F&M: Evil Stone, The Cause : It's Official
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VICAR: IS STONE TO BLAME FOR FOOT AND MOUTH?
A CUMBRIAN vicar says the cursing stone in Carlisle's
Millennium Gallery may be to blame for the severity
of the foot and mouth outbreak.
The Rev Kevin Davies, vicar of Scotby and Cotehill with
Cumwhinton, has launched a vehement attack on the stone
which invokes a medieval curse against the Reivers.
He believes it could bring all manner of woes, and says
it should be smashed to pieces to break the spiritual
power of the curse.
"This stone, whatever the council's original intent,
is a lethal weapon," he wrote in his parish magazine.
"Its spiritual violence will act like a cancer underneath
the fabric of society. I don't think anyone in their
right mind could argue that this is what Cumbria needs
just now.
"Is it a coincidence that the curse was first bandied
about in 1999-2000 and now, in 2001, we find that that
North Cumbria is the worst affected region in the entire
country in the foot and mouth crisis?
"The land retains what is spoken against it and the
violence acted upon it. As to the future of the stone
and the curse it brings, they need to be broken, both
literally and spiritually, for all time."
The giant stone is the centrepiece of the underground
gallery, part of the city's Millennium Gateway scheme.
The text dates from the 14th century, when the Borders
were in the grip of pillaging Reivers.
http://www.news-and-star.co.uk/A3j8oc.HTM
Paul C. Dickie
electros...@20000v.com writes
>From the Cumbria News & Star:
>
>VICAR: IS STONE TO BLAME FOR FOOT AND MOUTH?
>
>A CUMBRIAN vicar says the cursing stone in Carlisle's
>Millennium Gallery may be to blame for the severity
>of the foot and mouth outbreak.
I believe that the problem may be "something in the water" and, in his
case, too much whisky... o-)
--
< Paul >
Jim Webster
Paul C. Dickie <p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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in the good old days cumbrian vicars used to fight with sheep shears for a
good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
Indeed the distant predecessor of our vicar was found dead drunk outside a
bordello in a street in Ulverston.
Sad that in these declining times we have seen a decline in the quality of
the clergy as well
--
Jim Webster
"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"
'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'
Elaine Jones
posted on 30 Sep 2001 by Jim Webster
I would like to add:
> in the good old days cumbrian vicars used to fight with sheep shears for a
> good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
How?
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Jim Webster
Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Quoting from message <9p7flu$3bd$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>
> posted on 30 Sep 2001 by Jim Webster
> I would like to add:
>
>
> > in the good old days cumbrian vicars used to fight with sheep shears for
a
> > good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
>
> How?
>
from distant memory only here understand, but one of the old vicars of
Wastdale had his own flock of sheep on the fell. In those days sheep were
sheared up on the fell and there were certain prime sites for shearing. In
some cases it was a stone that was just right to sit on when shearing sheep.
Competition for these sites was intense and there was no such thing as
seniority. They were apparently physically fought over at times, and he was
reputed to have seen off more than one opponent by attacking them with his
shears.
of such is the kingdom of heaven :-))
--
Jim Webster
"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"
'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'
> --
Mary Fisher
Jim Webster <j...@everyone.knows.where.by.now> wrote in message
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>
> Paul C. Dickie <p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:l3BMpiDo...@bozzie.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <XO9t7.11064$3Q5.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> > electros...@20000v.com writes
> > >From the Cumbria News & Star:
> > >
> > >VICAR: IS STONE TO BLAME FOR FOOT AND MOUTH?
> > >
> > >A CUMBRIAN vicar says the cursing stone in Carlisle's
> > >Millennium Gallery may be to blame for the severity
> > >of the foot and mouth outbreak.
> >
> > I believe that the problem may be "something in the water" and, in his
> > case, too much whisky... o-)
> >
> > --
> > < Paul >
>
> in the good old days cumbrian vicars used to fight with sheep shears for a
> good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
> Indeed the distant predecessor of our vicar was found dead drunk outside a
> bordello in a street in Ulverston.
I didn't know there was one in Ulverston!
Mary
Jim Webster
Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3bb79c45$0$13...@news.zetnet.co.uk...> > in the good old days cumbrian
vicars used to fight with sheep shears for a
> > good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
> > Indeed the distant predecessor of our vicar was found dead drunk outside
a
> > bordello in a street in Ulverston.
>
> I didn't know there was one in Ulverston!
>
> Mary
in the good old days Soutergate had several, however it is now perfectly
respectable.
A few years ago (20?) there was a bust when several local dignities were
implicated (but this may be simple tradition) and one turned out to be the
landlord.
As to the current state of play in the industry in Ulverston I am
afraid I have no more uptodate information.
I know that when I was a school, friends on mine who were in the sea cadets
were given a list of houses that were "out of bounds" which always struck
me as counterproductive.
Five Cats
.knows.where.by.now> writes
>
>Elaine Jones <ela...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:7f2646...@cae-coed.zetnet.co.uk...
>> Quoting from message <9p7flu$3bd$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>
>> posted on 30 Sep 2001 by Jim Webster
>> I would like to add:
>>
>>
>> > in the good old days cumbrian vicars used to fight with sheep shears for
>a
>> > good spot to shear sheep on the fells.
>>
>> How?
>>
>
>from distant memory only here understand, but one of the old vicars of
>Wastdale had his own flock of sheep on the fell. In those days sheep were
>sheared up on the fell and there were certain prime sites for shearing. In
>some cases it was a stone that was just right to sit on when shearing sheep.
>Competition for these sites was intense and there was no such thing as
>seniority. They were apparently physically fought over at times, and he was
>reputed to have seen off more than one opponent by attacking them with his
>shears.
Fascinating. Now why was it easier to shear up on the fells when the
fleeces would then have to be carried down? To avoid having to gather
the sheep *and* take them down instead?
>
>of such is the kingdom of heaven :-))
>
>
>--
>Jim Webster
>
>"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"
>
> 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'
>
>
>
>> --
>> ...ElaineJ... Visit Jones' Pages at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/ejones
>> ...Kinetic... Corwen, North Wales; Steam Traction, with feature on
>Fodens;
>> ..StrongArm.. Textures/Backdrops; Spring Graphics
>> ...RISC PC... CMMGB with pics of pre- WW 1 Dawson & Yukon Volunteers.
>
>
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Five Cats
Jim Webster
Five Cats <cats...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:FrtEA5Al...@nevis-view.demon.co.uk...> >from distant memory only
here understand, but one of the old vicars of
> >Wastdale had his own flock of sheep on the fell. In those days sheep were
> >sheared up on the fell and there were certain prime sites for shearing.
In
> >some cases it was a stone that was just right to sit on when shearing
sheep.
> >Competition for these sites was intense and there was no such thing as
> >seniority. They were apparently physically fought over at times, and he
was
> >reputed to have seen off more than one opponent by attacking them with
his
> >shears.
>
> Fascinating. Now why was it easier to shear up on the fells when the
> fleeces would then have to be carried down? To avoid having to gather
> the sheep *and* take them down instead?
>
two answers occur to me immediately
the first is as you suggest, also the fleeces could be slung on the back of
a pony or similar.
the second which would not occur to either a lady or a minister of religion
is that a fleece is a fleece is a fleece.
A sheep on the other hand is a recognisable member of gods creation with its
own rightful owner who would recognise it instantly
I do rather wonder if shearing on the fell meant that you had a chance to
come down the fell with more fleeces than you rightly had ewes to shear :-))