Training Rooms Required UK wide
Mel
locations London, Oxford, Swindon, Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff, Glasgow,
Edinburgh and Aberdeen.
Min Spec
Intel compatible PCs with 333mhz CPU
64mb Ram on Win95/98 or 128mb Ram on Win2000/NT
Minimum 700mb free hard disc space
10 delegates
Projection Equipment
Please provide details to ad...@kitetraining.com, include details on
support infrastructure.
Also provide details on luncheon availability
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Vega
grabbing with no interest in quality.
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"Mel" <kit...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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Roger Spencelayh
> 10 delegates is unproductive and unprofessional.
>
> 10 delegates is unproductive and unprofessional.
>
Have to agree with you there.
> This spanks of money grabbing with no interest in quality.
>
Now don't be too hard on Kite; it may not be their fault. A large company (not a training
company) I have worked with in the past upgraded their training rooms last year. The were all
set up for 12 people per course. Seems in some cases it's the end client who's penny pinching.
Kind regards
Roger Spencelayh
Computing Services
http://compservonline.co.uk
dum de dum dum
one of your courses.
Its depends what course you are teaching for it to be unproductive.
Lots of kit and hands on then it may be,
but for a course with more theory then maybe not...
"Roger Spencelayh" <spenc...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Roger Spencelayh
> In the current climate I guarantee you wouldn't turn down 10+ students on
> one of your courses.
>
Would depend on the course. Take one of my standard Excel VBA Courses, 2 days optimised for 6
students. Put 10 students on it, and the chances are we won't get through the content. I would
probably argue that with 10 on the course, they should extend it to 3 days.
> Its depends what course you are teaching for it to be unproductive.
>
Agreed, but most of the courses I do these days are at the higher level, where often the content
is quite tailored. The problem these days seems to be finding 10 students at a similar level. As
an extreme example, last year I had a class of 8 on a Lotus 123 to Excel 2000 Conversion course.
One of the students had never used a spreadsheet program in his life, and another had about 17
years experience of 123 and had used Excel 95 for about 3 years in a previous job.
I know this is a different problem, and should have been handled by the client in a training
needs analysis, but it is typical of the "bums on seats" approach taken by many these days. In
the end, if it all goes wrong, they can always blame the Trainer/Training Company.
> Lots of kit and hands on then it may be,
> but for a course with more theory then maybe not...
>
Most of my courses are end-user application training, so although there is some theory (database
introductions for example) it's mostly hands-on.
Thomas Lee
<noc_vinc...@THETRASHhotmail.com> writes
>10 delegates is unproductive and unprofessional. This spanks of money
>grabbing with no interest in quality.
I think this very much depends on the course and the students. Most of
my classes are for 12-16 students and there certainly is no lack of
productivity or professionalism. And I regularly teach 26 (Learning
Tree) so I know large classes can be productive and professional!
The largest 'class' I ever taught was for around 1100 people at TechEd a
few years ago. We certainly were able to cover a fair degree of material
in the 2 1/2 hour sessions.
At the end of the day, the real measure is just how much a student can
retain after the course completes. A balance of theory followed by
practice is required - and as long as the hands-on labs are well
designed and written, large classes can be just fine. At least in my
experience (I've been doing PC training for around 20 years).
Certainly, the more students you can put into a class, the more
profitable it can be for the organiser, assuming the trainer can deal
with it. Having said that, not every trainer is capable of handling
large auduiences - the dynamics are certainly different! In some cases,
putting 2 trainers in a class (with the second being there to help with
hands on) can both be profitable for the organiser and useful for the
student.
My preference is for between 12-16 students. For me this yields the best
range of experiences and provides the opportunity for good discussion.
My 2 pence worth.
Thomas
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Mel Nethercott
Its a very very difficult market place, and correct me if i'm wrong, are
we not supposed to listen to our clients needs and requirements.
The client wants 10 delegates and that is what I have to aim for, if you
looked at my site you would see that we normally only offer up to six.
Anybody out there care to offer something constructive for me ??
Mel
Davie
for a year.
Email me if you want a contact...
Dave Gillen
"Mel Nethercott" <kit...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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Mel Nethercott
Is it not my responsibility to cater to my clients needs ??
It is a bespoke roll-out with everyone new to the application, the
client wants to have 10 on a course to make it cost effective.......
and i am listening to their requirements.... like a professional should
!!
I thought this forum was to help colleagues and like minded
professionals, maybe you shouldn't stoop to criticizing before knowing
the facts !!!!
Thank you
Mel
Roger Spencelayh
> Wow ... thanks for all the positive comments folks .... NOT !
>
If you read my original post in this thread, which was in response to Vega's post, I was defending
you on the basis that you were responding to client's requirements.
The reason I haven't given any suggestions for a training location is the best I can come up with
is for 8 students.
Mel Nethercott
Andy Birbeck
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> K.I.T.E. require training rooms to rent early 2003 at the following
> locations London, Oxford, Swindon, Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff, Glasgow,
> Edinburgh and Aberdeen.
>
> Min Spec
> Intel compatible PCs with 333mhz CPU
> 64mb Ram on Win95/98 or 128mb Ram on Win2000/NT
> Minimum 700mb free hard disc space
> 10 delegates
> Projection Equipment
>
> Please provide details to ad...@kitetraining.com, include details on
> support infrastructure.
> Also provide details on luncheon availability
Hi Me,
Why not ask ITPC, you already know they provide rooms UK wide ???
and we can save you all time
John Humphris
Our air conditioned training rooms seat up to 12 and the kit easily meets
your requirements. Please see www.trainingroomhire.co.uk We are in central
London.
Regards
John Humphris
The Training Room Hire Company
jo...@trainingroomhire.co.uk
www.trainingroomhire.co.uk
"Andy Birbeck" <an...@itpc.co.uk> wrote in message
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as far as I know London School of Economics is offering training facilities for very reasonable money. We're using it to give advanced trainings for excel. Have look at our website at www.analystbootcamplondon.com.
They offer rooms for up to 30 people from 185£ and it's in central London.
Good luck!
Calvin