Basic mac mini - Is 4Gb enough?

[Kit]

I'm thinking of getting a mac mini to gradually transition away from my
current G5. Most of my usage is word processing, web surfing,
occasional video (e.g,. iPlayer) watching. I don't do any video editing
and very little editing of still images.

Will the 4Gb RAM that comes with the basic mini be enough?

Thanks.

Kit

[Calum]

On 28/01/2014 14:16, Kit wrote:
>
> Will the 4Gb RAM that comes with the basic mini be enough?

Personal opinion: it's the bare minimum I'd go with on any new Mac, but
if you're only doing one or two of those things at once, then yes, it
should suffice.

My wife's old MacBook is running 10.8 on 4Gb and it does get a bit
sticky occasionally (partly because she's terrible at closing things
she's not using and she must have a couple of hundred icons on her
desktop -- not sure how much that slows things down these days), but I'd
hope the memory compression tricks that 10.9 does will improve things
somewhat when we get around to upgrading it.

--
Xbox: GallusNumpty Steam: scottishwildcat

[eastender]

On 2014-01-28 14:25:09 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> Probably. I put 8Gb in mine - or more accurately, as I was asking an
> outfit to install an SSD in it to have as the boot drive, I asked
> *them* to put the 8Gb in. That turns the base model into a nice little
> machine.

+1

8GB and an SSD in mine too. The 8GB does add headroom if you have quite
a few apps open and Safari can be a hog. The SSD is a must these days
in my opinion.

E.

[Kit]

In article <280120141425097474%timst...@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <280120141416119074%kity...@yahoo.com>, Kit

> Probably. I put 8Gb in mine - or more accurately, as I was asking an
> outfit to install an SSD in it to have as the boot drive, I asked
> *them* to put the 8Gb in. That turns the base model into a nice little
> machine.

I was considering getting the 8Gb version from Apple and then having an
SSD added as a second drive. I wouldn't dream of doing it myself and
got a quote to have it done (£229 inc VAT). The 'outfit' quote seemed
reasonable, but apparently it would invalidate the Apple warranty. So
isn't the loss of warranty a big risk?

Kit

[Richard Kettlewell]

I do all of the above on a 4GB MBA, without any trouble.

--
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

[Mark Bestley]

So do I - I then ran a Parallels VM and only that required more memory -
and possibly so programming I do.

Howebver given Apple's memory prices the solution id buy with 4G from
Apple see if it is OK and if not buy memory from Crucial etc. You would
be doing it this way anyway so just delay buying the memory untill you
see you need it.

--
Mark

[J. J. Lodder]

It's overkill,

Jan

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:23:31 +0000, news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
wrote:

This. 4gig is generally enough for domestic tasks - running virtual
machines or databases or professional-level photoshopping *may* want
more. If you're using mail, web, games, office stuff - no need.

One thing that all you 8gig people ought to know is that OSX expands
its usage to take up all available memory. It may or may not actually
need to have as much as it uses.

And yes, Mavericks' memory usage is better than Lion or ML ever were.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
I like my coffee how I like my women...
but I can't get coffee that's independent, intelligent and has a
career of its own. - Eric Jarvis, urs

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 28/01/2014 14:16, Kit wrote:
>

It'll be fine for this usage. If you can get to an Apple Store you can
always try one out.

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)

[Kit]

In article <245ge9d7293kuijo5...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:23:31 +0000, news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
> wrote:
>
> >Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> > I'm thinking of getting a mac mini to gradually transition away from my
> >> > current G5. Most of my usage is word processing, web surfing,
> >> > occasional video (e.g,. iPlayer) watching. I don't do any video editing
> >> > and very little editing of still images.
> >> >
> >> > Will the 4Gb RAM that comes with the basic mini be enough?
> >>
> >> I do all of the above on a 4GB MBA, without any trouble.
> >
> >So do I - I then ran a Parallels VM and only that required more memory -
> >and possibly so programming I do.
> >
> >Howebver given Apple's memory prices the solution id buy with 4G from
> >Apple see if it is OK and if not buy memory from Crucial etc. You would
> >be doing it this way anyway so just delay buying the memory untill you
> >see you need it.
>
> This. 4gig is generally enough for domestic tasks - running virtual
> machines or databases or professional-level photoshopping *may* want
> more. If you're using mail, web, games, office stuff - no need.

