Leaked OS X 10.3 Box Cover Art!
funkyjudge
Woody
wrote:
>http://www.bka.net/andy/pinkx.jpg
now that would be worth the upgrade price :)
Woody
Jim
> http://www.bka.net/andy/pinkx.jpg
I don't know if that's serious or not but it's bloody wonderful!
Jim
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Exclamation Mark!
could mention!?
;-)
pageNinja
> http://www.bka.net/andy/pinkx.jpg
Now, am I over-analysing this, or did everyone get the whole Pink OS
(made with IBM, supposed to do what OS X is now) and Pink Panther
(former IBM advertising tool) reference?
Allan
Woody
Dave
"pageNinja" <Al...@morvern.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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I wonder if there wasn't a Cato in there too, the Inspector's "Little Yellow
Friend".
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pageNinja
You didn't? ... but ... but ... you're a genius!
<mutter> You'd have to be, to win that bloody game </mutter>
Allan
Woody
(pageNinja) wrote:
which bloody game?
When I was young I was really into the proving I was a genius thing. I
did all the mensa tests and got an IQ of 153 so I got in, if you get
over 148 it puts you in the top 2% IQ of the country - then I went to
a few of the meetings and found that (mostly) they were rather dull
people. genius yes, interesting no. very up their own arses :)
Then I did some more research into the genius thing to see what it
gives you.
It gives you a really short attentions span (got that), a much higher
probability of suicide (haven't done that obviously), a mich higher
probability of ending up in prison (in the US, the average IQ in
prison is 15 points higher then in the general populous and it is
believed that 30% of people with an IQ over 130 are there).
And it doesn't help with games. My wife beats me on all card games,
logic puzzles and even my own games!
Still, I can run rings around her at return to castle wolfenstein,
deus ex and unreal tournament :)
Woody
David Kennedy
>
>
> When I was young I was really into the proving I was a genius thing. I
> did all the mensa tests and got an IQ of 153 so I got in, if you get
> over 148 it puts you in the top 2% IQ of the country - then I went to
> a few of the meetings and found that (mostly) they were rather dull
> people. genius yes, interesting no. very up their own arses :)
Being a genius and using that intelligence in a practical way seems
often to be incompatible.
--
David Kennedy
Bella Jones
david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid wrote on 26/4/03 4:20 pm:
Very very true. That kind of intelligence often seems to exist at the cost
of personal and basic life skills. And there are learnable techniques to IQ
tests; also there are cultural differences in the way people answer them.
Obviously decoding number sequences, rearranging words and turning flat
plans into 3D have their uses in working life, but are not so good when,
say, a) sorting out a family or relationship problem, b) an office politics
problem or c) persuading someone not to sue you, or hit you.
Just to add: in the past I've noticed a correlation between people who join
Mensa and people who take the Advanced Driver's test, (for reasons other
than because of their job)...
Woody
<bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>in article 3EAAA3C9...@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid, David Kennedy at
>david....@no.spam.today.thanks.invalid wrote on 26/4/03 4:20 pm:
>
>> Woody wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> When I was young I was really into the proving I was a genius thing. I
>>> did all the mensa tests and got an IQ of 153 so I got in, if you get
>>> over 148 it puts you in the top 2% IQ of the country - then I went to
>>> a few of the meetings and found that (mostly) they were rather dull
>>> people. genius yes, interesting no. very up their own arses :)
>>
>> Being a genius and using that intelligence in a practical way seems
>> often to be incompatible.
>
>Very very true. That kind of intelligence often seems to exist at the cost
>of personal and basic life skills.
sure does - you should ask my ex-girlfriends :)
>And there are learnable techniques to IQ
>tests; also there are cultural differences in the way people answer them.
only if you are doing the old non-culture fair tests.
