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Bob
Aug 27, 2010, 1:04:29 PM8/27/10
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$29! I don't f*cking think so!
Anyone got a crack for this?
J. J. Lodder
Aug 27, 2010, 2:08:36 PM8/27/10
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<Bob> wrote:
> $29! I don't f*cking think so!
>
> Anyone got a crack for this?
Come on. Just pay up.
Dollars are worth next to nothing these days,
Jan
eastender
Dec 16, 2020, 11:05:49 AM12/16/20
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On 2010-08-27 17:04:29 +0000, Bob said:
> $29! I don't f*cking think so!
>
> Anyone got a crack for this?
Unison hasn't been sold or supported for several years. There are
> $29! I don't f*cking think so!
>
> Anyone got a crack for this?
cracked versions of 2.1.10 available - don't use v 2.2 Also, I see that
it doesn't work properly on Big Sur - best to buy Usenapp and support a
current developer.
https://www.usenapp.com
eastender
Dec 16, 2020, 11:12:47 AM12/16/20
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On 2020-12-16 16:11:05 +0000, Alan B said:
> I tried Unison 2.2 on Big Sur only yesterday. I wish I hadn't! Usenapp is
> coming along very nicely and I recommend it too.
Oops - I accidentally hit the date sort and was replying to a very old
post - still no harm in bigging up Usenapp.
> coming along very nicely and I recommend it too.
Oops - I accidentally hit the date sort and was replying to a very old
post - still no harm in bigging up Usenapp.
nospam
Dec 16, 2020, 11:14:21 AM12/16/20
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In article <2020121616054722956-nospam@nospamcom>, eastender
when they discontinued it in 2014, they made it free.
it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
asked for money for it.
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 2010-08-27 17:04:29 +0000, Bob said:
>
> > $29! I don't f*cking think so!
> >
> > Anyone got a crack for this?
>
> Unison hasn't been sold or supported for several years.
you're replying to a post from 2010.
> On 2010-08-27 17:04:29 +0000, Bob said:
>
> > $29! I don't f*cking think so!
> >
> > Anyone got a crack for this?
>
> Unison hasn't been sold or supported for several years.
when they discontinued it in 2014, they made it free.
it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
asked for money for it.
Ian McCall
Dec 16, 2020, 12:17:11 PM12/16/20
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On 16 Dec 2020, nospam wrote
(in article<161220201114078799%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
> asked for money for it.
I liked Unison and used it for years - perfectly good for me -but-...the 1.x
version (can’t quite remember - 1.8.something I think). I did a
jump-before-pushed move over to Hogwasher when moving to 64 bit and all fine
here for me.
Usenapp...I’ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
on the App Store wherever I can. I have remarkably few non-App Store things
now (other than the mad world of music plugins, but therein lies an essay in
its own right, and one I’ve written before).
Cheers,
Ian
(in article<161220201114078799%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
> asked for money for it.
version (can’t quite remember - 1.8.something I think). I did a
jump-before-pushed move over to Hogwasher when moving to 64 bit and all fine
here for me.
Usenapp...I’ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
on the App Store wherever I can. I have remarkably few non-App Store things
now (other than the mad world of music plugins, but therein lies an essay in
its own right, and one I’ve written before).
Cheers,
Ian
J. J. Lodder
Dec 16, 2020, 5:07:12 PM12/16/20
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Ian McCall <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2020, nospam wrote
> (in article<161220201114078799%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
>
> > it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
> > asked for money for it.
>
> I liked Unison and used it for years - perfectly good for me -but-...the 1.x
> version (can't quite remember - 1.8.something I think). I did a
> jump-before-pushed move over to Hogwasher when moving to 64 bit and all fine
> here for me.
Unison 1.8.1 is fine, and has always been fine.
> On 16 Dec 2020, nospam wrote
> (in article<161220201114078799%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
>
> > it's not even worth free, but at least it's not as bad as when they
> > asked for money for it.
>
> I liked Unison and used it for years - perfectly good for me -but-...the 1.x
> version (can't quite remember - 1.8.something I think). I did a
> jump-before-pushed move over to Hogwasher when moving to 64 bit and all fine
> here for me.
A workhorse that does just what it is supposed to do.
Recommended.