> Cheers - Jaimie

Thanks to all who responded.
I've just ordered the basic mac mini (4Gb) and delivery is expected
Thursday 30th Jan. Then I'll see how it goes and then decide whether or
not to have more RAM put in and/or an SSD drive added. Let's hope that
jumping from using Tiger on a G5 to using Mavericks on the mini won't
be too horrible!

Kit

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:33:27 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've just ordered the basic mac mini (4Gb) and delivery is expected
>Thursday 30th Jan. Then I'll see how it goes and then decide whether or
>not to have more RAM put in and/or an SSD drive added. Let's hope that
>jumping from using Tiger on a G5 to using Mavericks on the mini won't
>be too horrible!

It'll all be surprisingly familiar!

One thing that's really worth doing is getting hold of an external USB
hard drive, to set up Time Machine backups. 500gig or larger, bus
powered, USB3 for preference.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Being english is like visiting a zoo where all the
animals are other english people, in the rain.
-- Cyriak Harris

[Kit]

In article <djgge9hcedhl7a8jl...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:33:27 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I've just ordered the basic mac mini (4Gb) and delivery is expected
> >Thursday 30th Jan. Then I'll see how it goes and then decide whether or
> >not to have more RAM put in and/or an SSD drive added. Let's hope that
> >jumping from using Tiger on a G5 to using Mavericks on the mini won't
> >be too horrible!
>
> It'll all be surprisingly familiar!
>
> One thing that's really worth doing is getting hold of an external USB
> hard drive, to set up Time Machine backups. 500gig or larger, bus
> powered, USB3 for preference.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

Have just ordered a 2Tb USB3 external drive. I was going to use a 750
Gb partition on that to use for Time Machine. Does that seem okay?

Kit

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:59:02 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <djgge9hcedhl7a8jl...@4ax.com>, Jaimie
>Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:33:27 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I've just ordered the basic mac mini (4Gb) and delivery is expected
>> >Thursday 30th Jan. Then I'll see how it goes and then decide whether or
>> >not to have more RAM put in and/or an SSD drive added. Let's hope that
>> >jumping from using Tiger on a G5 to using Mavericks on the mini won't
>> >be too horrible!
>>
>> It'll all be surprisingly familiar!
>>
>> One thing that's really worth doing is getting hold of an external USB
>> hard drive, to set up Time Machine backups. 500gig or larger, bus
>> powered, USB3 for preference.
>

>Have just ordered a 2Tb USB3 external drive. I was going to use a 750
>Gb partition on that to use for Time Machine. Does that seem okay?

Yep! Good work. (Remember that anything you put on the other 1.25Tb
won't be backed up)

Shout here if there's anything particularly bizarre that you can't get
your head around. It's been a long time since Toger and there might be
more strangeness than I recall...

As a kickoff, you may want to go to System Prefs, General, and set
"Show Scroll Bars: Always" and unless you're also getting a Magic
Mouse or trackpad, then under Mouse, untick "Scroll direction:
Natural". Natural only really works with touchy surfaces, not
scrollwheels.


Will you be importing the old user account from the G5, or setting up
from scratch and moving your files over by hand?

If you want to import, either use a Firewire800-FW400 cable and put
the G5 in Target Disk Mode, or clone your G5 onto the 2Tb drive. Then
at *first* bootup of the Mini import from the 2Tb to the new one.

(Doing it at first boot rather than later with Migration Assistant
will potentially save some pain)

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"We're not into science fiction because it's good literature,
we're into it because it's weird" - Bruce Sterling

[Kit]

In article <h2vhe99ge02gb19cf...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:59:02 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Have just ordered a 2Tb USB3 external drive. I was going to use a 750
> >Gb partition on that to use for Time Machine. Does that seem okay?
>
> Yep! Good work. (Remember that anything you put on the other 1.25Tb
> won't be backed up)

Thanks for the suggestions regarding scroll bars, etc. They are
definitely things I'd want to do.

I was going to use the remaining 1.25Tb for backing up various old
files (dmg, movies, photos, etc) from the G5, which wouldn't fit on the
mini's 500Gb.