>Obviously decoding number sequences, rearranging words and turning flat
>plans into 3D have their uses in working life,
not actually too much of that in the mensa tests as although they are
indicators of intelligence they are also related to your education and
background. Its mostly blobs and patterns
>but are not so good when,
>say, a) sorting out a family or relationship problem,
I am good at that (apart from my family or relationship)
> b) an office politics problem
I tend to stay out of those and now I work at home they don't crop up
to much unless they are tied to (a)
> or c) persuading someone not to sue you, or hit you.
that I am not too good at.
>Just to add: in the past I've noticed a correlation between people who join
>Mensa and people who take the Advanced Driver's test, (for reasons other
>than because of their job)...
I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
I didn't do it in the end.
Woody
Bella Jones
use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 26/4/03 6:31 pm:
>> And there are learnable techniques to IQ
>> tests; also there are cultural differences in the way people answer them.
>
> only if you are doing the old non-culture fair tests.
Ah - didn't know about that.
>> Obviously decoding number sequences, rearranging words and turning flat
>> plans into 3D have their uses in working life,
> Its mostly blobs and patterns
OK. I wear make-up - could that be a good training? :-)
> I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
> because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
> saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
Good point - I didn't think of the insurance aspect....
Woody
<bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>in article v9glavg96c1rdi5c6...@4ax.com, Woody at
>use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 26/4/03 6:31 pm:
>
>>> And there are learnable techniques to IQ
>>> tests; also there are cultural differences in the way people answer them.
>>
>> only if you are doing the old non-culture fair tests.
>
>Ah - didn't know about that.
>
>
>>> Obviously decoding number sequences, rearranging words and turning flat
>>> plans into 3D have their uses in working life,
>
>> Its mostly blobs and patterns
>
>OK. I wear make-up - could that be a good training? :-)
if you do your make up in patterns then yes!
>> I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
>> because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
>> saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
>
>Good point - I didn't think of the insurance aspect....
I did think of doing the skid pan stuff though, partly because it
looked like quite a lot of fun and partly because its probably a good
thing to know. I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
not that I am saying that being in an accident in a car is worse than
being in an accident on a bike, its just different.
And your legs get used to breaking after a while :)
Woody
pageNinja
> >You didn't? ... but ... but ... you're a genius!
> ><mutter> You'd have to be, to win that bloody game </mutter>
> Woody <use...@alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
> which bloody game?
Why, Yagol. Now, I could be getting a terrible picture of it, because
I always seem to play it after 14 hour shifts, but though it's
shockingly addictive, I still haven't cleared a board.
> It gives you a really short attentions span (got that), a much higher
> probability of suicide (haven't done that obviously), a mich higher
Does it also give you trouble sleeping? I got an IQ in the mid-140
region last time I was tested (at school) and have heard tell of
spinning minds being unable to switch off. I have atrocious sleep
difficulties, and that'd be a great excuse...
"Why are you late ... again?"
"So sorry, it's because I'm brainy"
Allan
Woody
> > Al...@morvern.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
> > >You didn't? ... but ... but ... you're a genius!
> > ><mutter> You'd have to be, to win that bloody game </mutter>
>
> > Woody <use...@alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
> > which bloody game?
>
> Why, Yagol. Now, I could be getting a terrible picture of it, because
> I always seem to play it after 14 hour shifts, but though it's
> shockingly addictive, I still haven't cleared a board.
ahh, you can't win that. its an inevitability that you will loose (at
the higher colour/lower grid sizes). anyway, my scores are nowhere near
as good as my wifes, writing the game doesn't really help with that.
>
> > It gives you a really short attentions span (got that), a much higher
> > probability of suicide (haven't done that obviously), a mich higher
>
> Does it also give you trouble sleeping? I got an IQ in the mid-140
> region last time I was tested (at school) and have heard tell of
> spinning minds being unable to switch off.
I do have problems sleeping but I think thats too much caffine and
computing until late!
--
Woody
D.M. Procida
> When I was young I was really into the proving I was a genius thing. I
> did all the mensa tests and got an IQ of 153 so I got in, if you get
> over 148 it puts you in the top 2% IQ of the country - then I went to
> a few of the meetings and found that (mostly) they were rather dull
> people. genius yes, interesting no.
