Scones

[Dieter Britz]

(In case there is anybody here)

In Australia, all old ladies, when expecting visitors,
make a batch of scones. We pronounce it like "sconz".
Here in Denmark, they have caught on (but with raisins)
and people pronounce it as in "cones" with an s in front.
How do Brits say it?

--
Dieter Britz

[David D S]

Both ways. There are regional and individual differences
operating here. Some prefer to say it "sconz", others prefer
to say it like "cones" with an s in front.

Use which ever one is easiest for you.

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[Peter Duncanson]

Both ways of pronouncing it are heard in Britain. This is psrtly
geographic. Some people use the long o (oh) as in "goat"; others use the
short o as in "pot" or "option". [Pronunciation guide from the OED]

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in uk.culture.language.english)

[Molly Mockford]

At 14:07:09 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Peter Duncanson
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in
<nvbv98havhff5d365...@4ax.com>:

As a rough rule of thumb, Scots (who claim we invented scones) pronounce
the word "sconz", and the English pronounce it "scownes". The Queen,
being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".

Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...
--
Molly Mockford
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[John Briggs]

On 11/11/2012 15:10, Molly Mockford wrote:
> At 14:07:09 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Peter Duncanson
> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in
> <nvbv98havhff5d365...@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz
>> <dieterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> (In case there is anybody here)
>>>
>>> In Australia, all old ladies, when expecting visitors,
>>> make a batch of scones. We pronounce it like "sconz".
>>> Here in Denmark, they have caught on (but with raisins)
>>> and people pronounce it as in "cones" with an s in front.
>>> How do Brits say it?
>>
>> Both ways of pronouncing it are heard in Britain. This is psrtly
>> geographic. Some people use the long o (oh) as in "goat"; others use the
>> short o as in "pot" or "option". [Pronunciation guide from the OED]
>
> As a rough rule of thumb, Scots (who claim we invented scones) pronounce
> the word "sconz", and the English pronounce it "scownes". The Queen,
> being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".
>
> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...

The stoon of Scoon?
--
John Briggs

[David D S]

Is there a moose loose aboot the hoos?

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valid for at least 2 weeks from 2012/11/12 0:29:55

[Molly Mockford]

At 16:16:39 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com>
wrote in <IbQns.212423$g62.1...@fx06.am4>:

>On 11/11/2012 15:10, Molly Mockford wrote:
>> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...
>
>The stoon of Scoon?

Certainly not - stone is pronounced as stain, although scone never is.
:-)

[Dev]

In article <yGnwxyWb$7nQ...@molly.mockford>,

Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
> At 14:07:09 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Peter Duncanson
> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in
> <nvbv98havhff5d365...@4ax.com>:

> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz
> ><dieterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>(In case there is anybody here)
> >>
> >>In Australia, all old ladies, when expecting visitors,
> >>make a batch of scones. We pronounce it like "sconz".
> >>Here in Denmark, they have caught on (but with raisins)
> >>and people pronounce it as in "cones" with an s in front.
> >>How do Brits say it?
> >
> >Both ways of pronouncing it are heard in Britain. This is psrtly
> >geographic. Some people use the long o (oh) as in "goat"; others use the
> >short o as in "pot" or "option". [Pronunciation guide from the OED]

> As a rough rule of thumb, Scots (who claim we invented scones) pronounce
> the word "sconz", and the English pronounce it "scownes".

I've never heard anyone pronounce it to rhyme with 'crowns'! ;-)

And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish speak
Gaelic, don't they?

> The Queen, being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".

But by analogy with Obama, she's quite obviously just 'Scottish'.

> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...

Unless you pronounce spoon to rhyme with 'crown' as the English probably do.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Shivaya namaha

[Dev]

In article <ZQZaUVXi...@molly.mockford>,

Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
> At 16:16:39 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, John Briggs <john.b...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote in <IbQns.212423$g62.1...@fx06.am4>:

> >On 11/11/2012 15:10, Molly Mockford wrote:
> >> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...
> >
> >The stoon of Scoon?