>
> Will you be importing the old user account from the G5, or setting up
> from scratch and moving your files over by hand?

I was going to ask for advice on that.
For example, I was tempted to run the mini as a brand new user without
importing for a while until I got used to the differences in such
things as mail and in case there was a screw-up in importing old mail
folders. Then I thought I might do selective importing.

> If you want to import, either use a Firewire800-FW400 cable and put
> the G5 in Target Disk Mode, or clone your G5 onto the 2Tb drive. Then
> at *first* bootup of the Mini import from the 2Tb to the new one.
>
> (Doing it at first boot rather than later with Migration Assistant
> will potentially save some pain)

Perhaps if a first boot import is preferable and/or easier, perhaps
once I was comfortable with the new machine I could even do a sort of
'clean install' and effectively have a new first-bootup. Would that be
possible?

I think it's likely that very few of the applications on the G5 would
run on the mini. So I guess I need to be very selective in copying them
across. Even the 'fat binary' ones probably won't work. Is there any
quick way of telling if an application on the G5 is 'fat binary'?

Thanks again,

Kit

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:09:43 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <h2vhe99ge02gb19cf...@4ax.com>, Jaimie
>Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:59:02 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Have just ordered a 2Tb USB3 external drive. I was going to use a 750
>> >Gb partition on that to use for Time Machine. Does that seem okay?
>>
>> Yep! Good work. (Remember that anything you put on the other 1.25Tb
>> won't be backed up)
>
>Thanks for the suggestions regarding scroll bars, etc. They are
>definitely things I'd want to do.
>
>I was going to use the remaining 1.25Tb for backing up various old
>files (dmg, movies, photos, etc) from the G5, which wouldn't fit on the
>mini's 500Gb.

Thumbs up. Remember there's space for a second drive in the Mini if
you wanted, too.

>> Will you be importing the old user account from the G5, or setting up
>> from scratch and moving your files over by hand?
>
>I was going to ask for advice on that.
>For example, I was tempted to run the mini as a brand new user without
>importing for a while until I got used to the differences in such
>things as mail and in case there was a screw-up in importing old mail
>folders. Then I thought I might do selective importing.

Nod. That's perfectly doable, just copying in the folders.

Mail might be a little entertaining; it lives in (home)/Library/Mail,
just copying it from the G5 into there then launching Mail *should*
trigger off the import.

You can always create a new user, try it there, and if it doesn't work
out right just delete the user and create another one, and try
something else. Modern Mail integrates heavily with the Spotlight
indexes and goes A Bit Funny if you manually add and then subtract
files from its Library tree.

>> If you want to import, either use a Firewire800-FW400 cable and put
>> the G5 in Target Disk Mode, or clone your G5 onto the 2Tb drive. Then
>> at *first* bootup of the Mini import from the 2Tb to the new one.
>>
>> (Doing it at first boot rather than later with Migration Assistant
>> will potentially save some pain)
>
>Perhaps if a first boot import is preferable and/or easier,

Doing it after with Migration Assistant *should* work (make sure the
account you create at first boot on the Mini doesn't have the same
username!), but in practice it often leaves you with peculiar hard to
diagnose permissions problems. Fixable, but it's worth avoiding if you
can.

>perhaps
>once I was comfortable with the new machine I could even do a sort of
>'clean install' and effectively have a new first-bootup. Would that be
>possible?

Yes, you can do that - but it does take about 5gig of Internet access,
which is a bit dull.

You can either do an "Internet Recovery boot", by holding Cmd-R from
the bootup BONG - this gets you into the Recovery system, where you
can go to Tools/Disk Utility to erase the old boot partition and
create a new blank one, and then go ahead and install fresh. But it
downloads the whole of the OSX installer from the Internet, and is a
one-shot thing. Do it again, download again.

Alternatively, once you're in Mavericks, go to the App Store and
download the Mavericks installer app. Then get an 8gig USB stick and
the "Diskmaker X" software, and use the two to make a bootable
Mavericks USB installer. Boot off that, go to Tools/Disk Utility and
delete the boot partition as above, then install fresh. This way you
get to keep the installer on the USB key.

>I think it's likely that very few of the applications on the G5 would
>run on the mini. So I guess I need to be very selective in copying them
>across. Even the 'fat binary' ones probably won't work.