What? Getting super-high scores on IQ tests does not show you are a
genius. It doesn't even show you are intelligent. All it does is show
that you're good at doing IQ tests, and all the IQ tests I've seen (like
that absurd bit of tat the BBC had on their website) are just
collections of white man's puzzles.
Daniele
Woody
you haven't done the right ones then - you are correct, the ones like on
the bbc and similar tests are just white mans puzzles and prove that you
have been educated, they have very little to do with intelegence.
A proper intelegence test you would get the same score even if you
couldn't read.
--
Woody
Bella Jones
use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 11:38 am:
> A proper intelegence test you would get the same score even if you
> couldn't read.
So they're more conceptual in nature, I guess?
Off the top of your head, do you know of any of these newer tests on the
web? (there must be loads, but some more valid than others...)
Of course, If I did one, and got a bad result, it would be a 'genuine' bad
result, and I wouldn't be able to blame 'cultural forces' or 'lack of
practice' (or even 'sexism') for my mediocre brain power... :-)
As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain (this is regardless of
gender). I ended up somewhere in the central band. Best of both worlds?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html
Richard Lanyon
Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
> whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain
Oh, this sort of thing annoys me. Yes, in lots of psychometric studies
you can pick up a statistically significant difference between the mean
performance of subjects of different two sexes. But the fact is that the
standard deviation of these measures is so large, and there's so little
correlation between performance on different tests, that virtually
no-one will actually fit the profile of a "male" or "female" brain.
Richard Lanyon
Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
> different two sexes
Ooops - cut and paste error. The word "different" wasn't meant to be
there.
Woody
> in article 1fu2nwa.17asjck1vunzctN%use...@alienrat.co.uk, Woody at
> use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 11:38 am:
>
>
> > A proper intelegence test you would get the same score even if you
> > couldn't read.
> So they're more conceptual in nature, I guess?
all shapes and blobs and you get about 5 seconds on each sequence so
rather stressing.
> Off the top of your head, do you know of any of these newer tests on the
> web? (there must be loads, but some more valid than others...)
had a brief look (can't spend long, my OU tma is due in today and I have
done.. aproximately nothing as I forgot and thought it was next week!)
I found this which mentions the tests (and the bbc test).
http://www.mensa.org.uk/mensa/iqlevels.html
>
> Of course, If I did one, and got a bad result, it would be a 'genuine' bad
> result, and I wouldn't be able to blame 'cultural forces' or 'lack of
> practice' (or even 'sexism') for my mediocre brain power... :-)
On the tests they did there were 2 sets of culture fair tests and one of
the standard ones (I am not good at those, especially the word ones).
you could still blame bad day or bad hangover!
> As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
> whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain (this is regardless of
> gender). I ended up somewhere in the central band. Best of both worlds?
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/news/page/0,12983,937443,00.html
well that helps with my OU!
my EQ is good for a boy and bad for a girl (44) and in the SQ test I am
in the asberger or high functioning autistic range - yay! (44 again).
hmm.. thats the second test I did that said I was autistic..
I also have a problem with the name of that syndrome, asberger, sound
too much like the curse of the boss in stressed eric! (assburger)
--
Woody
Woody
I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
about. Obviously no on-line test is going to give you acurate figures
about anything but its just something to do and joke about with your
friends (although obviously if you get a high score, you wouldn't
actually have any ;)
--
Woody
Bella Jones
Lanyon at ric...@jitter.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 1:56 pm:
To be fair, it gives a graph/chart of all points between totally one and
totally the other - it's not a 'Mostly A's = Hey! You're a bit girly, aren't
you?' type thing. But maybe I wasn't clear - it's just that, for
convenience, they've called the 'emotional' brain 'female' and the other one
'male' (given that, generally, women and men score differently on the
tests).
Anyway, don't want to defend the Guardian *too* much, as I've really had
enough of that paper...!