No idea what the last system version is under which it will run,
Jan
Savageduck
Dec 16, 2020, 5:13:43 PM12/16/20
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On Dec 16, 2020, J. J. Lodder wrote
(in article<1p1ixby.wpg...@de-ster.xs4all.nl>):
Personally I preferred Unison1.8.1 to v 2.2. It last functioned in Mojave, but is dead in Catalina, and v 2.2 which works in Catalina, being unsupported looks to be on its way out in Big Sur.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
(in article<1p1ixby.wpg...@de-ster.xs4all.nl>):
--
Regards,
Savageduck
Mark
Dec 16, 2020, 6:03:52 PM12/16/20
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off line for a while. By the time it came back I was too used to Unison.
--
Cheers ... Mark
Bernd Froehlich
Dec 17, 2020, 2:31:42 AM12/17/20
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On 16. Dec 2020 at 18:17:07 CET, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:
> Usenapp...I’ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> on the App Store wherever I can.
I´m the other way round :-)
> Usenapp...I’ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> on the App Store wherever I can.
Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer´s
website.
-Direct contact.
-Faster Bugfixes.
-More money and less hassle for the developer.
nospam
Dec 17, 2020, 2:37:37 AM12/17/20
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In article <i40fqr...@mid.individual.net>, Bernd Froehlich
<be...@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>
> > Usenapp...I靶e not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer愀
> website.
> -Direct contact.
that' not always a benefit.
> -Faster Bugfixes.
not necessarily.
> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
<be...@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>
> > Usenapp...I靶e not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> > on the App Store wherever I can.
>
> I惴 the other way round :-)
>
> Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer愀
> website.
> -Direct contact.
that' not always a benefit.
> -Faster Bugfixes.
not necessarily.
> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
Ian McCall
Dec 17, 2020, 4:12:31 AM12/17/20
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On 17 Dec 2020, nospam wrote
(in article<171220200237376038%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> > > Usenapp...I¹ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> > Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer´s
For me I used to have multiple Macs I used almost daily, and keeping things
in sync was a pain. Now it’s more “here’s a new Mac. I shall set it up
by logging into iCloud and the App Store” and also keeping track of what I
actually own.
To be honest I don’t actually use that wide a range of non built-in
applications. Fantastical, 1Password, the formerly-known-as-iWork suite,
Hogwasher, WhatsApp desktop and Cathode (which sadly looks abandoned - I need
to search elsewhere for my silly retro terminal looks in the future I think).
Throw in the odd usage of Pixelmator and VMware Fusion Player and a few
utilities (Magnet, Floating, Daisy Disk) and you’ve got 99% of my non-music
machine usage.
Cheers,
Ian
(in article<171220200237376038%nos...@nospam.invalid>):
> > > Usenapp...I¹ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
> > > on the App Store wherever I can.
> >
> > I´m the other way round :-)
> >
> > Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer´s
> > website.
> > -Direct contact.
>
> that' not always a benefit.
>
> > -Faster Bugfixes.
>
> not necessarily.
>
> > -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>
> for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
Yes - it’s interesting and I fully accept there’s benefits and drawbacks.
> > -Direct contact.
>
> that' not always a benefit.
>
> > -Faster Bugfixes.
>
> not necessarily.
>
> > -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>
> for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
For me I used to have multiple Macs I used almost daily, and keeping things
in sync was a pain. Now it’s more “here’s a new Mac. I shall set it up
by logging into iCloud and the App Store” and also keeping track of what I
actually own.
To be honest I don’t actually use that wide a range of non built-in
applications. Fantastical, 1Password, the formerly-known-as-iWork suite,
Hogwasher, WhatsApp desktop and Cathode (which sadly looks abandoned - I need
to search elsewhere for my silly retro terminal looks in the future I think).
Throw in the odd usage of Pixelmator and VMware Fusion Player and a few
utilities (Magnet, Floating, Daisy Disk) and you’ve got 99% of my non-music
machine usage.
Cheers,
Ian
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Dec 17, 2020, 4:52:34 AM12/17/20
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On 17 Dec 2020 at 09:33:55 GMT, "Alan B"
<alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <i40fqr...@mid.individual.net>, Bernd Froehlich
>> <be...@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Usenapp...I¹ve not tried it because I really do want to centralise things
>>> Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer´s
> purchase price of an app and this rises to 85% in the second year of a
> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> sales?
