Currys iPad trade ins

[Chris Ridd]

A cow-orker just advised me of an offer from Currys - if you trade in
*any* iPad - broken or otherwise - you get a trade in discount, and an
*extra* discount of £100 off the price of a new iPad.

https://www.currys.co.uk/services/ways-to-pay/trade-in.html

Obviously they're trying to clear old stock before an expected refresh
from Apple, and clearly you'd need to be OK with ever buying something
from Currys, but hopefully this might help someone.

ISTR they had a similar sort of offer a year or so back.

--
Chris

[Chris]

Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
> A cow-orker just advised me of an offer from Currys - if you trade in
> *any* iPad - broken or otherwise - you get a trade in discount, and an
> *extra* discount of £100 off the price of a new iPad.

Only applicable for an Air or Pro.

[Mark]

You can't get the initial trade-in value if it's not working (but you
can still get the 'against an iPad' £100 trade-in). Oddly, you have to
select 'Not working' to see that they don't accept any iPad over 7
years old (unless you click the little 'Need Help?' link). I can see
that causing issues. They'd only give me a fiver for my original iPad
anyway (well they wouldn't, as it's over 7 years old. Makes you wonder
why there are 7+ year old iPads on the list at all if they don't take
'em).
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Cheers ... Mark

[Mark]

Actually, it says 'Needs Repair' instead of 'Not Working', and although
it says:

We cannot accept a trade in tablet if it:
>>> • Does not power on
>>> • Has water damage
>>> • Is over 7 years old

It still offers a trade-in value (50p for mine, higher for other +7
year-old models), and says 'Your trade in estimate'. Confusing.
--
Cheers ... Mark

[Chris Ridd]

Yes I agree it is confusing. We have an iPad 3, one of the first Retina
models IIRC from 2012 and with a smashed screen. They quoted me £4 for
it. Your 50p quote must be a record :-)

Anyway they still quoted despite it being slightly over 7 years old.

--
Chris

[Mark]

CEX will give me more than that for trade in (£10+) and more through eBay.
It’s just not enough to spur me to get rid of it, but… It does pain me to
sideline ‘good’ kit (i.e. working). My old iPad will still give me 6+ hours
playing a movies.

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Cheers ... Mark

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On 27 Sep 2022 at 21:29:45 BST, "Mark" <captai...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2022-09-27 14:41:54 +0000, Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> said:
>
>> ISTR they had a similar sort of offer a year or so back.

They did, I got £150 for my ancient iPad 3.

> You can't get the initial trade-in value if it's not working (but you
> can still get the 'against an iPad' £100 trade-in). Oddly, you have to
> select 'Not working' to see that they don't accept any iPad over 7
> years old (unless you click the little 'Need Help?' link). I can see
> that causing issues. They'd only give me a fiver for my original iPad
> anyway (well they wouldn't, as it's over 7 years old. Makes you wonder
> why there are 7+ year old iPads on the list at all if they don't take
> 'em).

They learnt from the crap they got from me last time, sorry!

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"For our younger readers - books are hardened bits
of the internet that have fallen off."
-- Rob Manuel

[Mark]

Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2022 at 21:29:45 BST, "Mark" <captai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-27 14:41:54 +0000, Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> ISTR they had a similar sort of offer a year or so back.
>
> They did, I got £150 for my ancient iPad 3.
>
>> You can't get the initial trade-in value if it's not working (but you
>> can still get the 'against an iPad' £100 trade-in). Oddly, you have to
>> select 'Not working' to see that they don't accept any iPad over 7
>> years old (unless you click the little 'Need Help?' link). I can see
>> that causing issues. They'd only give me a fiver for my original iPad
>> anyway (well they wouldn't, as it's over 7 years old. Makes you wonder
>> why there are 7+ year old iPads on the list at all if they don't take
>> 'em).
>
> They learnt from the crap they got from me last time, sorry!
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

:)

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Cheers ... Mark

[Adrian Caspersz]

Currys method of redemption seems to be, ye surrender to them the old
device and they give a gift voucher which can be used to reduce the cost
of the new device at the checkout.