Richard Lanyon
use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <BAD18830.EBC3%bella...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> > Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
> > > whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain
> > Oh, this sort of thing annoys me.
> I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
> about.
Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
Richard Lanyon
Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> But maybe I wasn't clear - it's just that, for
> convenience, they've called the 'emotional' brain 'female' and the other one
> 'male' (given that, generally, women and men score differently on the
> tests).
Well, I suppose at least they didn't call them "left brain" and "right
brain"...
Bella Jones
use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 1:56 pm:
>> So they're more conceptual in nature, I guess?
>
> all shapes and blobs and you get about 5 seconds on each sequence so
> rather stressing.
Hope not too visuo-spatial though. Can't do those - I'm a girlie! ;-)
> I found this which mentions the tests (and the bbc test).
>
> http://www.mensa.org.uk/mensa/iqlevels.html
Thanks! (what is OU tma may I ask?)
> my EQ is good for a boy and bad for a girl (44) and in the SQ test I am
> in the asberger or high functioning autistic range - yay! (44 again).
I got 67 for EQ and 40 for SQ. But will this help me in daily life...?
> I also have a problem with the name of that syndrome, asberger, sound
> too much like the curse of the boss in stressed eric! (assburger)
Aspergers Syndrome? Name reminds me too much of a vegetable...
Bella Jones
Lanyon at ric...@jitter.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 3:12 pm:
> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
Know what you mean... But hey, I got 40 on the SQ test, so I'm one of you
really! ;-)
I'm getting the impression here that you'd really, really hate horoscopes.
Richard Lanyon
Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm getting the impression here that you'd really, really hate horoscopes.
You're so right. It's probably because I'm a Pisces. ;)
Woody
> in article 1fu2tur.1rcq5xa1yju9N%use...@alienrat.co.uk, Woody at
> use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 1:56 pm:
>
>
> >> So they're more conceptual in nature, I guess?
> >
> > all shapes and blobs and you get about 5 seconds on each sequence so
> > rather stressing.
>
> Hope not too visuo-spatial though. Can't do those - I'm a girlie! ;-)
hehe - I think there are some shopping and fashion questions in there to
compensate ;)
> > I found this which mentions the tests (and the bbc test).
> >
> > http://www.mensa.org.uk/mensa/iqlevels.html
>
> Thanks! (what is OU tma may I ask?)
Its an Open University Tutor Marked Assessment - basicaly continuous
assesment through the year and then an exam at the end. you get about 4
weeks for each one but I have a very bad habit of avoiding it for 3
weeks and 6 days and then going mad on the last day
> > my EQ is good for a boy and bad for a girl (44) and in the SQ test I am
> > in the asberger or high functioning autistic range - yay! (44 again).
>
> I got 67 for EQ and 40 for SQ. But will this help me in daily life...?
if your job is caring about things or crying at films then yes!
>
> > I also have a problem with the name of that syndrome, asberger, sound
> > too much like the curse of the boss in stressed eric! (assburger)
>
> Aspergers Syndrome? Name reminds me too much of a vegetable...
makes me think of a bottom in a bun..
--
Woody
Woody
> In article <1fu2v5h.mfktqphjeck9N%use...@alienrat.co.uk>,
> use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
>
> > Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <BAD18830.EBC3%bella...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> > > Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
> > > > whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain
>
> > > Oh, this sort of thing annoys me.
>
> > I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
> > about.
>
> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
I thought it was purely shopping and football ;)
--
Woody
Bella Jones
use...@alienrat.co.uk wrote on 27/4/03 3:58 pm:
>> Hope not too visuo-spatial though. Can't do those - I'm a girlie! ;-)
>
> hehe - I think there are some shopping and fashion questions in there to
> compensate ;)
Oh PHEW! 'Compare and contrast Co-Enzyme Q10 with Active Copper'. I'm in.
>> I got 67 for EQ and 40 for SQ. But will this help me in daily life...?
