Entrepreneurs wanted in the UK
Chris Taylor
products and services you are interested in.
This unique offer is your opportunity to begin to do what you have
always wanted to do - sell mostly for yourself.
We will provide you with the systems, the administration, the accounting
and product sourcing capabilities from our offices, which can act as
your home location even if you never come here - you provide all the
marketing, sales and sales management and you grow the associated staff.
Your personal rewards are totally under your own control but we expect
you to earn at least £100k.
For more information contact Chris on 01494 868868
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Chris Taylor
email: ch...@ultrastore.com
web: www.ultrastore.com
tel: (0044) 1494 868 868
fax: (0044) 1494 862 200
Steve Jones
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> Chris Taylor
> email: ch...@ultrastore.com
> web: www.ultrastore.com
> tel: (0044) 1494 868 868
> fax: (0044) 1494 862 200
What a load of bollox and a crap website too.
webmaster
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Chris Taylor
only someone would do all paperwork and legal stuff for them.
That's what we do - all the boring admin bits. In exchange you do all
the exciting bits of marketing and sales and the pairing works together
to make something very worthwhile.
In addition we can even do all the delivery side for you - if that's
what you want - so you just have to market and sell.
You choose the product/service, you market and sell that
product/service, we stand behind you and provide all the support you
need to make a success of it.
Dave Minter
Chris,
I think the problem people have with this is that it sounds a lot like a
"Make Money Fast" scheme, where you're actually selling a "starter pack"
and the chances of making money are remote to impossible. Alternatively it
could be a pyramid scheme where the only way to actually make money is by
enrolling others in the same scheme (see Albanaian economy, collapse of).
If this is what you're up to, I doubt you'll get many takers in this sort
of form, since most contractors and consultants are pretty savvy.
Perhaps I'm misjudging you, but the amateurish website and claims of "at
least 100K per year" don't do much to reassure us. Anyway, that's why the
responses have been somewhat flippant...
If you're legit, exactly what services and products do you sell, how much
do you charge, what additional materials are required for someone working
through your company, and how long have you been in business ?
Now, if you want someone to design you a decent website, perhaps I can
help... ;-)
Regards,
Dave.
Snail
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>We are not into giving free gifts to those who can make it themselves if
>only someone would do all paperwork and legal stuff for them.
However you are so proud of what you do that you don't even reveal that
on your website. Not a very encouraging start. If you want people to
take you seriously, you need to be a bit more transparent.
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Chris Taylor
>>We are not into giving free gifts to those who can make it themselves if
>>only someone would do all paperwork and legal stuff for them.
>
>However you are so proud of what you do that you don't even reveal that
>on your website. Not a very encouraging start. If you want people to
>take you seriously, you need to be a bit more transparent.
The full text of our message - which appears on most of our current
adverts does explain in more detail what we do - perhaps I should have
put a longer posting in this newsgroup the first time and not tried to
keep it shorter. This is the fuller text...
***********************
This is your chance to sell and/or manage sales of any re-sellable
products and services you are interested in.
This unique offer is your opportunity to begin to do what you have
always wanted to do - sell mostly for yourself.
We will provide you with the systems, the administration, the accounting
and product sourcing capabilities from our offices, which can act as
your home location even if you never come here - you provide all the
marketing, sales and sales management and customer service and you grow
the associated staff.
Your personal rewards are totally under your own control but we expect
you to earn at least £100k.
Details:
You must identify to us the business you want to run and demonstrate
that you have thought it through and can illustrate how it will operate
and how it will be profitable. We will not perform an in-depth analysis
or appraisal of your business concept but we will try to ensure that
there is a valid path to a profit and that our time investment has a
good chance of not being wasted.
You will be providing all the marketing and marketing collateral and all
the sales efforts, including all the sales management and sales
recruitment and all the customer-service related operations. This puts
you totally in control of the sales-related side of the business.
We will provide you with the necessary administration and internal
systems located here; all the bookkeeping and internal accountancy
services required including the invoicing and payroll; any product
sourcing assistance needed. You can use our offices as a primary trading
address and registered office. All you need do is to market and sell
your product/service.
We will charge your business a fee of an agreed percentage of net sales
for the services we provide - so no sales means no fees.
Net sales is defined as the gross sales (the sales turnover) less the
costs of the bought-in product/service (cost of goods) less the costs of
other (non-related) staff involved in marketing and sales (costs of
salaries) less the costs of marketing and less the costs of any
additional services bought from us - that leaves an amount of income
left over for you and us to share. (Note that employment of and payment
of yourself and any related staff - wife, children, parents, cousins etc
- comes out of your share of net income, rather than generally out of
costs of staff)
Optionally we can also organise and deliver the product/service for you
- these costs would come out of your gross sales - so again no
deliveries, no fees.
The business will be 100% owned by you - the salesperson - but the net
income will be split 15% to us for our services and 85% to you.
Should we be asked to provide additional services then we will charge a
mutually agreed amount on each provision of that service and that amount
will reduce the net income prior to it being shared.
