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Ian McCall

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May 19, 2012, 6:20:38 PM5/19/12
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I've been reading that DOSBox can install Windows 98. I have a few
games I'd like to play using that, so rather than going VMware I
thought I'd try Boxer (it has better bin/cue handling and each game can
be self-contained). However, when I make an ISO of the Win98SE disk and
drag it onto Boxer I just get "Setup is now going to perform a routine
check on your system, To Continue Press Enter". I press enter, the
cursor moves down a line and…nothing. That cursor just stays there
blinking until the end of time.

Anyone had better success?


Cheers,
Ian

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Jon

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May 22, 2012, 3:35:05 PM5/22/12
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You can't install anything above Win3.11 in DOSBox (or Boxer), so Win95
and above is a no no sorry.

Something about the kernel in Win95 and above using 32bit extensions
that are not supported in DOSBox.

Stephen Moll

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May 22, 2012, 4:43:49 PM5/22/12
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Really, plenty of hits when doing a search for such a thing:
For example: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=24936

chris

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May 23, 2012, 4:04:06 AM5/23/12
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On 19/05/2012 23:20, Ian McCall wrote:
> I've been reading that DOSBox can install Windows 98. I have a few games
> I'd like to play using that, so rather than going VMware I thought I'd
> try Boxer (it has better bin/cue handling and each game can be
> self-contained). However, when I make an ISO of the Win98SE disk and
> drag it onto Boxer I just get "Setup is now going to perform a routine
> check on your system, To Continue Press Enter". I press enter, the
> cursor moves down a line and…nothing. That cursor just stays there
> blinking until the end of time.
>
> Anyone had better success?
>

Why not just use VirtualBox? I'm pretty sure I did that a few years
back. It looks so quaint now...

Stephen Moll

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May 23, 2012, 5:32:55 AM5/23/12
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It's doable on VirtualBox but not a lot easier. There are certain tricks you need to use to stop the DOS machine maxing out the CPU core. I used DOSidle which does the trick. I have never been able to get networking going on a DOS VM running in VirtualBox, VMware Workstation or ESXi.

Ian McCall

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May 23, 2012, 2:41:42 PM5/23/12
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chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why not just use VirtualBox? I'm pretty sure I did that a few years back.
> It looks so quaint now...

I need bin/cue CD image support and accelerated graphics. This is all about
getting Sentinel Returns (and possibly X Wing vs Tie) going properly - they
don't work well in VMware and XP due to mixed mode CD issues.

chris

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May 24, 2012, 4:13:56 AM5/24/12
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On 23/05/2012 19:41, Ian McCall wrote:
> chris<ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why not just use VirtualBox? I'm pretty sure I did that a few years back.
>> It looks so quaint now...
>
> I need bin/cue CD image support and accelerated graphics. This is all about
> getting Sentinel Returns (and possibly X Wing vs Tie) going properly - they
> don't work well in VMware and XP due to mixed mode CD issues.

Ah, OK. I just did it in order to reminisce...

...and then quickly deleted it again :)

13l...@stavangerskolen.no

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Feb 19, 2020, 2:20:59 PM2/19/20
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you need to use a switch on the install

setup.exe /is


Alan B

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Feb 20, 2020, 4:18:12 AM2/20/20
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Gosh nearly 8 years since the last post on this topic - is that some kind
of record?

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Ian McCall

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Feb 20, 2020, 5:17:36 PM2/20/20
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On 20 Feb 2020, Alan B wrote
(in article <r2lisj$mdr$1...@dont-email.me>):
Maybe, but I still have the need. So thanks.

