Mac torrents, cracks & keygens?
Gavin
What's the best Mac torrent software?
What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm looking
for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
well as movies, music, etc.
Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
software?
Thanks for your help.
--
Gavin
Mike Rosenberg
> I'm looking
> for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
> well as movies, music, etc.
>
> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> software?
I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're intent
on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of an
adrenalin rush anyway. Oh, and in general, don't ask us to be your
accomplices.
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Andy Hewitt
Yeah, good one Chris!
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Gavin
> Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking
> > for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
> > download as well as movies, music, etc.
> >
> > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for
> > Mac software?
>
> I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
> comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're intent
> on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of
> an adrenalin rush anyway. Oh, and in general, don't ask us to be your
> accomplices.
I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows, so
I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac. In
my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
And downloading software is *nothing* like shoplifting.
Now, does anyone have the answers to my questions?
--
Gavin
Gavin
> Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Just a few questions:
> >
> > What's the best Mac torrent software?
> >
> > What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm
> > looking for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
> > download as well as movies, music, etc.
> >
> > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for
> > Mac software?
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
>
> Yeah, good one Chris!
???Chris???
--
Gavin
Howard S Shubs
"Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Now, does anyone have the answers to my questions?
Your questions were answered. You were called a thief, which fits, and
told to fuck off.
--
Being quick to take offense is not a virtue.
ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com
Don't you think software developers deserve to be paid?
Do you want Microsoft employees (who work so hard -
www.microsoft.com/mac ) to starve
Stay away from alt.hackintosh
There's tonnes of freeware anyway that's very good.
TonyK
>
> What's the best Mac torrent software?
Azureus. Download it from here:
http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php?os=1
> What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm looking
> for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
> well as movies, music, etc.
There's currently 153 mac torrents available there. Everything from a
cracked version of Ableton Live to Adobe Photoshop CS2 and Toast
Titanium.
> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> software?
This site often comes up with the goods:
http://www.serials.ws/mac/
> Thanks for your help.
You're welcome!
Have fun with your illegal software.
Mike Rosenberg
> And downloading software is *nothing* like shoplifting.
Right. As I said, there's nowhere near as much of an adrenalin rush.
Either way, though, you're using software without paying for it,
depriving the developer of their money.
ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com
sweet
what about mp3s? any place you can get them. Don't really fancy iTunes
(you have to pay for it)
Gavin
> In article <xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows,
> > so I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new
> > Mac.
>
> OK, so you're a self admitted crook. Rationalize it all you want,
> but the bottom line is that you are a thief, period!
>
> > In my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
>
> And that gives you the right to steal it? Do you steal food that's
> overpriced? How about a car? How about a computer?
>
> > And downloading software is nothing like shoplifting.
>
> Unless the software is free or shareware, it is exactly like
> shoplifting.
>
> > Now, does anyone have the answers to my questions?
>
> How about this answer: fuck off, you god-damned crook!
Thanks but I wanted an answer not a flame war.
--
Gavin
ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > so I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac.
>
> the bottom line is that you are a thief, period!
>
>
> overpriced? How about a car? How about a computer?
>
>
>
> > Now, does anyone have the answers to my questions?
>
>
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
hey atleast he's not a rapist!
What's worse - rape or software theft?
Gavin
Exactly the answers I required.
Thanks!
--
Gavin
Gavin
Tom Harrington
> Mike Rosenberg wrote:
>
> > Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking
> > > for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
> > > download as well as movies, music, etc.
> > >
> > > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for
> > > Mac software?
> >
> > I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
> > comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're intent
> > on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of
> > an adrenalin rush anyway. Oh, and in general, don't ask us to be your
> > accomplices.
>
> I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows, so
> I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac. In
> my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
Oh, so you're a long-time criminal and you've decided to infest Macs now
instead of Window. How nice.
> And downloading software is *nothing* like shoplifting.
Rationalize it any way you like, you're still a thief and a slime either
way, buddy.
--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
MondoMouse makes your mouse mightier
See http://www.atomicbird.com/mondomouse/
Mike Rosenberg
> > Your questions were answered. You were called a thief, which fits,
> > and told to fuck off.