>
> if your job is caring about things or crying at films then yes!
Oh. Maybe the test was wrong. :-)
But 40 SQ is an average score for a bloke too. Where's my pint? Must throw
some socks around and then wonder how kettles *really* work.
>> Aspergers Syndrome? Name reminds me too much of a vegetable...
>
> makes me think of a bottom in a bun..
Eh?? Oh, just got it :-)
D.M. Procida
> > I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
> > about.
>
> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
For my part, I'm absolutely delighted by some of those differences and
would miss them terribly.
Daniele
Jon B
>
> >> I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
> >> because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
> >> saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
> >
> >Good point - I didn't think of the insurance aspect....
>
> I did think of doing the skid pan stuff though, partly because it
> looked like quite a lot of fun and partly because its probably a good
> thing to know.
With your car and a big wet car park/flat grassy field just the same.
How I learnt in the Capri ;)
> I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
> doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
>
Try
<http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/catalogue/search.asp?keyword=&CLS=&brand=
FERODO&price=&Search=Search>
I think it's the DS2500 I've got fitted to my mk2 Golf, as the standard
brakes are to say the least a bit pants. These cost me around £50 for
the front, which bearing in mind pads from the local auto factors are
around £12 ain't cheap. But stopping distances are greatly reduced and I
won't go back (I was running on £30 Pagid sports pads but these are
still worth the extra money).
--
Jon
jon.br...@btinternet.com
Woody
jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com (Jon B) wrote:
>
>>
>> >> I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
>> >> because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
>> >> saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
>> >
>> >Good point - I didn't think of the insurance aspect....
>>
>I did them for the same reason :)
>
>> I did think of doing the skid pan stuff though, partly because it
>> looked like quite a lot of fun and partly because its probably a good
>> thing to know.
>With your car and a big wet car park/flat grassy field just the same.
>How I learnt in the Capri ;)
my car weighs just under 2 tons and makes 250bhp at the back wheels..
don't think I would be able to get anywhere in a grassy field!!
>> I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
>> doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
>>
>Try
><http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/catalogue/search.asp?keyword=&CLS=&brand=
>FERODO&price=&Search=Search>
>
>I think it's the DS2500 I've got fitted to my mk2 Golf, as the standard
>brakes are to say the least a bit pants. These cost me around £50 for
>the front, which bearing in mind pads from the local auto factors are
>around £12 ain't cheap. But stopping distances are greatly reduced and I
>won't go back (I was running on £30 Pagid sports pads but these are
>still worth the extra money).
prbably worth the try but stopping distances in a car just seem so
long compared to a bike.. its that whole weight thing.
Woody
David Kennedy
>
>
>>I did think of doing the skid pan stuff though, partly because it
>>looked like quite a lot of fun and partly because its probably a good
>>thing to know.
>
> With your car and a big wet car park/flat grassy field just the same.
> How I learnt in the Capri ;)
>
As a younger person we used the local football field in the wet - I
suspect that we would be lynched if we tried it these days - and
discovered that if you headed full speed up the field then it was
possible by executing a nifty handbrake turn to 'score' a goal with the
mini's we had then passing between the goalposts backwards with the
front wheel drive furiously scrabbling for grip and trying to take you
in the opposite direction.
No doubt our insurers would not have been very amused to say nothing of
the local constabulary. But, things were a lot more casual then. I
remember being run off the road by a gent in a Rover 110 coming towards
me on my side of the road in town one day. Taking avoiding action almost
meant a visit inside the local Co-op. I got off the pavement and saw
that he'd parked further up the street so I went along to point out to
him that perhaps he should be more observant. I was stopped by the local
bobby who told me to 'be on my way' as the gent concerned was the local
magistrate.....
--
David Kennedy
Jon B
> >> >> I did once think of doing the advanced drivers test but that was
> >> >> because I had not much NCB and a Japanese import car so it would have
> >> >> saved me over £300 a year in insurance.