Cheers,
Ian

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Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Feb 20, 2020, 5:59:58 PM2/20/20
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On 20 Feb 2020 at 22:17:34 GMT, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

> On 20 Feb 2020, Alan B wrote
> (in article <r2lisj$mdr$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> <13l...@stavangerskolen.no> wrote:
>>> søndag 20. mai 2012 00.20.38 UTC+2 skrev Ian McCall følgende:
>>>> I've been reading that DOSBox can install Windows 98. I have a few
>>>> games I'd like to play using that, so rather than going VMware I
>>>> thought I'd try Boxer (it has better bin/cue handling and each game can
>>>> be self-contained). However, when I make an ISO of the Win98SE disk and
>>>> drag it onto Boxer I just get "Setup is now going to perform a routine
>>>> check on your system, To Continue Press Enter". I press enter, the
>>>> cursor moves down a line and…nothing. That cursor just stays there
>>>> blinking until the end of time.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone had better success?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out Proto the album:<http://studioicm.com/proto/>
>>>
>>> you need to use a switch on the install
>>>
>>> setup.exe /is
>>
>> Gosh nearly 8 years since the last post on this topic - is that some kind
>> of record?
>
> Maybe, but I still have the need. So thanks.

Have you seen https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=44089 ? It's from
after you last asked :)

I haven't tried it - I'm almost entirely disinterested in attempting to run
older Windows games, which is curious since I played them incessantly back
when. Up until I got a Dreamcast in 2002 or so.

Cheers - Jaimie


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Ian McCall

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Feb 21, 2020, 4:20:41 AM2/21/20
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On 20 Feb 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <hb8hbb...@mid.individual.net>):
Dungeon Keeper. I have the DOS version, but the Windows version had a bit
more resolution from memory (am sure there was a difference). Plus it’s
needed for Dungeon Keeper 2.

I used to play a lot of the old games, but I’m down to a handful now. Well
- to be honest I’m down to a handful of ’new’ ones too.Spectrum stuff
still makes the grade (The Pyramid, Chuckie Egg), C64 (Impossible Mission,
Psi 5 Trading Company, One Man And His Droid), Amiga (Paradroid 90), arcade
(Galaxians, Asteroids, SF II Hyperfighting - sometimes I use the SNES
version), Gameboy (Kuru Kuru Kurican, and it’s a crime this has not been
ported to iOS) and then to the ‘modern’: Skyrim, Elder Scrolls Online,
Tekken 7. Used to play a lot of driving games too but the hassle of getting
the wheel set up has put that back a bit.

That’s pretty much it for the moment.

Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Feb 21, 2020, 8:08:48 AM2/21/20
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https://www.gog.com/game/dungeon_keeper is a Mac friendly dosbox release -
check the second comment, alt-r does the resolution switch.

DK2 from GOG will run in a Win7+ environment, easy to create in any of the
VMs.

> I used to play a lot of the old games, but I’m down to a handful now. Well
> - to be honest I’m down to a handful of ’new’ ones too.Spectrum stuff
> still makes the grade (The Pyramid, Chuckie Egg), C64 (Impossible Mission,
> Psi 5 Trading Company, One Man And His Droid), Amiga (Paradroid 90), arcade
> (Galaxians, Asteroids, SF II Hyperfighting - sometimes I use the SNES
> version), Gameboy (Kuru Kuru Kurican, and it’s a crime this has not been
> ported to iOS) and then to the ‘modern’: Skyrim, Elder Scrolls Online,
> Tekken 7. Used to play a lot of driving games too but the hassle of getting
> the wheel set up has put that back a bit.

I'm broad in my games tastes, Speccy and C64 through the latest. Last night I
was finishing off the latest Assassin's Creed DLC and playing Beat Saber in
VR, and earlier in the day was playing Patapon on the PSP and bought myself a
GameCube optical drive replacement that runs games off an SDcard, and an
HDMI-native interface for my Dreamcast. Very much looking forward to "Lair of
the Clockwork God" being released later today - old-school Monkey Island style
point and click adventure from the "Ben There, Dan That", "Time Gentlemen
Please" authors. So many games! I need to play all the Hugo-nominated ones
too, I'm partway into The Outer Wilds but haven't started The Outer Worlds
(yes, they came out almost the same time too...) or Disco Elysium (a somewhat
dystopic China Mieville-ish messed up detective adventure/RPG where your
personality quirks are your RPG levelling up elements).