>
> You predict the future?
He inferred it (correctly) from my post. ;-)
Mike Rosenberg
> Thanks but I wanted an answer not a flame war.
You got the answers we feel you deserve.
Mike Rosenberg
> What's worse - rape or software theft?
I have to agree with you, rape is definitely worse.
Gavin
> In article <xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> >
> > > Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm looking
> > > > for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
> > > > download as well as movies, music, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites
> > > > for Mac software?
> > >
> > > I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
> > > comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're
> > > intent on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting.
> > > It's more of an adrenalin rush anyway. Oh, and in general, don't
> > > ask us to be your accomplices.
> >
> > I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows,
> > so I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new
> > Mac. In my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
>
> Oh, so you're a long-time criminal and you've decided to infest Macs
> now instead of Window. How nice.
>
> > And downloading software is nothing like shoplifting.
>
> Rationalize it any way you like, you're still a thief and a slime
> either way, buddy.
Whatever.
And I didn't come here to get flamed, I only asked for an answer to my
questions. If you can't answer them, don't bother replying. Ok?
Anyway, it's not as if I'd *ever* even consider buying 95%+ of it
anyway so there's not much loss to anyone (if any).
--
Gavin
Mike Rosenberg
> > And downloading software is *nothing* like shoplifting.
>
> Rationalize it any way you like, you're still a thief and a slime either
> way, buddy.
And may I just point out to the OP that you, along with quite a few
others in comp.sys.mac.system, are software developers yourselves.
Mike Rosenberg
> Exactly the answers I required.
Great, one scumbag found another. Now piss off!
Andy Hewitt
Gavin
> In article <xn0erysatl...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > How about this answer: fuck off, you god-damned crook!
> >
> > Thanks but I wanted an answer not a flame war.
>
> then you never should have admitted to being a thief.
Let's hope there's never a famine, because your family will starve.
--
Gavin
kev...@gmail.com
Gavin wrote:
> Just a few questions:
>
> What's the best Mac torrent software?
>
IMO best torrent software for the Macintosh is Bits On Wheels
> What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm looking
> for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
> well as movies, music, etc.
>
Just look on the regular torrent sites in the MAC section.
> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> software?
>
Look for Serial Box.
> Thanks for your help.
>
Gavin
> Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Exactly the answers I required.
>
> Great, one scumbag found another. Now piss off!
I will soon. But before I go, if I'd never have paid for a legitimate
piece of software what difference would/does it make me downloading it
for free anyway?
--
Gavin
G.T.
>
> And I didn't come here to get flamed, I only asked for an answer to my
> questions.
You're a scumbag. If you weren't stealing you wouldn't get flamed.
Greg
--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
Gavin
Thanks for your help, I'll take a look.
PS There's a lot of anal retentives in these groups, isn't there?
--
Gavin
Tim Auton
> In article <xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows,
>> so I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac.
>
> the bottom line is that you are a thief, period!
>
>
> overpriced? How about a car? How about a computer?
>
>
When you steal something the person you stole it from no longer has it.
When you copy a copyright work without permission the person who has
been granted a monopoly on copying it still has their copy and can still
sell copies. If you can't see the difference there is something
seriously wrong with your cognitive abilities. Is copyright violation
immoral? Yes. Is it illegal? Yes. Are you depriving someone of potential
income? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Is it theft? No.
Tim
Gavin
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net>,
> > "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using
> Windows, >> so I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have
> this new Mac.
> >
> > OK, so you're a self admitted crook. Rationalize it all you want,
> > but the bottom line is that you are a thief, period!
> >
> >> In my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
> >
> > And that gives you the right to steal it? Do you steal food that's
> > overpriced? How about a car? How about a computer?
> >
> >> And downloading software is nothing like shoplifting.
> >
> > Unless the software is free or shareware, it is exactly like
> > shoplifting.
>
> When you steal something the person you stole it from no longer has
> it. When you copy a copyright work without permission the person who
> has been granted a monopoly on copying it still has their copy and
> can still sell copies. If you can't see the difference there is
> something seriously wrong with your cognitive abilities. Is copyright
> violation immoral? Yes. Is it illegal? Yes. Are you depriving someone
> of potential income? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Is it theft? No.