Can ye see the problem here? Folks back in the shop suddenly demanding
their old devices back, or hastily erasing authentication data and then
regretting it?

I spent a long time on the sofa today, transferring logins and app
settings from my old iPhone SE to a new shiny 13 Mini.

I only found a couple of non-apple apps that were happy with the
logins/settings transfer via the iCloud backup, some critical ones
(authentication apps) needed both phones present for a device
orchestrated export/import session, and the rest needed me to manually
find passworms and go through 2FA, SMS still active on the old phone for
that.

And then, I still had about 20GB of photos on my old phone not Sync'd
with iCloud.

Grrr, that took time ...


--
Adrian C

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 28.09.22 um 22:12 schrieb Adrian Caspersz:

> On 27/09/2022 18:58, Chris wrote:
>> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> A cow-orker just advised me of an offer from Currys - if you trade in
>>> *any* iPad - broken or otherwise - you get a trade in discount, and an
>>> *extra* discount of £100 off the price of a new iPad.
>>
>> Only applicable for an Air or Pro.
>>
>
> Currys method of redemption seems to be, ye surrender to them the old
> device and they give a gift voucher which can be used to reduce the cost
> of the new device at the checkout.
>
> Can ye see the problem here? Folks back in the shop suddenly demanding
> their old devices back, or hastily erasing authentication data and then
> regretting it?
>
> I spent a long time on the sofa today, transferring logins and app
> settings from my old iPhone SE to a new shiny 13 Mini.

If you had backed up your old iPhone regularly to iCloud including
keyrings this would have gone quite quickly without any intervention
from your side. Including all settings.

The last times I did that it took less than an hour waiting for the
devices to finish. No need to intervene.

The photos took a little longer.


--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[David Brooks]

What do you think Apple will make of the report generated and sent to
them when Mints crashed my computer?



Translated Report (Full Report Below)
-------------------------------------

Process: Mints [2161]
Path: /private/var/folders/*/Mints.app/Contents/MacOS/Mints
Identifier: Mints
Version: ???
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [1]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2022-09-22 15:16:46.3483 +0100
OS Version: macOS 12.6 (21G115)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: 94E81E3C-257E-A469-E08C-1A1E1F65A9A3

Sleep/Wake UUID: BE1CE4DE-34DC-40E7-B1B3-53BBE47F87BB

Time Awake Since Boot: 4700 seconds
Time Since Wake: 1132 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: 0

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_MEMORY_ERROR at 0x000000010c0c9004
Exception Codes: 0x000000000000000a, 0x000000010c0c9004
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 10 Bus error: 10
Terminating Process: exc handler [2161]

VM Region Info: 0x10c0c9004 is in 0x10c0c9000-0x10c109000; bytes after
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Kernel Triage:
VM - Object is not alive


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20 ??? 0x7ff80152a0cc ???
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25 ??? 0x7ff8017a7fcf ???
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27 ??? 0x7ff80a4565e6 ???
28 ??? 0x7ff80a45634a ???
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31 ??? 0x7ff8041df66a ???
32 ??? 0x7ff8041d1d19 ???
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34 ??? 0x10c0da749 ???
35 dyld 0x114d5c52e start + 462

Thread 1:: com.apple.NSEventThread
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6 ??? 0x7ff8016e24e1 ???
7 ??? 0x7ff8016ddf6b ???

Thread 2:
0 ??? 0x7ff8016ddf48 ???