"Fat" ones won't work (that label is usually applied to MacOS apps
with dual 68k/PPC), but "Universal" ones will, OSX apps with both PPC
and Intel code.

>Is there any
>quick way of telling if an application on the G5 is 'fat binary'?

Yes - in System Information on the G5, look in Software/Applications.
There should be a "Kind" column. Anything noted as Universal (or
Intel!) should work.

Here's an interesting page with a lot of background about what you can
and can't do with modern OSX and Classic, btw:
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2292
I found it looking for a pic of the System Information panel, which is
also there.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Beauty is only skin deep, but it turns out that you still need the bones and gunk
-- j comeau, a softer world

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:30:47 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

>Mail might be a little entertaining; it lives in (home)/Library/Mail,

Oh, another trick. OSX from Lion onwards hides your Library folder,
which is madly frustrating if you're doing a manual migration!

In Mavericks, go to your home folder in Finder, then to View/Show View
Options (or cmd-J), and you'll see a tickbox "Show Library folder".
Tick it. Tick it hard.

If you don't see the Library tickbox, you're not in your home folder -
it's a location sensitive option.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called
cynicism by those who have not got it." - G B Shaw

[Kit]

In article <g54ie959fb1o1eu5s...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:30:47 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
> >Mail might be a little entertaining; it lives in (home)/Library/Mail,
>
> Oh, another trick. OSX from Lion onwards hides your Library folder,
> which is madly frustrating if you're doing a manual migration!
>

Thanks, Jaimie, for all the help and advice.

I'll report back on how things go - and of course I'll be back if there
are any problems. It's a good thing that I only need to upgrade
hardware and system every 10 years or so! :)

Kit

[Jon B]

Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <280120141523279764%kity...@yahoo.com>, Kit

> <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <280120141425097474%timst...@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> > <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <280120141416119074%kity...@yahoo.com>, Kit
> > > <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm thinking of getting a mac mini to gradually transition away from my
> > > > current G5. Most of my usage is word processing, web surfing,
> > > > occasional video (e.g,. iPlayer) watching. I don't do any video editing
> > > > and very little editing of still images.
> > > >
> > > > Will the 4Gb RAM that comes with the basic mini be enough?
> > >
> > > Probably. I put 8Gb in mine - or more accurately, as I was asking an
> > > outfit to install an SSD in it to have as the boot drive, I asked
> > > *them* to put the 8Gb in. That turns the base model into a nice little
> > > machine.
> >
> > I was considering getting the 8Gb version from Apple and then having an
> > SSD added as a second drive. I wouldn't dream of doing it myself and
> > got a quote to have it done (£229 inc VAT).
>

> If that includes all costs (SSD, memory, and internal items needed for
> the SSD), that's probably not bad. Let's see, I had The Bookyard do it,
> they charged:
>
> Labour: 72 (fixed cost)
> Parts: 50 (internal cable, various grommets, screws, mounting cage)
>
> and then I got memory from Crucial and a Crucial SSD (64Gbytes) from
> Amazon:
>
> Memory: 36
> SSD: 78
>
> So a total of £236 inc VAT. You could save the cost of the 8GBytes
> memory upgrade from Apple by going this route. This was 2 years ago. I
> haven't checked, but I would imagine memory has come down and the SSD
> has become bigger in the interim.
>
Shockingly the DDR3 ram has gone up in the last 12 months!

> I bought the Mini, the memory, and the SSD myself and then shipped the
> lot to the Bookyard.

>
> > The 'outfit' quote seemed reasonable, but apparently it would invalidate
> > the Apple warranty. So isn't the loss of warranty a big risk?
>

> Seems a pretty reliable device. What does the warranty give that your
> statutory rights don't?

Customers logic board failed in a Mac Mini 6 weeks after I SSD'd it. We
took the SSD out just to be on safe side, but Apple replaced the logic
board no questions the next day.

Another customers just taken a MBP to the local Apple centre with the
full dual drive conversion (so evidently not to Apple specs) due to the
graphics card on the logic board failing under one of their extended
warranty schemes, and that's just been done no issues either...