>
>
> Tim
Nice to see _some_ rational thought. However most of the time I'm not
depriving someone of income because even if piracy didn't exist I
wouldn't buy it anyway.
--
Gavin
m...@privacy.net
wrote:
>X-Pred: Who fucking cares I've got 4ax killfiled
Hi fuckwit!
ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com
> >
>
> Look for Serial Box.
>
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
Yep, it's Serial Box (play on the breakfast cereal - cereal box)
There's a new release every month
You should also install little snitch to stop the app 'phoning home'
Gregory Weston
"Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Just a few questions:
>
> What's the best Mac torrent software?
>
> What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm looking
> for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
> well as movies, music, etc.
>
> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> software?
>
> Thanks for your help.
Please take this elsewhere. Asking for help in finding serial numbers
and cracks IN A FORUM WHERE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ROUTINELY PARTICIPATE is
both rude and stupid.
--
What I write is what I mean. I request that anyone who decides to respond
please refrain from "disagreeing" with something I didn't write in the first
place.
Jerry Kindall
wrote:
> Anyway, it's not as if I'd *ever* even consider buying 95%+ of it
> anyway so there's not much loss to anyone (if any).
If you'd never pay for it anyway, then it clearly has no value to you.
If it has no value to you, you have no reason to want it.
So, you don't want pirated software and therefore didn't ask for our
help in getting it.
Glad we got that cleared up.
--
Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>
Send only plain text messages under 32K to the Reply-To address.
This mailbox is filtered aggressively to thwart spam and viruses.
Gregory Weston
> And I didn't come here to get flamed, ...
Then you should've lurked a bit and noticed what a phenomenally stupid
place this was to post such a question.
> Anyway, it's not as if I'd *ever* even consider buying 95%+ of it
> anyway ...
Then don't use it.
Jerry Kindall
wrote:
Well, it prevents you from sleeping at night, assuming you have a
conscience.
Sleep deprivation is very dangerous if you are operating a motor
vehicle. You could kill someone, or yourself.
So don't pirate software. The life you save could be your own.
Gregory Weston
"Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
I'm sorry. I apologize on behalf of the group. We didn't realize that
the software you were using without permission was critical to your
family's survival yet didn't actually assist you in deriving income.
Gregory Weston
TonyK <nos...@thanks.no> wrote:
> This site often comes up with the goods:
> http://www.serials.ws/mac/
It's pathetic that some people feels the need to post (or for that
matter use) fake serial numbers for $5 shareware.
G
Jerry Kindall
wrote:
> PS There's a lot of anal retentives in these groups, isn't there?
Is "anal retentive" a code word for people who behave ethically?
Yes. Yes, there certainly are a lot of ethical people in this group.
Nice that you noticed, even if you don't care to be one yourself.
Richard Tobin
Jerry Kindall <use...@jerrykindall.com> wrote:
>[...]
You're just feeding a troll. He has no interest in discussing the
matter, he's just trying to disrupt uk.comp.sys.mac as he has been for
months.
Please think twice before following up any article from privacy.net.
-- Richard
Gavin
> In article <011020061612340910%jerryk...@nospam.invalid>,
> Jerry Kindall <use...@jerrykindall.com> wrote:
> > [...]
>
> You're just feeding a troll. He has no interest in discussing the
> matter, he's just trying to disrupt uk.comp.sys.mac as he has been for
> months.
Do you guys always make false accusations like these towards new
posters? I'm no troll and I have no intentions of disrupting any group.
> Please think twice before following up any article from privacy.net.
Oh, ok. After reading that it looks like *I* just fed a troll. Sorry
people.
> -- Richard
Your sig sep's broken. But you knew that already, didn't you, troll?
--
Gavin
Gavin
> He has no interest in discussing the matter
I know I'm feeding the troll again, but what's the point in trying to
discuss it when all you're met with is flames?
--
Gavin
ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com
Gregory Weston wrote:
> In article <xn0eryqi8j...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Just a few questions:
> >
> > What's the best Mac torrent software?