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Logical CPU: 0
Error Code: 0x00000004 (no mapping for user data read)
Trap Number: 14

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External Modification Summary:
Calls made by other processes targeting this process:
task_for_pid: 0
thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0
Calls made by this process:
task_for_pid: 0
thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0
Calls made by all processes on this machine:
task_for_pid: 0
thread_create: 0
thread_set_state: 0

VM Region Summary:
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[Chris]

Adrian Caspersz <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> On 27/09/2022 18:58, Chris wrote:
>> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> A cow-orker just advised me of an offer from Currys - if you trade in
>>> *any* iPad - broken or otherwise - you get a trade in discount, and an
>>> *extra* discount of £100 off the price of a new iPad.
>>
>> Only applicable for an Air or Pro.
>>
>
> Currys method of redemption seems to be, ye surrender to them the old
> device and they give a gift voucher which can be used to reduce the cost
> of the new device at the checkout.
>
> Can ye see the problem here? Folks back in the shop suddenly demanding
> their old devices back, or hastily erasing authentication data and then
> regretting it?
>
> I spent a long time on the sofa today, transferring logins and app
> settings from my old iPhone SE to a new shiny 13 Mini.

Use a password manager or (iCloud) keychain.

> I only found a couple of non-apple apps that were happy with the
> logins/settings transfer via the iCloud backup, some critical ones
> (authentication apps) needed both phones present for a device
> orchestrated export/import session, and the rest needed me to manually
> find passworms and go through 2FA, SMS still active on the old phone for
> that.

Why would SMS go to the old phone? Typically people transfer the old SIM to
a new phone.

> And then, I still had about 20GB of photos on my old phone not Sync'd
> with iCloud.
>
> Grrr, that took time ...

Had a similar issue with my work Mac. Got a new one when moving dept
without overlap with my old one. Also admin didn't allow migration
assistant. Had to install lots of apps manually and drag files across from
TM. Fortunately most of my work files are on OneDrive.

[David Kennedy]

On 29/09/2022 07:07, Alan B wrote:

> Mark <captai...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> CEX will give me more than that for trade in (£10+) and more through eBay.
>> It’s just not enough to spur me to get rid of it, but… It does pain me to
>> sideline ‘good’ kit (i.e. working). My old iPad will still give me 6+ hours
>> playing a movies.
>

> Makes me wonder how much they would offer for my 4 year old iPad Mini with
> a failing battery? Normally I only buy low tech items such as kettles and
> toasters from them ;)
>

I inadvertently bought a hard disc from them once...

A quick scan showed multiple bad sectors and they refunded it straight away.

So, based on that, I imagine they would buy pretty much anything you have.

[Mark]

On 2022-09-29 08:38:10 +0000, David Kennedy <davidke...@gmail.com> said:

> On 29/09/2022 07:07, Alan B wrote:
>> Mark <captai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> CEX will give me more than that for trade in (£10+) and more through eBay.
>>> It’s just not enough to spur me to get rid of it, but… It does pain me to
>>> sideline ‘good’ kit (i.e. working). My old iPad will still give me 6+ hours
>>> playing a movies.
>>
>> Makes me wonder how much they would offer for my 4 year old iPad Mini with
>> a failing battery? Normally I only buy low tech items such as kettles and
>> toasters from them ;)

Check it out online. They grade A/B/C so you can get a good idea of
trade in value ('Vouchers' they call it).

>
> I inadvertently bought a hard disc from them once...
>
> A quick scan showed multiple bad sectors and they refunded it straight away.
>
> So, based on that, I imagine they would buy pretty much anything you have.

I've bought a bunch of stuff from them (MBP, couple of iPads, Watch,
iPhone, AirPods) over the last few years. The only reason was because
you can trade in kit easily. No problems so far (touch wood!)
--
Cheers ... Mark

[Adrian Caspersz]

On 29/09/2022 07:59, Chris wrote:
> Why would SMS go to the old phone? Typically people transfer the old SIM to
> a new phone.

The new phone is with a different network.

>> And then, I still had about 20GB of photos on my old phone not Sync'd
>> with iCloud.
>>
>> Grrr, that took time ...
>
> Had a similar issue with my work Mac. Got a new one when moving dept
> without overlap with my old one. Also admin didn't allow migration
> assistant. Had to install lots of apps manually and drag files across from
> TM. Fortunately most of my work files are on OneDrive.

--
Adrian C

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 29.09.22 um 13:53 schrieb Adrian Caspersz:

> On 29/09/2022 07:59, Chris wrote:
>> Why would SMS go to the old phone? Typically people transfer the old SIM to
>> a new phone.
>
> The new phone is with a different network.