> Certainly not - stone is pronounced as stain, although scone never is.
> :-)

So is the "Stain of Scoon" anything like the "Scowns of Staines"? he asked
in all innocence..

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Vishnu-vallabhaya namaha

[John Hall]

In article <52ed0a002...@no.spam.invalid>,

Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:
>And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish speak
>Gaelic, don't they?

I'd guess that only about 10% of Scots can speak Gaelic. It might be a
lot less even than that.
--
John Hall

"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2

[Molly Mockford]

At 17:43:28 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk>
wrote in <KaT4QTBA...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>:

>In article <52ed0a002...@no.spam.invalid>,
> Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:
>>And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish speak
>>Gaelic, don't they?
>
>I'd guess that only about 10% of Scots can speak Gaelic. It might be a
>lot less even than that.

According to Wikipedia, "The 2001 UK Census showed that a total of
58,652 (1.2% of the Scottish population aged over three years old) in
Scotland could speak Gaelic at that time, with the Outer Hebrides being
the main stronghold of the language".

[Whiskers]

On 2012-11-11, Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
> At 14:07:09 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Peter Duncanson
> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in
> <nvbv98havhff5d365...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz
>><dieterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>(In case there is anybody here)
>>>
>>>In Australia, all old ladies, when expecting visitors,
>>>make a batch of scones. We pronounce it like "sconz".
>>>Here in Denmark, they have caught on (but with raisins)
>>>and people pronounce it as in "cones" with an s in front.
>>>How do Brits say it?
>>
>>Both ways of pronouncing it are heard in Britain. This is psrtly
>>geographic. Some people use the long o (oh) as in "goat"; others use the
>>short o as in "pot" or "option". [Pronunciation guide from the OED]
>
> As a rough rule of thumb, Scots (who claim we invented scones) pronounce
> the word "sconz", and the English pronounce it "scownes". The Queen,
> being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".
>
> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...

Stone being one of the ingredients that must be omitted from scones if at
all possible.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

[Whiskers]

On 2012-11-11, Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <yGnwxyWb$7nQ...@molly.mockford>,
> Molly Mockford <nospam...@mollymockford.me.uk> wrote:
>> At 14:07:09 on Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Peter Duncanson
>> <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote in
>> <nvbv98havhff5d365...@4ax.com>:
>
>> >On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC), Dieter Britz
>> ><dieterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>(In case there is anybody here)
>> >>
>> >>In Australia, all old ladies, when expecting visitors,
>> >>make a batch of scones. We pronounce it like "sconz".
>> >>Here in Denmark, they have caught on (but with raisins)
>> >>and people pronounce it as in "cones" with an s in front.
>> >>How do Brits say it?
>> >
>> >Both ways of pronouncing it are heard in Britain. This is psrtly
>> >geographic. Some people use the long o (oh) as in "goat"; others use the
>> >short o as in "pot" or "option". [Pronunciation guide from the OED]
>
>> As a rough rule of thumb, Scots (who claim we invented scones) pronounce
>> the word "sconz", and the English pronounce it "scownes".
>
> I've never heard anyone pronounce it to rhyme with 'crowns'! ;-)
>
> And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish speak
> Gaelic, don't they?

No.

>> The Queen, being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".
>
> But by analogy with Obama, she's quite obviously just 'Scottish'.

Monarchs are above nationality.

>> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...
>
> Unless you pronounce spoon to rhyme with 'crown' as the English probably do.

Not within my hearing.

[Dev]

In article <KaT4QTBA...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,

John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52ed0a002...@no.spam.invalid>,
> Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:
> >And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish
> >speak Gaelic, don't they?

> I'd guess that only about 10% of Scots can speak Gaelic. It might be a
> lot less even than that.

But what percentage of the English pronounce scones as 'scownes'? According
to Molly, it's all of 'em.

I'd guess there was a whoosh.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Praja-pataye namaha

[Dev]

In article <slrnk9vqsj.2...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,

What! Not even as a rough rule of thumb?