> >
> > What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm looking
> > for Mac sites that have full software packages available to download as
> > well as movies, music, etc.
> >
> > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> > software?
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
>
> Please take this elsewhere. Asking for help in finding serial numbers
> and cracks IN A FORUM WHERE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ROUTINELY PARTICIPATE is
> both rude and stupid.
>
> --
Dude,
they are trolls (well i am aswell I suppose)
They know exactly how to do it. They are posting here to piss you off &
see your response.
Anyone who is bent enough to steal software will do it anyway.
And on that note, if you are that stupid, please ALWAYS USE LITTLE
SNITCH to make sure the app can't 'phone home' and send private data
(whether you have bought the software or not)
Gavin
>
> Gregory Weston wrote:
> > In article <xn0eryqi8j...@privacy.net>,
> > "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Just a few questions:
> > >
> > > What's the best Mac torrent software?
> > >
> > > What's a good Mac compatible torrent website/search engine? I'm
> > > looking for Mac sites that have full software packages available
> > > to download as well as movies, music, etc.
> > >
> > > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites
> > > for Mac software?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Please take this elsewhere. Asking for help in finding serial
> > numbers and cracks IN A FORUM WHERE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ROUTINELY
> > PARTICIPATE is both rude and stupid.
> >
> > --
>
> Dude,
>
> they are trolls (well i am aswell I suppose)
Well, *you* may be.
> They know exactly how to do it. They are posting here to piss you off
> & see your response.
If I knew how to do it on the Mac I wouldn't be asking here, dipshit.
> Anyone who is bent enough to steal software will do it anyway.
"bent" as you put it is going into a shop and stealing the software off
the shelf.
--
Gavin
Howard S Shubs
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> You predict the future? I didn't see anyone telling him to fuck off
> before I did. <g>
See?
--
Being quick to take offense is not a virtue.
Howard S Shubs
mike...@TOGROUPmacconsult.com (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:
> He inferred it (correctly) from my post. ;-)
Yep. I kin reed between the lynes.
larwe
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
> > Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> > software?
>
> I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
> comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're intent
> on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of an
I really love Google's context-sensitive ads. The ad that came up next
to this thread was:
Stolen Vehicle
Buy Stolen Vehicle on eBay
Stolen Vehicle for sale!
www.ebay.com
ROFLMAO.
Howard S Shubs
Tim Auton <tim....@uton.borg.invalid> wrote:
> Is it theft? No.
Yes. If you're using something I created and charge for without paying
for it, you're a thief. We've argued this before in comp.sys.mac.*. Go
read the archives.
Howard S Shubs
> And I didn't come here to get flamed, I only asked for an answer to my
> questions. If you can't answer them, don't bother replying. Ok?
You got everything you paid for. Enjoy. We don't owe you shit.
Preacher
> In article <xn0erytcem...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Nice to see _some_ rational thought. However most of the time I'm not
> > depriving someone of income because even if piracy didn't exist I
> > wouldn't buy it anyway.
>
> You crooks are so predictable; that's always the next response. If you
> wouldn't buy it anyway, then you don't need it. If you don't need it,
> you shouldn't steal it.
>
> You can't afford a BMW, and they're too expensive anyway, so you would
> never buy one. But by your rationalization, you would steal one.
Sort of. Except by stealing a BMW, someone else wouldn't have it. When
this guy downloads software, everyone who had it before still has it.
Sucks for the developer, though.
Steve
"Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
You really don't get it.
It's like walking into a police station, telling them you want to break
into a bank, and then asking them where to get the tools and help in
stealing.
This is not a file sharing newsgroup, and you are continually throwing
your crap in everyone's face, and you are surprised at the responses.
Saying that you are an idiot is an insult to idiots.
Steven de Mena
"Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:xn0eryr19j...@privacy.net...
> Mike Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm looking
>> > for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
>> > download as well as movies, music, etc.
>> >
>> > Mac software?
>>
>> I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
>> comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're
>> intent
>> on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of
>> your
>> accomplices.
>
> I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows, so
> I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac. In
> my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
>
> And downloading software is *nothing* like shoplifting.