For more information contact Chris on 01494 868868
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Our ultrastore.com website is not a selling vehicle - as some of you
observed, we do have many other web sites that do the specific roles
they are required to.
We have not allocated a website to sell this real-world service and feel
no particular need to have one. Perhaps I will change my mind on this
matter.
This though is a real-world offer - not Internet related at all - to try
to help very competent salespeople around a problem many of them face.
They can sell (or feel they can sell) and would sell for themselves for
their own company if only they had the knowledge and the admin skills
and patience needed to do all the necessary but relatively boring bits
of actually running a company.
Our offer is a genuine attempt to help them succeed. Marketing and sales
is not our forte - admin and organisation is and has been for almost 30
years.
Snail
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>><Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>>>We are not into giving free gifts to those who can make it themselves if
>>>only someone would do all paperwork and legal stuff for them.
>>
>>However you are so proud of what you do that you don't even reveal that
>>on your website. Not a very encouraging start. If you want people to
>>take you seriously, you need to be a bit more transparent.
>
>The full text of our message - which appears on most of our current
I'll try again. Are you expecting me to supply the product for sale, or
are you supplying it? If the latter what is it?
Chris Taylor
>>><Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>>>>We are not into giving free gifts to those who can make it themselves if
>>>>only someone would do all paperwork and legal stuff for them.
>>>
>>>However you are so proud of what you do that you don't even reveal that
>>>on your website. Not a very encouraging start. If you want people to
>>>take you seriously, you need to be a bit more transparent.
>>
>>The full text of our message - which appears on most of our current
>
>I'll try again. Are you expecting me to supply the product for sale, or
>are you supplying it? If the latter what is it?
I said we will help you with any product sourcing you may need - all you
need do is identify whatever it is that you want to sell, if you need
help in sourcing that product we will help you but you ought to have
some idea how to acquire the product or service you want to sell.
We do not supply you with a product that you have to sell - we could,
because we have many products available - there is no way of reading
what I have said to imply that you should sell what we supply. If I have
created that impression then please tell me where and I will change the
text to make it clearer.
You do need to be able to acquire the product that you want to sell -
credit terms and such we can possibly help you with - we would not be
keen to be involved with any concern that wants to buy product, put it
into stock and then eventually sell it.
Does that help you - one more time.
Snail
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>>
>>I'll try again. Are you expecting me to supply the product for sale, or
>>are you supplying it? If the latter what is it?
>
>because we have many products available - there is no way of reading
>what I have said to imply that you should sell what we supply. If I have
>created that impression then please tell me where and I will change the
>text to make it clearer.
Understood. The problem I have with any one page website that is that it
looks like a 'come on'. Thats what I was getting at. If the you are
required to email someone for information, rather than reading the
website, it gives that impression. MLM comes to mind. You have a limited
amount of time to get someone's attention if they are not terribly
interested in the first place. I wouldn't mind betting that others came
to the same (incorrect) conclusion that I did.
As for product sourcing, I would have thought that most people selling a
product already have that sorted out. But then again this is not
something I am familiar with. I create what I sell, so product sourcing
doesn't really apply.
Cheers
Stephen
Alan Terry
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>>I'll try again. Are you expecting me to supply the product for sale, or
>>are you supplying it? If the latter what is it?
>
>I said we will help you with any product sourcing you may need - all you
>need do is identify whatever it is that you want to sell, if you need
>help in sourcing that product we will help you but you ought to have
>some idea how to acquire the product or service you want to sell.
It seems to me that they are simply offering a 'back-office' service for
people who run their own business, but don't want to do admin, etc
themselves or employ individuals directly to do it.
If this is so, their description is a little convoluted (which may be
from a deliberate marketing decision to distinguish their services from
others).
The real USP seems to be not what they do or how they do it, but in the
charging structure - no turnover, no fee - high turnover, high fees.
Personally, I wouldn't consider paying a typist, printer, book-keeper or
secretary on a % of turnover, so I wouldn't in this case either.
Alan ............
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Alan Terry
Chris Taylor
You will note Alan that we do not charge a percentage of turnover, we
have no way of predicting the costs of sales - so that could work out
very large - so we charge a percentage of net sales after most costs. IF
you had a business selling £1m of product or service and made enough
margin to take £100k hone yourself then we would only be charging £15k.
Can you hire a secretary, typist and book-keeper for only £15k a year?
Snail
<al...@successful.demon.co.uk> writes
>It seems to me that they are simply offering a 'back-office' service for
>people who run their own business, but don't want to do admin, etc
>themselves or employ individuals directly to do it.
That was my first conclusion. Then I visited their website and decided
my original conclusion was incorrect and that it was some sort of MLM
company - hence my attitude. Turns out I was wrong.
Chris Whitworth
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> writes
>This is your chance to sell and/or manage sales of any re-sellable
>products and services you are interested in.
>
>This unique offer is your opportunity to begin to do what you have
>always wanted to do - sell mostly for yourself.
>
>We will provide you with the systems, the administration, the accounting
>and product sourcing capabilities from our offices, which can act as
>your home location even if you never come here - you provide all the
>marketing, sales and sales management and you grow the associated staff.