> >> >
> >> >Good point - I didn't think of the insurance aspect....
> >>
> >I did them for the same reason :)
> >
> >> I did think of doing the skid pan stuff though, partly because it
> >> looked like quite a lot of fun and partly because its probably a good
> >> thing to know.
> >With your car and a big wet car park/flat grassy field just the same.
> >How I learnt in the Capri ;)
>
> my car weighs just under 2 tons and makes 250bhp at the back wheels..
> don't think I would be able to get anywhere in a grassy field!!
>
lawn at Sledmere House, Porsche club vs TVR club, there was a 928GTS
kicking out over 300bhp, 944Turbo 250bhp etc all managing fairly well.
My local Clumber Park has some nice areas well suited to a good play :)
> >> I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
> >> doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
> >>
> >Try
> ><http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/catalogue/search.asp?keyword=&CLS=&brand=
> >FERODO&price=&Search=Search>
> >
> >I think it's the DS2500 I've got fitted to my mk2 Golf, as the standard
> >brakes are to say the least a bit pants. These cost me around £50 for
> >the front, which bearing in mind pads from the local auto factors are
> >around £12 ain't cheap. But stopping distances are greatly reduced and I
> >won't go back (I was running on £30 Pagid sports pads but these are
> >still worth the extra money).
>
> prbably worth the try but stopping distances in a car just seem so
> long compared to a bike.. its that whole weight thing.
>
Without totally revising the braking system you probably never would get
close to a bikes, but the better pads are a lot more reasuring. You
could always stick the Supra on a diet too.
--
Jon
jon.br...@btinternet.com
Woody
jon.bradbur...@btinternet.com (Jon B) wrote:
>> my car weighs just under 2 tons and makes 250bhp at the back wheels..
>> don't think I would be able to get anywhere in a grassy field!!
>>
>You ought to, we did an car equestrian event two years ago on a sodden
>lawn at Sledmere House, Porsche club vs TVR club, there was a 928GTS
>kicking out over 300bhp, 944Turbo 250bhp etc all managing fairly well.
>My local Clumber Park has some nice areas well suited to a good play :)
I can't think of anywhere local that the owner wouldn't mind me
skidding around!
>
>> >> I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
>> >> doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
>> >>
>> >Try
>> ><http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/catalogue/search.asp?keyword=&CLS=&brand=
>> >FERODO&price=&Search=Search>
>> >
>> >I think it's the DS2500 I've got fitted to my mk2 Golf, as the standard
>> >brakes are to say the least a bit pants. These cost me around £50 for
>> >the front, which bearing in mind pads from the local auto factors are
>> >around £12 ain't cheap. But stopping distances are greatly reduced and I
>> >won't go back (I was running on £30 Pagid sports pads but these are
>> >still worth the extra money).
>>
>> prbably worth the try but stopping distances in a car just seem so
>> long compared to a bike.. its that whole weight thing.
>>
>Without totally revising the braking system you probably never would get
>close to a bikes, but the better pads are a lot more reasuring. You
>could always stick the Supra on a diet too.
remove the seats you mean? :)
Woody
Jon B
> >> don't think I would be able to get anywhere in a grassy field!!
> >>
> >You ought to, we did an car equestrian event two years ago on a sodden
> >lawn at Sledmere House, Porsche club vs TVR club, there was a 928GTS
> >kicking out over 300bhp, 944Turbo 250bhp etc all managing fairly well.
> >My local Clumber Park has some nice areas well suited to a good play :)
>
> I can't think of anywhere local that the owner wouldn't mind me
> skidding around!
>
anything.
Actually late one night in my youth we were 'playing' in a deserted
gravel car park a mile or so from houses, and my Capri had been doing a
lighthouse impression. What we didn't know was this was the local
dumping ground for nicked cars, so somebody had reported us to the
police so we ended up with 2 police cars, one to block us in and one to
question us. Satisfied we were doing no harm and only playing, they left
us to it but asked us if we'd do it with the lights off so we couldn't
be seen in the distance.