>
> Now, does anyone have the answers to my questions?
Downloading software is exactly like shoplifting. Go ask Mommy or
Daddy.
Steve
MuahMan
"Steven de Mena" <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
news:I_Odnczjkq4GAr3Y...@comcast.com...
George Graves
"MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why am I not surprised that Mr. Pratt would know the warez sites?
John C. Randolph
> Mike Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Gavin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking
>>> for Mac sites that have full software packages available to
>>> download as well as movies, music, etc.
>>>
>>> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for
>>> Mac software?
>>
>> I don't know about uk.comp.sys.mac, but you'll find that in
>> comp.sys.mac.system the prevailing sentiment is that, if you're intent
>> on stealing software, you should resort to shoplifting. It's more of
>> an adrenalin rush anyway. Oh, and in general, don't ask us to be your
>> accomplices.
>
> I've never paid for one piece of software When I was using Windows, so
> I'm sure not going to start paying for it now I have this new Mac. In
> my opinion it's ALL overpriced.
That doesn't mean you're entitled to something for nothing, you snotty
little prick.
-jcr
J. J. Lodder
> In article <xn0erysykm...@privacy.net>, Gavin <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> > PS There's a lot of anal retentives in these groups, isn't there?
>
> Is "anal retentive" a code word for people who behave ethically?
>
> Yes. Yes, there certainly are a lot of ethical people in this group.
Especially when nobody is looking at them.
Jan
--
MANKIND
Men, said the Devil,
are good to their brothers:
they don't want to mend
their own ways, but each other's. (Piet Hein)
J. J. Lodder
> In article <xn0erz8y3q...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone who is bent enough to steal software will do it anyway.
> >
> > "bent" as you put it is going into a shop and stealing the software
> > off the shelf.
>
> Same thing as downloading it from a pirate site.
Certainly not.
The shopkeeper paid for the stuff you stole;
the pirate site didn't,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
> In article <xn0erysrrm...@privacy.net>,
> "Gavin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > How about this answer: fuck off, you god-damned crook!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks but I wanted an answer not a flame war.
> > >
> > > then you never should have admitted to being a thief.
> >
> > Let's hope there's never a famine, because your family will starve.
>
> Not at all. But if there's a famine, many other families will starve
> because of you.
That's known as 'Survival of the fittest',
Jan
Richard Tobin
Steve <St...@IHATESPAM.com> wrote:
>You really don't get it.
Stop feeding the troll.
-- Richard
Tim Auton
> Nice to see _some_ rational thought. However most of the time I'm not
> depriving someone of income because even if piracy didn't exist I
> wouldn't buy it anyway.
Don't think for one minute I agree with your criminal actions, you
rancid fucktard.
(This message is in reply to a reply. I never saw Gavin's original
message. I assume he's using news.alt.net.).
Tim
Tim Auton
> In article <7tr5v3-...@bertha.auton.me.uk>,
> Tim Auton <tim....@uton.borg.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Is it theft? No.
>
> Yes. If you're using something I created and charge for without paying
> for it, you're a thief. We've argued this before in comp.sys.mac.*. Go
> read the archives.
Yep, looks like you have. As usual the arguments that copyright
violation is theft seem to be "it is", "you must be a thief if you can
see the difference" and "the copyright holder is losing out so it's
theft".
Fortunately the law does see the difference between copyright violation
and theft. It also offers the same protection to copyright holders
whether or not profit is their prime motivation - you seem to be making
a distinction, at least in terminology.
Tim
zoara
> In article <1159739729.4...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> ChrisHoll...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> hey atleast he's not a rapist!
>>
>> What's worse - rape or software theft?
>
> Rape. I suspect that you're a rapist.
[copy-pasted response]
Chris Holland is the uk.comp.sys.mac resident troll. He suffers from ADHD
and has had to be on medication to control it. He posts incendiary remarks
to ucsm and also posts requests to troll groups to attack ucsm, simply
because he is bored and his affliction means he desperately needs to do
something 'exciting'.