My own is an i7 (worth the upgrade costs IMO), just ordered another i7
for a customer this week, but on a bit more of a budget, just ordered a
single Crucial 8GB stick for it to take it up to 10GB of ram, hopefully
get them to swap the other 2GB for an 8GB when the wallet has recovered.
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.

[Paul Sture]

Kit wrote:

> I think it's likely that very few of the applications on the G5 would
> run on the mini. So I guess I need to be very selective in copying them
> across. Even the 'fat binary' ones probably won't work. Is there any
> quick way of telling if an application on the G5 is 'fat binary'?

On the G5 go into Apple -> About this Mac -> More info -> System report

then click on Software -> Applications (and wait for it to find them)

One of the colums on the resulting list says whether the app is PPC or
Universal - click on the column header to sort by type for a quick
overview of the apps which will and which won't migrate.

--
"No flying cars yet?", he wrote from a 2 inch by 4 inch pocket computer
instantaneously to subscribers worldwide using only his right thumb.
-- @wjflowers

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 29/01/2014 14:09, Kit wrote:
> I was going to ask for advice on that.
> For example, I was tempted to run the mini as a brand new user without
> importing for a while until I got used to the differences in such
> things as mail and in case there was a screw-up in importing old mail
> folders. Then I thought I might do selective importing.

I would use the user account migration thingy then do some checks on
mail (and whatever else is important to you) straight away. If it works
you are all set to go. If it doesn't you can always wipe and re-install
the mini and start with a new user. (You may not even need to re-install
- just zap the migrated user and start afresh.)

[RJH]

That's good to hear. I'd guess there'd always be a risk, but my hope
that Apple would honour their warranty so long as whatever the user had
done didn't contribute to the failure appears realistic.

Or they simply didn't notice/check ;-)


--
Cheers, Rob

[Kit]

The mini arrived.
I decided to try importing at users at first boot.
So I booted the G5 in firewire target disk mode.
At the appropriate import point the mini could see the G5 boot disk but
wouldn't import because it said the OS (Tiger) was too old.

Hopefully, I can import users, mail, etc. later.
If I can't import mail it will be a disaster.

Kit

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:35:18 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>The mini arrived.
>I decided to try importing at users at first boot.
>So I booted the G5 in firewire target disk mode.
>At the appropriate import point the mini could see the G5 boot disk but
>wouldn't import because it said the OS (Tiger) was too old.

Dang. I'd seen things on t'internet that said you could, but indeed
Migration Asst won't do it -

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4889?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
"Migrating from OS X Tiger v10.4 to OS X Mountain Lion v10.8 or later
is not supported and is not expected to complete via Migration
Assistant. For upgrades from OS X Tiger or older to OS X Mountain Lion
or later, you can make a standard file sharing connection and manually
copy your files."

How about cloning it to an external, boot off it and update it to
Leopard, then move the external across and do the migrate?

>Hopefully, I can import users, mail, etc. later.
>If I can't import mail it will be a disaster.

If the Leopard clone also doesn't work...

1) Do the straight copy of the Library/Mail folder over to a test user
on the Mavs box. See what happens when you start Mail.

2) If that fails... do you have access to an IMAP account with enough
space to ram all your mail into? Eg gmail, although you could also do
it in batches. On the G5, copy all your mail into the IMAP account; on
the Mini, copy them back to On My Mac. Expensive in time and
bandwidth, but pretty much guaranteed to work.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"We all recall that the difference between a computer salesman and a car
salesman is that the car salesman *knows* he's lying to you"
"... and probably knows how to drive"
- F O'Donnell and M Smith, in afs

[Sara Merriman]

In article <kjske9d0jpon66sdg...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Or there's always Emailchemy. Best mail import/export program I've used.

[Kit]

Is it best to change the subject line when the topic moves on like this?

Anyway, an update on progress moving from Tiger on a G5 to Mavericks on
a Mini. Migration Assistant refused to move users.

In article <kjske9d0jpon66sdg...@4ax.com>, Jaimie

Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> How about cloning it to an external, boot off it and update it to
> Leopard, then move the external across and do the migrate?

Doing a variation on that worked...
I did a fresh install of Leopard on an external drive then imported
users from Tiger. Then I connected the drive to the mini and imported
the users into Mavericks. All e-mails, browser bookmarks, user
settings, etc. were imported. So it was worth all the time and hassle
involved. Time Machine is up and running.

