Rev/Most Rev
Polar
Somone on a NG signs himself The Most Reverend [so & so].
What's the diff? Size of parish? or?
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Polar
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sme...@mindspring.com wrote:
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> Somone on a NG signs himself The Most Reverend [so & so].
>
> What's the diff? Size of parish? or?
>
Certainly you'd have to have a church title above that of a parish
vicar. Although, of course, a lot of people use fake titles in
newsgroups.
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 13:33:21 -0800, Polar <sme...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
> Somone on a NG signs himself The Most Reverend [so & so].
>
> What's the diff? Size of parish? or?
Debrett's New Guide to Etiquette and Modern Manners (1996) gives the
following for degrees of reverence
Chuch of England:
Archbishop The Most Reverend...
Bishop The Right Reverend...
Dean and provost The Very Reverend...
Canon/other clergy The Reverend...
Roman Catholic Church
Bishop The Right Reverend...
Monsignor The Right Reverend/Very Reverend... (if canon)
Other priests The Reverend...
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Terry Boon, Hertfordshire, UK
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Alan Jones
<mhun...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:92r5fn$oai$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <2rt15tsecbhu5e7ab...@4ax.com>,
> sme...@mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> > Somone on a NG signs himself The Most Reverend [so & so].
> >
> > What's the diff? Size of parish? or?
> >
> I think you'd have to be a bishop to use the title "Most Reverend".
In the Church of England, and in general also as used by UK Roman Catholic
and Orthodox clergy:
The Most Reverend for an archbishop
The Right Reverend for any other bishop
The Very Reverend for a dean or equivalent
The Venerable for an archdeacon
The Reverend for any other cleric
The abbreviation "Rev", with or without a stop, is slightly sub-standard: the
word should be written in full or abbreviated as "Revd", again with a stop if
preferred, and always with a preliminary "The".
Usage requires a first name (in this context "Christian name" seems
acceptable), not just the surname, or at least initials: "The Revd John
Smith", or "The Revd J.T.H.Smith". It's deeply substandard (or jocular) to
talk about a priest or minister as just "The Rev" or to address one as "Hey,
Rev!" If even his/her initials are not known, then the form is "The Revd Mr
Smith", or - these days - "The Revd Mrs/Miss/Ms Smith".
In parishes where it's customary to call the priest "Father" (and in the RC
and Orthodox churches), one can use "The Revd. Fr. Smith", and refer to him
as "Father John" or "Father Smith".
I'm slightly surprised that anyone should sign himself "Most Reverend" in a
newsgroup; if absolutely necessary, he could sign as "John Smith, Archbishop
of Islington".
This is all rather old-fashioned but still, I think, the proper usage.
Alan Jones
Polar
wrote:
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><mhun...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:92r5fn$oai$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <2rt15tsecbhu5e7ab...@4ax.com>,
>> sme...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Somone on a NG signs himself The Most Reverend [so & so].
>> >
>> > What's the diff? Size of parish? or?
>> >
>> I think you'd have to be a bishop to use the title "Most Reverend".
>
>In the Church of England, and in general also as used by UK Roman Catholic
>and Orthodox clergy:
>
>The Most Reverend for an archbishop
>The Right Reverend for any other bishop
>The Very Reverend for a dean or equivalent
>The Venerable for an archdeacon
>The Reverend for any other cleric
>
>The abbreviation "Rev", with or without a stop, is slightly sub-standard: the
>word should be written in full or abbreviated as "Revd", again with a stop if
>preferred, and always with a preliminary "The".
Poster in question did sign himself "Most Rev [name]"
>
>Usage requires a first name (in this context "Christian name" seems
>acceptable), not just the surname, or at least initials: "The Revd John
>Smith", or "The Revd J.T.H.Smith". It's deeply substandard (or jocular) to
>talk about a priest or minister as just "The Rev" or to address one as "Hey,
>Rev!" If even his/her initials are not known, then the form is "The Revd Mr
>Smith", or - these days - "The Revd Mrs/Miss/Ms Smith".
>
>In parishes where it's customary to call the priest "Father" (and in the RC
>and Orthodox churches), one can use "The Revd. Fr. Smith", and refer to him
>as "Father John" or "Father Smith".
>
>I'm slightly surprised that anyone should sign himself "Most Reverend" in a
>newsgroup; if absolutely necessary, he could sign as "John Smith, Archbishop
>of Islington".
It's also possible, as another respondent has suggested, that he's
just *calling" himself the Most Rev. [name].
>
>This is all rather old-fashioned but still, I think, the proper usage.
Will remember, in the highly unlikely case that I ever have to
greet one of them <g>
Thanks for your clarification.
Alan Jones
"Peter Humphrey" <p...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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the
> > word should be written in full or abbreviated as "Revd", again with a
stop if
> > preferred, and always with a preliminary "The".
>
> is that it's omitted if the final letter of the abbreviation is the same
> as that of the original. So "Dr", not "Dr."
Yes, that's what I was taught and used to teach: so {Rev.} and {Revd}. But
the current orthodoxy in the (or some) British places where they teach
secretarial skills is to omit all stops formerly used merely by convention,
including those indicating abbreviations. So my own address as it might
appear on an envelope is (altered a bit to demonstrate various points):
Mr A T Jones MA DipEd
173 King St
Melksham
Wilts UK
and today's date would be:
3 January 2001
If there is some official Civil Service manual of writing, I think this must
be the form now recommended or required. Perhaps the apostrophe will be the
next bit of punctuation to disappear (except from the white lettering on most
greengrocer's window's advertising cheap potatoe's, of course). Modern
typographic designers seem to hate punctuation of any kind.
Alan Jones