> >> The Queen, being the daughter of a Scottish mother, says "sconz".
> >
> > But by analogy with Obama, she's quite obviously just 'Scottish'.

> Monarchs are above nationality.

Erm..yes...that's why they're called monarchs.

> >> Then there's the Stone of Scone, which rhymes with spoon...
> >
> > Unless you pronounce spoon to rhyme with 'crown' as the English
> > probably do.

> Not within my hearing.

Nor do they pronounce scones as 'scownes' within my hearing.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Ambika nadhaya namaha

[Peter Duncanson]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:23:46 +0000 (GMT), Dev

Unless the "own" in "scownes" rhymes with the word "own" (rhyming with
loan and bone).

[Dev]

In article <kb20a8p62imubsutd...@4ax.com>, Peter Duncanson

Nor do they pronounce scones as 'scownes' rhyming with 'own', 'loan' and
'bone' within my hearing.

Let me be clear: I hear English people (not Scottish people) and they
pronounce the word 'sconz'.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Vama-devaya namaha

[Ian Clifton]

Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:


[...]

>
> Nor do they pronounce scones as 'scownes' rhyming with 'own', 'loan' and
> 'bone' within my hearing.
>
> Let me be clear: I hear English people (not Scottish people) and they
> pronounce the word 'sconz'.

I believe this question was once considered in an episode of “The
Goodies”, with the Tim Brooke‐Taylor character insisting on “sconz”. I
pronounce scones as “scownes” rhyming with “own”, “loan” and “bone”,
although, admittedly, not within your hearing.

--
Ian ◎

[John Hall]

In article <agak4b...@mid.individual.net>,

Ian Clifton <ian.c...@chem.ox.ac.uk> writes:
>Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:
>
>
>[...]
>
>>
>> Nor do they pronounce scones as 'scownes' rhyming with 'own', 'loan' and
>> 'bone' within my hearing.
>>
>> Let me be clear: I hear English people (not Scottish people) and they
>> pronounce the word 'sconz'.
>
>I believe this question was once considered in an episode of “The

>Goodies”, with the Tim Brooke?Taylor character insisting on “sconz”. I

>pronounce scones as “scownes” rhyming with “own”, “loan” and
>“bone”,
>although, admittedly, not within your hearing.
>

Me too, and I'm English.

[John Briggs]

As rough rule of thumb, the Scots don't speak Gaelic.
--
John Briggs

[Dieter Britz]

Wow, and I thought that this ng was dead! Lots of answers,
thanks everybody. I guess in Australia the Scottish version
took hold, probably also in New Zealand.

--
Dieter Britz

[Dev]

In article <lQXns.1302$GX....@fx01.am4>,

Oh, I dunno. It's about as useful a rough rule of thumb as that the English
pronounce scones with a long 'o'.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Pancha-vaktraya namaha

[Dev]

In article <k7qfov$jk6$1...@dont-email.me>,

Sorry Dieter, it isn't "the Scottish version"; it's merely the version with
the short 'o'.

--
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Jagad-gurave namaha

[Whiskers]

On 2012-11-11, Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <KaT4QTBA...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
> John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <52ed0a002...@no.spam.invalid>,
>> Dev <spam...@no.spam.invalid> writes:
>> >And as a rule of thumb, English people speak English but the Scottish
>> >speak Gaelic, don't they?
>
>> I'd guess that only about 10% of Scots can speak Gaelic. It might be a
>> lot less even than that.
>
> But what percentage of the English pronounce scones as 'scownes'? According
> to Molly, it's all of 'em.

You're most likely to hear it in the south of England, in posh circles.
The oh-ness of the vowel is very variable, there isn't a distinct split
between /A./ and /o/, it's more of a spectrum.

On the cream-tea front, there is a distinct split between Devon where they
use scones and Cornwall where they use splits (which are not the same thing
at all).

> I'd guess there was a whoosh.

Scones are for eating, not talking.

[Whiskers]

You're more likely to hear them speaking Scots or Doric.