>
>Your personal rewards are totally under your own control but we expect
>you to earn at least £100k.
>
>For more information contact Chris on 01494 868868
>
described free (at least for a short time) via Business Link or
University incubators etc. I've worked on such schemes. Sorry folks at
Ultra... It doesn't look viable to me!
Chris Whitworth (MBA, Dipwem)
Process Applications and Business Strategy Consultancy
Email: ch...@environmental-monitoring.co.uk
Website: WWW.Environmental-monitoring.co.uk
Chris Taylor
Thanks for your observations Chris --- we have worked with other
incubators in the past.
Where did you do your MBA, we worked last year with many MBA students
who were involved with incubators - though most of the incubators at
colleges restricted themselves to working only with their students.
It looks very viable to us - it is cheap for the new business (but not
free) - and is designed to help. It uses our expertise where we want to
put it, which is not necessarily for short term gains. As you will be
aware most businesses need solid foundations to grow from and many
sales-led or entrepreneurial soles do not find access to government
funded or inspired 'assistance' to be of much practical use or easy to
get.
Marcus Williamson
From the website:
"We work through a large number of separate and distinct web sites,
this particular web site address is merely a holding address and is
not used for displaying the breadth of our offerings."
So, why not provide links to these other websites? All sounds a bit
shady, doesn't it?
regards
Marcus
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:48:58 +0000, Chris Taylor
<Ch...@ultrastore.com> wrote:
Chris Taylor
>
>"We work through a large number of separate and distinct web sites,
>this particular web site address is merely a holding address and is
>not used for displaying the breadth of our offerings."
>
>So, why not provide links to these other websites? All sounds a bit
>shady, doesn't it?
>
>regards
>Marcus
We were posting an entry in a newsgroup that does not relate to all our
other businesses - and so used a web site address that deliberately had
no content to stop irrelevancies and carping about the quality of our
sites. We are not offering a web based service here - it is real world.
What we do on the Internet has no relationship to what we are offering
here.
We are involved in over 40 separate businesses - some of which help each
other and some of which are distinct from the others. The ultrastore.com
web site says what I have said - we do not show the breadth of our
offerings on that web site - and why should you think that is shady
behaviour?
Why does your own email not proclaim your interest in genetically
modified food, or the 3210 newsgroup postings you have made (according
to google) - is that a little 'fishy'? If course it is not - it is
irrelevant to the conversation, just as what ultrastore.com does is
irrelevant to this conversation too.
--
Chris Taylor
email: ch...@ultrastore.com
tel: (0044) 1494 868 868
Peter Saxton
Marcus Williamson
>it is irrelevant to the conversation, just as what ultrastore.com does is
>irrelevant to this conversation too.
The URL for that site is included in your signature, so seems to be
very relevant to this conversation.
OK, let's try this again... What is the URL for the site which
describes the services which you offer?
regards
Marcus
Chris Taylor
>
>>it is irrelevant to the conversation, just as what ultrastore.com does is
>>irrelevant to this conversation too.
>
>The URL for that site is included in your signature, so seems to be
>very relevant to this conversation.
>
>OK, let's try this again... What is the URL for the site which
>describes the services which you offer?
>
>regards
>Marcus
We do not maintain a url to describe what we are offering here - I
apologise for including the ultrastore.com url in the original text as
it has obviously caused you some problems.
Imagine a real world business that does not operate on the Internet -
that is what we are!
Marcus Williamson
>We do not maintain a url to describe what we are offering here - I
>apologise for including the ultrastore.com url in the original text as
>it has obviously caused you some problems.
>
>Imagine a real world business that does not operate on the Internet -
>that is what we are!
Why not at least create a site to describe the services you offer?
Then people won't have to exchange several e-mails with you to find
out what you're about.
regards
Marcus
Chris Taylor
explain that we are a real world enterprise to those people who need the
re-assurance that a real world company really needs a web site to say
that.
It will probably say the same as the first posting - extended to include
the extras that people asked for - so that those who need to can
discover the secrets behind what we do.
We provide a service to all those in the UK who know the product/service
they can sell but who fear the obligations and responsibilities of
starting a complete business or those who lack the money, the experience
and in some cases the desire to manage non-sales people.
There is nothing sinister in what we do - if you can sell anything then
we can assist you.
We do not restrict our help to a particular speciality - like
accountancy - because there are many, many things a new company with a
strong sales urge can need.
We are facilitators - we can supply all the basics - office space,
secretarial help, book-keeping, accountancy, financial administration,
purchasing, warehousing, distribution, advertising, marketing, computer
systems, web hosting services, web site development, web systems,
internal computer systems, time and advice - we do not and cannot supply
sales or customer support.
When necessary we will employ other external specialists to provide
services we find our clients need - if anyone out there has a
specialisation to offer then we will be interested in talking. Where
possible these specialists become part of our organisation - in a loose
way.
Hope that helps you.
Peter Cooper
Yes. A lot of 30 year old ex-Mondeo-driving contractors are currently
snapping up such positions.
Pete