I got an Apple ID and downloaded Mavericks so that I could make a
bootable 8Gb USB stick, just in case I need it. The facility for
combining/control internet accounts is wasted on me as I don't do any
social media, not even Chat, Messenger, etc.

I don't like the layout in the new Mail. Apart from anything else, it
seems to waste a lot of desktop space. But I suppose I'll get used to
it. I'm learning to use the option key do do 'Save As' and have (I
think) turned off autosave. The scroll bars are now set up how I like
them. With Safari, I'd love to be able to turn off (not just hide) the
coverflow-history thingy.

Installing VINE on the G5 and Chicken-VNC on the Mini was surprisingly
easy and worked as soon as I enabled the G5 Firewall to allow the VNC
related ports. Now the G5 can be operated from the keyboard, mouse &
monitor attached to the Mini. It's a bit sluggish, but usable for what
I want provided the two computers are connected by ethernet. WiFi
connection is too slow to be usable.

Now it's a case of seeing what apps on the Mini can replace those on
the G5 and if they're not free, whether I can afford them. Also, my
several external drives need sorting out. They're a mix of FW400,
FW800, USB2 and USB3. The FW400 will have to remain attached to the G5
for the time being.

Thanks to all who've helped with information and advice.

Kit

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:02:44 +0000, Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>Is it best to change the subject line when the topic moves on like this?
>
>Anyway, an update on progress moving from Tiger on a G5 to Mavericks on
>a Mini. Migration Assistant refused to move users.
>
>In article <kjske9d0jpon66sdg...@4ax.com>, Jaimie
>Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>> How about cloning it to an external, boot off it and update it to
>> Leopard, then move the external across and do the migrate?
>
>Doing a variation on that worked...
>I did a fresh install of Leopard on an external drive then imported
>users from Tiger. Then I connected the drive to the mini and imported
>the users into Mavericks. All e-mails, browser bookmarks, user
>settings, etc. were imported. So it was worth all the time and hassle
>involved.

Yes! Good stuff. I was a little worried about that.

>I don't like the layout in the new Mail.

There's a switch, Mail/Prefs/Viewing/Use Classic Layout.

>I'm learning to use the option key do do 'Save As' and have (I
>think) turned off autosave.

If you can bear to try it (ie it doesn't completely wreck your
workflow), I think autosave is one of the best things ever. It removes
any worries about crashes and reboots and so on, brings back the
simplicity and stability of working on paper.

>The scroll bars are now set up how I like
>them. With Safari, I'd love to be able to turn off (not just hide) the
>coverflow-history thingy.

It can be done!
http://www.macinstruct.com/node/436

Good luck with the rest of the migration.

Cheers - Jaimie
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"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

[dorayme]

In article <310120141402446281%kity...@yahoo.com>,

Kit <kity...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> With Safari, I'd love to be able to turn off (not just hide) the
> coverflow-history thingy.

Does anyone at all like this thing, or, more specifically, find it
really useful?

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dorayme

[dorayme]

In article <26ene9l0qe7cemku4...@4ax.com>,

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:

> It can be done!
> http://www.macinstruct.com/node/436

Good for you Jamie, putting this link up.

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dorayme

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 06:54:13 +1100, dorayme <do_r...@bigpond.com>
wrote:

Nah. I turn off the similar things in other browsers too.

But people who only use their machines for Facebook and Gmail and
Amazon love it - huge buttons with their respective websites on, no
dinking around with the Dock or shortcuts or favourites or whatever.

Cheers - Jaimie
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productivity, motivation and achievement is stored.
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[Justin C]

Unusable for me.

... and the new 'top sites', with the bookmarks bar down the side,
which you can't make go away, that's annoying. I can see a use for
bookmarks there, but let me do something with the 'top sites' so
that they don't look hideously awful - like go only three across,
or scale vertically too.

pic of hideousness:
http://purestblue.com/Ue6Oochi/ScreenShot2014-02-03at14.53.46.jpg

It's bad enough that it makes me regret the upgrade, and I've not
upgraded at home because of it.

I expect a better User Experience from Apple.


Justin.

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Justin C, by the sea.