Cheers - Jaimie


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Ian McCall

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Feb 21, 2020, 8:52:34 AM2/21/20
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On 21 Feb 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <hba32s...@mid.individual.net>):

>
> I'm broad in my games tastes, Speccy and C64 through the latest. Last night I
> was finishing off the latest Assassin's Creed DLC and playing Beat Saber in
> VR, and earlier in the day was playing Patapon on the PSP and bought myself a
> GameCube optical drive replacement that runs games off an SDcard, and an
> HDMI-native interface for my Dreamcast. Very much looking forward to "Lair of
> the Clockwork God" being released later today - old-school Monkey Island style
> point and click adventure from the "Ben There, Dan That", "Time Gentlemen
> Please" authors. So many games! I need to play all the Hugo-nominated ones
> too, I'm partway into The Outer Wilds but haven't started The Outer Worlds
> (yes, they came out almost the same time too...) or Disco Elysium (a somewhat
> dystopic China Mieville-ish messed up detective adventure/RPG where your
> personality quirks are your RPG levelling up elements).

Sounds good to me. I sadly don’t have any retro hardware anymore - gave
away my C64 collection, but at least it went to a good place - someone who
was...err..porting Portal to the C64. Yes really:
<https://www.jamiefuller.com/portal/>

Beat Sabre looks fantastic to me, but I don’t have the kit for it. PS VR
looks the cheapest entry, but I just don’t think I’d use it for anything
else (except maybe Elite:Dangerous which I have but don’t play right now).

Just in a bit of a lull at the moment. Looking forward to the next instalment
of Horizon:Zero Dawn but I suspect that’ll be PS5 only (there’s a PC port
of the first one due a bit later this year). The Outer Worlds has been
recommended as an open world-style that might help with my Skyrim addiction
problem...ESO is just me passing the time until Elder Scroll VI, which if
I’m particularly lucky may come out just in time to wheel me into a
retirement home.

Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Feb 21, 2020, 1:07:18 PM2/21/20
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On 21 Feb 2020 at 13:52:31 GMT, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

> On 21 Feb 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
> (in article <hba32s...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>>
>> I'm broad in my games tastes, Speccy and C64 through the latest. Last night I
>> was finishing off the latest Assassin's Creed DLC and playing Beat Saber in
>> VR, and earlier in the day was playing Patapon on the PSP and bought myself a
>> GameCube optical drive replacement that runs games off an SDcard, and an
>> HDMI-native interface for my Dreamcast. Very much looking forward to "Lair of
>> the Clockwork God" being released later today - old-school Monkey Island style
>> point and click adventure from the "Ben There, Dan That", "Time Gentlemen
>> Please" authors. So many games! I need to play all the Hugo-nominated ones
>> too, I'm partway into The Outer Wilds but haven't started The Outer Worlds
>> (yes, they came out almost the same time too...) or Disco Elysium (a somewhat
>> dystopic China Mieville-ish messed up detective adventure/RPG where your
>> personality quirks are your RPG levelling up elements).
>
> Sounds good to me. I sadly don’t have any retro hardware anymore - gave
> away my C64 collection, but at least it went to a good place - someone who
> was...err..porting Portal to the C64. Yes really:
> <https://www.jamiefuller.com/portal/>

Fabulous! I'd seen that before, lovely that it was developed on your kit
though. Years ago I gave away a Virtual Boy dev kit that I'd acquired by
accident, only the box not the VB itself or any software, but unfortunately
that never went anywhere.

> Beat Sabre looks fantastic to me, but I don’t have the kit for it. PS VR
> looks the cheapest entry, but I just don’t think I’d use it for anything
> else (except maybe Elite:Dangerous which I have but don’t play right now).

You'd find more :) Cheapest option is indeed the PSVR assuming you already
have a PS4, but it's also the lowest quality (and has the worst Beat Saber as
Sony won't allow custom songs).

Best value option for VR right now is probably the standalone Oculus Quest
unit - which can now also be hooked up to a PC if you have the necessary beefy
GPU and a long enough cable. £400 or under (you only need the 64gig variant).

I am a huge VR fan and will burble on about it given half the chance. I
have/had PSVR, Rift, Quest, Vive and Index.

