded with appliances!
We might see a change in the 18th regs if trends continue...
Traditional 30mA RCD protection will still "piggin hurt" and was
chosen as a balance between fibrillation/time & ease of RCD
manufacture. However 10mA RCD protection is now available at low cost
(RCBO £40, RCD £25 & Inline-RCD £12), but would require a dedicated
supply.
With a 10mA supply I think we could see a viable product providing 3
shaver outlets (toothbrush, shaver, toothbrush cleaner) and hairdryer
(BS4343 125A in new shuttered form should cover that).
I think some EU countries do use a 10mA supply to the bathroom with
outlets, so you could just copy them since regulations do permit "or
an equivalent named standard". The problem may be they use it with
Shocko sockets.
ARWadsworth
"js.b1" <js...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 3:27 pm, Steve <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Let's just say having the family toothbrush charger
> in any of the bedrooms is inconvenient. As I had mains in the cupboard,
> I wondered what the "rules" were in terms of fitting the socket inside
> it are.
Hmmm, reminds me they do UV toothbrush cleaners now...
... bathrooms are going to get somewhat crowded with appliances!
We might see a change in the 18th regs if trends continue...
Hands up all in favour of a UV soapy tit wank.
Adam
js.b1
wrote:
> Hands up all in favour of a UV soapy tit wank.
Will you stop getting all excited over the Memera electrical porn
catalog, or you will blow a fuse :-)
ARWadsworth
She changed her name to Eaton but she did not know I had being seeing Hager
on the side.
Adam
js.b1
wrote:
> She changed her name to Eaton but she did not know I had being seeing Hager
> on the side.
Careful, or she may Clipsal you :-)
ARWadsworth
Nothing wrong with a cheap white socket.
Adam
js.b1
wrote:
> Nothing wrong with a cheap white socket.
Ah, but shuttering requires other pins to be pushed - adds cost :-)