Is not relevant.

[Chris]

Adrian Caspersz <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/09/2022 07:59, Chris wrote:
>> Why would SMS go to the old phone? Typically people transfer the old SIM to
>> a new phone.
>
> The new phone is with a different network.

Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.

[nospam]

In article <th4kgg$n83l$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.

financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

Generally you can ask for an unlock anyway, just say you'll be using a
foreign sim for a trip if needing an excuse. Vodafone certainly never
gave me any trouble.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Sent from my Atari 400

[nospam]

In article <jpmava...@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh

<jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> >
> >> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.
> >
> > financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.
>
> Generally you can ask for an unlock anyway, just say you'll be using a
> foreign sim for a trip if needing an excuse. Vodafone certainly never
> gave me any trouble.

foreign unlock yes, domestic usually no.

[Chris]

Not in the UK. Last time I got one I could unlock it after three months.
It's not obvious.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 30.09.22 um 08:58 schrieb Chris:

And it is not true for most European contries either.

[nospam]

In article <th642v$umt0$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> >> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.
> >
> > financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.
>
> Not in the UK. Last time I got one I could unlock it after three months.

in other words, they do lock them.

buy a bunch and resell them for profit.

[Chris]

On 30/09/2022 11:22, nospam wrote:
> In article <th642v$umt0$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.
>>>
>>> financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.
>>
>> Not in the UK. Last time I got one I could unlock it after three months.
>
> in other words, they do lock them.

They did. Now it's rare and certainly not "until fully paid".

> buy a bunch and resell them for profit.

Maybe learn more about the UK market before making dumb suggestions. Try
here for a start: https://www.carphonewarehouse.com/

[nospam]

In article <th72gk$11nk5$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> >>>> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.
> >>>
> >>> financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.
> >>
> >> Not in the UK. Last time I got one I could unlock it after three months.
> >
> > in other words, they do lock them.
>
> They did. Now it's rare and certainly not "until fully paid".

what prevents someone from financing a phone, stop paying for it, and
then selling it for a profit?

stop paying for a house or car and it's repossessed.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
that too, eventually.

This desperate need to be right even after being demonstrably wrong is
your worst characteristic.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of
producing random digits is, of course, in a state
of sin. -- John von Neumann

[nospam]

In article <jpolkn...@mid.individual.net>, Jaimie Vandenbergh

<jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
> that too, eventually.

bit late for that after it's been sold, and if the person used a fake
id, it's going to be a dead end.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 30.09.22 um 19:00 schrieb Jaimie Vandenbergh:

> On 30 Sep 2022 at 17:35:42 BST, "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> what prevents someone from financing a phone, stop paying for it, and
>> then selling it for a profit?
>>
>> stop paying for a house or car and it's repossessed.
>
> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
> that too, eventually.
>
> This desperate need to be right even after being demonstrably wrong is
> your worst characteristic.

Very precise analysis.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 30.09.22 um 19:14 schrieb nospam:

We live in Europe and not in the Wild Wild West.

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

You can also stab people down the pub and run away.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Communicating badly and then acting smug when
you're misunderstood is not cleverness.
-- http://xkcd.com/169

[Chris]

You're encouraging theft and fraud now? Classy.

[nospam]

In article <th7mu2$13veh$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> >
> >> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
> >> that too, eventually.
> >
> > bit late for that after it's been sold, and if the person used a fake
> > id, it's going to be a dead end.
>
> You're encouraging theft and fraud now? Classy.

that's quite the twist. i'm not encouraging anything. the reality is
that there are people who do such things, and one way to mitigate it is
by locking phones until it's paid off.

[Chris]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <th7mu2$13veh$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
>>>> that too, eventually.
>>>
>>> bit late for that after it's been sold, and if the person used a fake
>>> id, it's going to be a dead end.
>>
>> You're encouraging theft and fraud now? Classy.
>
> that's quite the twist. i'm not encouraging anything.