It's been 30% flat since the start, until last month - now if you sell
under $1m/year they've changed the rates to 15%.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/18/apple-to-reduce-app-store-fees-for-small-businesses-with-under-1-million-in-revenues/
If you're a tactically significant partner you could always negotiate
special terms. That's the Netflix/Facebook/etc class of service. Those
agreements are not public, but some of the exemptions from the usual
policies are obvious by example - Facebook not being chopped from the
App Store when they enabled silent audio playing in order to bypass the
limits on how long they can be active in background, for instance.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Sent from my Amiga 1000
<alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <i40fqr...@mid.individual.net>, Bernd Froehlich
>> <be...@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> on the App Store wherever I can.
>>>
>>> I´m the other way round :-)
>>>
>>> Whenever I can, I avoid the App-Store and buy directly from the developer´s
>>> website.
>>> -Direct contact.
>>
>> that' not always a benefit.
>>
>>> -Faster Bugfixes.
>>
>> not necessarily.
>>
>>> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>>
>> for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
>>
>
> Correct me if I’m wrong but I understand that developers get 70% of the
>>> -Direct contact.
>>
>> that' not always a benefit.
>>
>>> -Faster Bugfixes.
>>
>> not necessarily.
>>
>>> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>>
>> for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
>>
>
> purchase price of an app and this rises to 85% in the second year of a
> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> sales?
It's been 30% flat since the start, until last month - now if you sell
under $1m/year they've changed the rates to 15%.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/18/apple-to-reduce-app-store-fees-for-small-businesses-with-under-1-million-in-revenues/
If you're a tactically significant partner you could always negotiate
special terms. That's the Netflix/Facebook/etc class of service. Those
agreements are not public, but some of the exemptions from the usual
policies are obvious by example - Facebook not being chopped from the
App Store when they enabled silent audio playing in order to bypass the
limits on how long they can be active in background, for instance.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Sent from my Amiga 1000
Chris Ridd
Dec 17, 2020, 5:28:57 AM12/17/20
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honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
me reconsider my opinion.
--
Chris
nospam
Dec 17, 2020, 9:30:26 AM12/17/20
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In article <rrf8m3$tmb$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>, Alan
payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
taxes), app updates and much more.
for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
B <alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> >> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
> >
> > for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
> >
>
> Correct me if Iąm wrong but I understand that developers get 70% of the
> >> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
> >
> > for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
> >
>
> purchase price of an app and this rises to 85% in the second year of a
> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> sales?
that 30% includes hosting, download bandwidth, app visibility, handling
> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> sales?
payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
taxes), app updates and much more.
for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
nospam
Dec 17, 2020, 9:30:27 AM12/17/20
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In article <rrfbt7$5bu$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com>
wrote:
> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
> me reconsider my opinion.
unison didn't 'fall apart' since it was broken from the start.
panic also did not bother hanging out in any of the mac newsgroups.
you'd think they might want to interact with the people who were using
it. they did not.
wrote:
> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
> me reconsider my opinion.
panic also did not bother hanging out in any of the mac newsgroups.
you'd think they might want to interact with the people who were using
it. they did not.
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Dec 17, 2020, 2:16:24 PM12/17/20
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On 17 Dec 2020 at 14:30:26 GMT, "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <rrf8m3$tmb$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>, Alan
> B <alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>
>> >> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>> >
>> > for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
>> >
>>
>> Correct me if I¹m wrong but I understand that developers get 70% of the
> In article <rrf8m3$tmb$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>, Alan
> B <alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
>
>> >> -More money and less hassle for the developer.
>> >
>> > for the app store yes. for self-hosting, absolutely not.
>> >
>>
>> purchase price of an app and this rises to 85% in the second year of a
>> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
>> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
>> sales?
>
> that 30% includes hosting, download bandwidth, app visibility, handling
> payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
> taxes), app updates and much more.
>
> for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
> there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
*Was* cheap, ten years ago.
>> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
>> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
>> sales?
>
> that 30% includes hosting, download bandwidth, app visibility, handling
> payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
> taxes), app updates and much more.
>
> for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
> there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
These days enabling the necessary features to add 'buy my software'
and/or 'download my software' to your Squarespace site will cost you
about $3/month on top of your base site fees.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
IIS is still popular in the public sector, where the two
highest priorities in IT are unfitness for purpose
and high cost.
-- Tony Houghton
nospam
Dec 17, 2020, 2:19:06 PM12/17/20
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In article <i41p45...@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> >> Correct me if I1m wrong but I understand that developers get 70% of the
> These days enabling the necessary features to add 'buy my software'
> and/or 'download my software' to your Squarespace site will cost you
> about $3/month on top of your base site fees.
that's just one tiny piece.
<jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> >> Correct me if I1m wrong but I understand that developers get 70% of the
> >> purchase price of an app and this rises to 85% in the second year of a
> >> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> >> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> >> sales?
> >
> > that 30% includes hosting, download bandwidth, app visibility, handling
> > payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
> > taxes), app updates and much more.
> >
> > for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
> > there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
>
> *Was* cheap, ten years ago.
it still is.
> >> subscription. So I guess a developer needs to weigh this up against the
> >> cost of self-hosting. I wonder if you can negotiate a better rate for high
> >> sales?
> >
> > that 30% includes hosting, download bandwidth, app visibility, handling
> > payments (including any fraud or chargebacks as well as international
> > taxes), app updates and much more.
> >
> > for most developers, particularly smaller ones, the app store is cheap.
> > there's no way they could do it on their own for less.
>
> *Was* cheap, ten years ago.
> These days enabling the necessary features to add 'buy my software'
> and/or 'download my software' to your Squarespace site will cost you
> about $3/month on top of your base site fees.
J. J. Lodder
Dec 17, 2020, 3:22:07 PM12/17/20
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but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
The project never got past of the teething troubles.
Not the only case: the 'complete rewrite' of MacSoup
as MacSoup v3 never materialised either.
It remained vapourware.
It seems that at a certain stage those projects
become too much for just one man,
and there isn't enough money in it to employ a team,
Jan
Chris Ridd
Dec 17, 2020, 4:05:34 PM12/17/20
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On 17/12/2020 20:22, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> It seems that at a certain stage those projects
> become too much for just one man,
> and there isn't enough money in it to employ a team,
Yes, that seems true. Usenapp is just from one man isn't it?
--
Chris
> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
>> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
>> me reconsider my opinion.
>
> Panic did 'good well behaved software',
> but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
Maybe, but in which case 1.8.x should have kept working.
>> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
>> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
>> me reconsider my opinion.
>
> Panic did 'good well behaved software',
> but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
> It seems that at a certain stage those projects
> become too much for just one man,
> and there isn't enough money in it to employ a team,
--
Chris
Ian McCall
Dec 17, 2020, 4:22:09 PM12/17/20
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On 17 Dec 2020, Chris Ridd wrote
(in article <rrgh6s$rlb$1...@dont-email.me>):
> On 17/12/2020 20:22, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
> > > honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
> > > me reconsider my opinion.
> >
> > Panic did 'good well behaved software',
> > but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
>
> Maybe, but in which case 1.8.x should have kept working.
It was 32 bit. That was the real reason - they never recompiled to 64, they
just went v2.x and made that 64 bit. Since I really didn’t like
2.x...that’s when I started looking.
Cheers,
Ian
(in article <rrgh6s$rlb$1...@dont-email.me>):
> On 17/12/2020 20:22, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
> > > honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
> > > me reconsider my opinion.
> >
> > Panic did 'good well behaved software',
> > but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
>
> Maybe, but in which case 1.8.x should have kept working.
just went v2.x and made that 64 bit. Since I really didn’t like
2.x...that’s when I started looking.
Cheers,
Ian
Chris Ridd
Dec 18, 2020, 5:46:58 AM12/18/20
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On 17/12/2020 21:22, Ian McCall wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2020, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <rrgh6s$rlb$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 17/12/2020 20:22, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
>>>> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
>>>> me reconsider my opinion.
>>>
>>> Panic did 'good well behaved software',
>>> but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
>>
>> Maybe, but in which case 1.8.x should have kept working.
>
> It was 32 bit. That was the real reason - they never recompiled to 64, they
Ah, I'd forgotten about that.
> On 17 Dec 2020, Chris Ridd wrote
> (in article <rrgh6s$rlb$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 17/12/2020 20:22, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> I always thought that Panic wrote good well behaved software, but
>>>> honestly the way that Unison fell apart over those OS releases has made
>>>> me reconsider my opinion.
>>>
>>> Panic did 'good well behaved software',
>>> but the complete rewrite as Unison v2 was too ambituous.
>>
>> Maybe, but in which case 1.8.x should have kept working.
>
> It was 32 bit. That was the real reason - they never recompiled to 64, they
> just went v2.x and made that 64 bit. Since I really didn’t like
> 2.x...that’s when I started looking.
the 2.x version.
--
Chris
J. J. Lodder
Dec 18, 2020, 6:47:08 AM12/18/20
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They couldn't easily have done that for a v.1.8.x
But I may well misremember,
Jan
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