Ignoring him will mean that he will eventually get bored of trolling and
find another outlet for his hyperactivity. I understand that he has seen a
psychologist and psychiatrist in the past, and on their advice has found
that medication helped with his concentration at university, but he's found
that the medication wears off by the evening. This would explain why he
often posts late at night.
I hope for his sake and ours that he has another word with his psychologist
and actually mentions the fact that he posts things like the above in order
to get a reaction. I hope that in time they can find a more healthy outlet
for his need of attention.
In the meantime, please don't respond to trolls.
-zoara-
--
iPod killer, coming zune.
zoara
I thought you didn't respond to trolling, Jan?
-z-
Steve Firth
> If you're using something I created and charge for without paying
> for it, you're a thief.
Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
depriving the owner of something. If theft were the only crime, then
copying copyright material would not be a crime, a position that I am sure
you would not want to be in since then your only redress would be civil
action.
Fortunately, copying and distributing copyright material *is* a crime, it's
just not theft.
PGG
> Just a few questions:
>
> What's the best Mac torrent software?
I've used the standard BitTorrent Mac client to download Debian ISO
images in the past, and had no problems with it once I opened up the
relevant ports on my router. Admittedly that was just for a handful of
.ISO files from a known working seed.
Howard S Shubs
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
> depriving the owner of something.
I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
clearly incorrect.
--
Being quick to take offense is not a virtue.
Howard S Shubs
Tim Auton <tim....@uton.borg.invalid> wrote:
If you're using something I created and DON'T charge for, then assuming
I make it available freely, it's not theft. It's all dependent on the
licensing terms.
Howard S Shubs
zoara <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Chris Holland is the uk.comp.sys.mac resident troll. He suffers from ADHD
> and has had to be on medication to control it.
ADHD is not an excuse for being rude like this, sorry. If he claims
that, he's full of shit. In fact, from what you're saying, he's full of
shit either way.
Kit
Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article <1tzt4n7nixme3$.db1twu4ki4o2$.d...@40tude.net>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
> > depriving the owner of something.
>
> I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
> clearly incorrect.
Perhaps there is a difference between English law and US law.
Here in the UK the legal definition of theft includes a requirement to
deprive permanently. (see link below for reference).
http://www.swarb.co.uk/acts/1968TheftAct.shtml
That is one reason that for the creation of an offence of taking a
vehicle without consent (TWOC) - i.e. the perpetrator sometimes n
avoided conviction by claiming that he intended to return the vehicle,
thus not intending to deprive permanently. So the TWOC statute avoided
that problem.
Also, I think that earlier in the thread someone (Michelle??) referred
to making unlawful copies of software as 'robbing'. That is also wrong
because (according to English law) the offence of robbery requires the
use of violence or the threat of violence.
Under certain circumstances (here in England) breach of copyright might
be a criminal offence, but the offence is not that of theft.
Kit
Kurt Ullman
Martin <bitb...@idea-digital.com> wrote:
> In article <howard-72A811....@news.supernews.com>,
> Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <1tzt4n7nixme3$.db1twu4ki4o2$.d...@40tude.net>,
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
> > > depriving the owner of something.
> >
> > I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
> > clearly incorrect.
>
> You are both using different definitions of theft - so you are both
> right/wrong :-)
>
> Intellectual property is a recent thing[1] as far as our legal systems
> are concerned. The laws underlying intellectual property are completely
> different to those covering goods and chattels and *stuff*.
Yep. Intellectual property (at least in the US) has its own listing
in the Constitution.
Article 1, Section within the part on Powers of Congress
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
respective writings and discoveries"
Kurt Ullman
Kit <kit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <howard-72A811....@news.supernews.com>, Howard S
> Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <1tzt4n7nixme3$.db1twu4ki4o2$.d...@40tude.net>,
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
> > > depriving the owner of something.
> >
> > I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
> > clearly incorrect.
>
> Perhaps there is a difference between English law and US law.
> Here in the UK the legal definition of theft includes a requirement to
> deprive permanently. (see link below for reference).
> http://www.swarb.co.uk/acts/1968TheftAct.shtml
If you use a person's (say) computer program and do not pay him or her
what she would have been paid had you actually bought the program, then
you deprive them of that income permanently. Seems like a reasonable
definition of theft.