> Just in a bit of a lull at the moment. Looking forward to the next instalment
> of Horizon:Zero Dawn but I suspect that’ll be PS5 only (there’s a PC port
> of the first one due a bit later this year). The Outer Worlds has been
> recommended as an open world-style that might help with my Skyrim addiction
> problem...

Worlds is by the folks who did the best of the Fallouts, New Vegas. It's
apparently good to pretty good with a great ride that gets a little
disappointing towards the end. Also quite short so wouldn't help for long.
Disco might suit you better if you're in it for story. Or Red Dead Redemption
2, which has both excellent story and a big old open world. If you have a
Switch (or if you don't, get one!), Zelda - Breath of the Wild is an essential
game of the generation, it re-invigorates the open world game with amazing
inventiveness.

More prosaically I've just put about 160 hours into Assassins' Creed: Odyssey
- they've improved the formula hugely over prior games (which I thought were
largely tosh), it's actually beaten my Skyrim hours. Story good, moment to
moment gameplay good, graphics deeply impressive.

> ESO is just me passing the time until Elder Scroll VI, which if
> I’m particularly lucky may come out just in time to wheel me into a
> retirement home.

Christmas 2022 minimum, I reckon. With the Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 releases
being drivel I honestly don't hold out much hope for a good one tbh.

Still, Animal Crossing next month!

Cheers - Jaimie



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Ian McCall

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Feb 23, 2020, 10:26:40 AM2/23/20
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On 21 Feb 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <hbakik...@mid.individual.net>):

> Best value option for VR right now is probably the standalone Oculus Quest
> unit - which can now also be hooked up to a PC if you have the necessary beefy
> GPU and a long enough cable. £400 or under (you only need the 64gig variant).

Picking this up (because I came across this on
Reddit,<https://gfycat.com/unitedflippanthoopoe>), what about the Go? Looks a
little limited to me, but it’s more or less as cheap as the PS VR.

And for things like the Quest etc., do you run into trouble tripping up over
cables all the time? I have just a £30 plastic Google Cardboard thing which
is great for its price but mostly gathers dust, although VR Crossy Road is
utterly terrifying (I’ll just quickly take a look to the left and...oh,
Giant truck hitting me in 2 seconds’ time).

I have a Skylake i5 at...err...no idea actually. I think 3Ghz or might be
more. Paired with an 8Gb RX480.

Jaimie Vandenbergh

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Feb 24, 2020, 8:09:21 PM2/24/20
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On 23 Feb 2020 at 15:26:37 GMT, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

> On 21 Feb 2020, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
> (in article <hbakik...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Best value option for VR right now is probably the standalone Oculus Quest
>> unit - which can now also be hooked up to a PC if you have the necessary beefy
>> GPU and a long enough cable. £400 or under (you only need the 64gig variant).
>
> Picking this up (because I came across this on
> Reddit,<https://gfycat.com/unitedflippanthoopoe>), what about the Go? Looks a
> little limited to me, but it’s more or less as cheap as the PS VR.

Unfortunately unusable. It's a dead platform, it only has three degrees of
freedom (rotation of view around three axis, no translation through space -
you can look around, but you can't look around a corner), and the controller
is only any use for watching movies with.

> And for things like the Quest etc., do you run into trouble tripping up over
> cables all the time?

Nope. The Quest doesn't have a cable, it's a standalone device with an
optional use as a PC VR unit. The cabled kit - well, there aren't really that
many games which will have you moving much while in VR, and those few that do
I've always found it easy enough to keep vague track of the cable and step
over it. Helps that I play in socks :)

> I have just a £30 plastic Google Cardboard thing which
> is great for its price but mostly gathers dust,

The Go isn't as good as the Cardboard (with a phone in it).

> I have a Skylake i5 at...err...no idea actually. I think 3Ghz or might be
> more. Paired with an 8Gb RX480.

(Converts to nVidia - between a 960 and a 970) Yeah, that'll be fine. I was
using a 980Ti for three+ years and that was frankly overpowered.

I'd suggest either a Quest or hunt up a Rift with Touch controllers, obsolete
now but I'd class them as better than their successor Rift S.

Can lend you a Rift if you pay postage and promise not to break it.

Cheers - Jaimie


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