Not at all. This is what you said:

> buy a bunch and resell them for profit.

No twist required.

> the reality is

You don't understand the UK market. Stick to what you know.

> that there are people who do such things, and one way to mitigate it is
> by locking phones until it's paid off.

Except locking not a thing, here. Our credit checks are very thorough and
make it very difficult to fake. Clearly enough for the operators not to
worry about losing their phones.

I imagine the US with its soft touch on regulation means that it's easier
to fake hence why operators are dependent on locking.

[nospam]

In article <th992s$1b1gq$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>

wrote:

> >>>> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
> >>>> that too, eventually.
> >>>
> >>> bit late for that after it's been sold, and if the person used a fake
> >>> id, it's going to be a dead end.
> >>
> >> You're encouraging theft and fraud now? Classy.
> >
> > that's quite the twist. i'm not encouraging anything.
>
> Not at all. This is what you said:
>
> > buy a bunch and resell them for profit.
>
> No twist required.

it's called rhetorical hyperbole.

> > the reality is
>
> You don't understand the UK market. Stick to what you know.

it's not specific to any market.

the reality is there are people in this world who are dishonest.

[Theo]

Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30/09/2022 11:22, nospam wrote:
> > In article <th642v$umt0$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>>> Your can still buy locked iphones? I didn't think that was still a thing.
> >>>
> >>> financed phones are locked until fully paid, for obvious reasons.
> >>
> >> Not in the UK. Last time I got one I could unlock it after three months.
> >
> > in other words, they do lock them.
>
> They did. Now it's rare and certainly not "until fully paid".

Locking is banned with effect from 17 December 2021:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2021/mobile-companies-now-banned-from-selling-locked-handsets

So they don't lock them any more.

Theo

[Chris]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <th992s$1b1gq$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Stop paying for a contracted phone and they send the bailiffs round for
>>>>>> that too, eventually.
>>>>>
>>>>> bit late for that after it's been sold, and if the person used a fake
>>>>> id, it's going to be a dead end.
>>>>
>>>> You're encouraging theft and fraud now? Classy.
>>>
>>> that's quite the twist. i'm not encouraging anything.
>>
>> Not at all. This is what you said:
>>
>>> buy a bunch and resell them for profit.
>>
>> No twist required.
>
> it's called rhetorical hyperbole.

Lol. Keep digging...

>>> the reality is
>>
>> You don't understand the UK market. Stick to what you know.
>
> it's not specific to any market.

It is. As Theo helpfully points out locking was banned last year in the UK.

> the reality is there are people in this world who are dishonest.

No shit Sherlock.

[Ian McCall]

On 29 Sep 2022, Alan B wrote
(in article<th3cm9$jp3r$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

> Makes me wonder how much they would offer for my 4 year old iPad Mini with
> a failing battery? Normally I only buy low tech items such as kettles and
> toasters from them ;)

I went in yesterday with an iPad 2. They thought £10 tops. For a 2017 they
said they’d done £30.

Cheers,
Ian

[SM]

On 28 Sep 2022 at 14:10:32 BST, "Jaimie Vandenbergh"
<jai...@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

> On 27 Sep 2022 at 21:29:45 BST, "Mark" <captai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-27 14:41:54 +0000, Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> said:
>>
>>> ISTR they had a similar sort of offer a year or so back.
>
> They did, I got £150 for my ancient iPad 3.
>
>> You can't get the initial trade-in value if it's not working (but you
>> can still get the 'against an iPad' £100 trade-in). Oddly, you have to
>> select 'Not working' to see that they don't accept any iPad over 7
>> years old (unless you click the little 'Need Help?' link). I can see
>> that causing issues. They'd only give me a fiver for my original iPad
>> anyway (well they wouldn't, as it's over 7 years old. Makes you wonder
>> why there are 7+ year old iPads on the list at all if they don't take
>> 'em).
>
> They learnt from the crap they got from me last time, sorry!
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

How dare you call my iPad 1 crap - easily worth the £150 off the Air ;-)
--
Cheers, Stuart