>
Edd
'A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property
belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the
other of it'
from the webpage above. Since the income is not yet the property of
the programmer it's not theft by that definition.
--
Edd
(who naturally agrees it's still illegal, wrong and all that)
Steve Firth
> In article <1tzt4n7nixme3$.db1twu4ki4o2$.d...@40tude.net>,
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
>> depriving the owner of something.
>
> I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
> clearly incorrect.
Bwhahahahahaha... I'm clearly incorrect unless I have a reference? So in
summary you're not sure, but you want to leave it to me to prove your case
for you?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the UK, The Theft Act 1968 Section 1.
1. Basic definition of theft
(1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property
belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other
of it; and ‘theft’ and ‘steal’ shall be construed accordingly.
and
S. 96 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988
An infringement of copyright is actionable by the copyright owner.
[Note that an infringement of copyright is actionable (a civil tort) not a
criminal offence.]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
UK summary:
http://lawblog.uea.ac.uk/archives/copyright_violation_.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4758636.stm
Summary of US position:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/28/copying_is_theft_and_other/
Unknown
wrote:
>In article <howard-72A811....@news.supernews.com>,
> Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1tzt4n7nixme3$.db1twu4ki4o2$.d...@40tude.net>,
>> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Not so, theft is a crime defined entirely with respect to permanently
>> > depriving the owner of something.
>>
>> I expect you have a legal reference for that, as otherwise you're
>> clearly incorrect.
>
>You are both using different definitions of theft - so you are both
>right/wrong :-)
>
>Intellectual property is a recent thing[1] as far as our legal systems
>are concerned. The laws underlying intellectual property are completely
>different to those covering goods and chattels and *stuff*.
>
>However, greater legal minds than our own seem to be happy to use terms
>like "copyright theft" and "identity theft" - which suggest that they
>consider intellectual or intangible property to be similar to the usual
>*stuff*.
>
>IANAL and all that...
>
>[1] That probably isn't true as I would think that ancient leasehold and
>copyhold rights pose similar problems to intellectual property. After
>all, somebody can't really *steal* large immovable items like land and
>property - they deprive you of your rights to enjoy the use of it.
Hi Martin Orpen you 158.152.13.62 fuckwit!
zoara
> In article <17pl91wfh42r9.1rxozrkaddvek$.d...@40tude.net>,
> zoara <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Chris Holland is the uk.comp.sys.mac resident troll. He suffers from ADHD
>> and has had to be on medication to control it.
>
> ADHD is not an excuse for being rude like this, sorry.
I agree.
> If he claims that, he's full of shit.
As far as I know, he hasn't claimed that, but he has claimed that he gets
bored easily and likes winding 'boring' people up. Not here, not there, but
elsewhere.
> In fact, from what you're saying, he's full of shit either way.
He is. So just ignore him. And all the other trolls as well.
-z-
Steve Firth
> If you use a person's (say) computer program and do not pay him or her
> what she would have been paid had you actually bought the program, then
> you deprive them of that income permanently. Seems like a reasonable
> definition of theft.
Depriving someone of income is not theft.
Making illicit copies of copyright works is not theft.
Neither act is morally justifiable, either act may attract criminal or
civil penalties, but they are not theft.
Steve Firth
> Yep. Intellectual property (at least in the US) has its own listing
> in the Constitution.
Which still does not make the act of creating an infringing copy "theft".
Steve Firth
> However, greater legal minds than our own seem to be happy to use terms
> like "copyright theft" and "identity theft" - which suggest that they
> consider intellectual or intangible property to be similar to the usual
> *stuff*.
No, politicians and those who run recording companies (companies BTW that
specialise in making money by abusing the rights of the creator of
copyright works) refer to it as copyright theft. "Greater legal minds" do
not refer to it as copyright "theft", other than possibly as a loose social
shorthand.
Ilgaz Öcal
> Finally, does anyone know of any good crack/serial/keygen sites for Mac
> software?
>
> Thanks for your help.
You have been reported to http://www.bsa.org , hope your trolling was
worth your legal troubles in future.
Have a nice day
Ilgaz