> >
> >> >> I still have a problem with being in a big cage that
> >> >> doesn't like stopping after years riding a bike.
> >> >>
> >> >Try
> >> ><http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/catalogue/search.asp?keyword=&CLS=&brand=
> >> >FERODO&price=&Search=Search>
> >> >
> >> >I think it's the DS2500 I've got fitted to my mk2 Golf, as the standard
> >> >brakes are to say the least a bit pants. These cost me around £50 for
> >> >the front, which bearing in mind pads from the local auto factors are
> >> >around £12 ain't cheap. But stopping distances are greatly reduced and I
> >> >won't go back (I was running on £30 Pagid sports pads but these are
> >> >still worth the extra money).
> >>
> >> prbably worth the try but stopping distances in a car just seem so
> >> long compared to a bike.. its that whole weight thing.
> >>
> >Without totally revising the braking system you probably never would get
> >close to a bikes, but the better pads are a lot more reasuring. You
> >could always stick the Supra on a diet too.
>
> remove the seats you mean? :)
>
Yeah that's the kind of idea, if you can live without it, take it out,
back seats, soundproofing...............
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Jon
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PeterD
> >And there are learnable techniques to IQ
> >tests; also there are cultural differences in the way people answer them.
>
> only if you are doing the old non-culture fair tests.
No such thing as a culture-free IQ test, is there?
If it has word-based questions, they are by their nature cultural.
I know I wouldn't do well in a Japanese IQ test.
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Pd
Woody
wrote:
strangely enough, it shouldn't make a difference
http://www.japanmensa.org/testing.html
As I said in previous posts, being able to read or not should not make
a difference in a proper IQ test as IQ is not a measure of your
language skills
Woody
PeterD
Umm - doesn't it depend on how you define intelligence?
I have an artist friend who paints astounding pictures, but I'm not sure
he's very intelligent. His use of colour, shade, shape are close to what
I would call genius, if that means being able to produce a certain
feeling using oils and canvas.
Does intelligence mean being able to think deeply?
How would you test that?
Does it mean the ability to recognise patterns?
Isn't that what IQ tests measure?
And perhaps if we live in a white man's society, where the lawmakers and
financial demi-gods are overwhelmingly white men, then the measure of
ability to solve white man's puzzles is of some value.
How about we make the test really complex, and relate to all kinds of
things that affect success in life, like ability to make the right
friends, express yourself, identify what other people want, persuade
others, be attractive etc, and what if we relate it all to money?
Hey, I've just invented capitalism!
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Pd
PeterD
> In article <1fu2v5h.mfktqphjeck9N%use...@alienrat.co.uk>,
> use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
>
> > Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <BAD18830.EBC3%bella...@yahoo.co.uk>,
> > > Bella Jones <bella...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As an aside, the Guardian has a quite interesting couple of tests to see
> > > > whether you have a 'male' or 'female' type brain
>
> > > Oh, this sort of thing annoys me.
>
> > I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
> > about.
>
> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
Honestly, you men are all the same.
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Pd
PeterD
> Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > I think you have to take them as fun little tests to do and have a laugh
> > > about.
> >
> > Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> > so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> > possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
>
> For my part,
Which part would that be?
> I'm absolutely delighted by some of those differences and
> would miss them terribly.
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Pd
Woody
wrote:
>D.M. Procida <{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Woody <use...@alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > When I was young I was really into the proving I was a genius thing. I
>> > did all the mensa tests and got an IQ of 153 so I got in, if you get
>> > over 148 it puts you in the top 2% IQ of the country - then I went to
>> > a few of the meetings and found that (mostly) they were rather dull
>> > people. genius yes, interesting no.
>>
>> What? Getting super-high scores on IQ tests does not show you are a
>> genius. It doesn't even show you are intelligent. All it does is show
>> that you're good at doing IQ tests, and all the IQ tests I've seen (like
>> that absurd bit of tat the BBC had on their website) are just
>> collections of white man's puzzles.
>
>Umm - doesn't it depend on how you define intelligence?
it does.
>I have an artist friend who paints astounding pictures, but I'm not sure
>he's very intelligent. His use of colour, shade, shape are close to what
>I would call genius, if that means being able to produce a certain
>feeling using oils and canvas.
Genius is either exceptional artistic ability or exceptional
intelegence in my dictionary. From what you say he is a genius.
>Does intelligence mean being able to think deeply?
no
>How would you test that?
dunno.. a ruler?
>Does it mean the ability to recognise patterns?
>Isn't that what IQ tests measure?
its pattern recognition in the tests but IQ is a mesurement of
inteligence and all intelegence is is the ability (or speed) to learn
- it doesn't say you know anything, just that you could
>And perhaps if we live in a white man's society, where the lawmakers and
>financial demi-gods are overwhelmingly white men, then the measure of
>ability to solve white man's puzzles is of some value.
I guess so. it depends on what background you have
>How about we make the test really complex, and relate to all kinds of
>things that affect success in life, like ability to make the right
>friends, express yourself, identify what other people want, persuade
>others, be attractive etc, and what if we relate it all to money?
Intelligence does not imply success in life, in fact quite often its
just the oposite.
>Hey, I've just invented capitalism!
well done! I sugest you start a war with a country that you dont like
a long way away just to test if it works!
Woody
PeterD
> http://www.japanmensa.org/testing.html
"The Mensa Workout requires that you read and understand Endlish well."
Umm, riiiight. Me do Endlish good.
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Pd
Richard Lanyon
pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid (PeterD) wrote:
> Richard Lanyon <ric...@jitter.co.uk> wrote:
> > Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
> > so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> > possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
> Honestly, you men are all the same.
LOL!
D.M. Procida
> > For my part,
>
> Which part would that be?
It's, well, you know, just *my part*.
Daniele
Bruce Horrocks
<pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> writes
>> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
>> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
>> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
>
>Honestly, you men are all the same.
OT diversion: <http://www.granby.demon.co.uk/pics/masters.jpg>
Regards,
--
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire
England
b...@granby.demon.co.uk
D.M. Procida
> >Honestly, you men are all the same.
>
> OT diversion: <http://www.granby.demon.co.uk/pics/masters.jpg>
Shame. I though we were going to see a somehow appropriate photo of you.
Daniele
Steve Folly
Horrocks" <b...@granby.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <1fu4sa1.goisgm1kq5ux5N%pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid>, PeterD
> <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> writes
>>> Yeah, I know, I just sometimes find it a bit depressing that people seem
>>> so intent on pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
>>> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
>>
>> Honestly, you men are all the same.
>
> OT diversion: <http://www.granby.demon.co.uk/pics/masters.jpg>
LOL!! If that's genuine, how long did it take before they turned around and
saw him???
Steve.
Peter Ceresole
{$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote:
>What? Getting super-high scores on IQ tests does not show you are a
>genius. It doesn't even show you are intelligent.
IQ tests are *really* traps to identify troublemakers and nit pickers. When
the time comes, THEY'll know where they all live. Like gassing all the
intellectuals in one go in the British Museum Reading Room.
As for overall IQ being higher in US jails than in the general population-
well of course. People in jail can't vote. The results are clear to see
(and yes, I know George Doubledumb Bush wasn't actually elected, but he got
frighteningly close.)
--
Peter
Bella Jones
Procida at {$usenet$}@apple-juice.co.uk wrote on 28/4/03 10:12 pm:
Or maybe it's actually him at the back...
Adrian Tuddenham
> .... pointing out *differences* between men and women. That's
> possibly just a personal hang-up of mine...
You're suffering from inverted gravity, most peoples' differences hang
down.
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zoara
> But 40 SQ is an average score for a bloke too. Where's my pint? Must throw
> some socks around and then wonder how kettles *really* work.
*laugh* those last two are *so* me.
-z-
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