Re: A Mulitude of Updates

[Ian McCall]

On 25 Oct 2021, Alan B wrote
(in article<sl6so5$nss$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

> Alan B<alanrich...@nospamgmail.com.here> wrote:
> > Monterey, iOS 15.1, iPadOS 15.1 …….
> >
> > Maybe best to wait wait and see what the reactions are first?
>
> Multitude - I never could spell ;)

Plus HomePod and tvOS, though I don’t really know what’s new there.

Cheers,
Ian

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 25, 2021, Alan B wrote
(in article<sl6sh9$me1$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

> Maybe best to wait wait and see what the reactions are first?

Monterey seems... okay. Still not sure if there's enough to tempt me away
from Mojave.

MST

[Ian McCall]

On 25 Oct 2021, Martin S Taylor wrote
(in article<0001HW.272757CF00...@news.eternal-september.org>):

I’m just happy to have proper tabs back - the Montery beta / Big Sur Safari
15.0 debacle was...unpleasant.

Cheers,
Ian

[David Brooks]

Monterey is working just fine for me.

I've even had a listen to some great guitar playing here:-
https://martintaylor.com

:-D

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On 25 Oct 2021 at 22:23:27 BST, "Martin S Taylor"

Won't Mojave stop getting security updates about now?

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Everyone generalizes from one example. At least, I do."
-- Steven Brust

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 25, 2021, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote
(in article <itor1v...@mid.individual.net>):

> > Monterey seems... okay. Still not sure if there's enough to tempt me away
> > from Mojave.
> >
> > MST
>
> Won't Mojave stop getting security updates about now?

Possibly. I definitely decided against Big Sur (and Catalina) but I'm
considering Monterey. But I have so many 32-bit apps which won't run even in
emulation, with Numbers '09 being top of the list.

MST

[Graeme Wall]

Numbers 09 files update to the later version of Numbers without any
problems. I was dubious about changing as all my accounts are done using
numbers but the reality was problem free.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

[Ian McCall]

On 26 Oct 2021, Alan B wrote
(in article<sl870u$cih$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):

> MacRumors has summarised the updates. They don’t seem to see Live Text as a
> major feature.
>
> <https://www.macrumors.com/guide/macos-monterey-features/>

Yeah, that’s an odd list. His top feature is...Erase All Content&
Settings? I mean it’s definitely nice, but it’s not exactly day-to-day.

Number 2 is Universal Control...which doesn’t exist yet.

His number 3 is Memoji

Yeah, I think we’re dealing with a very different set of priorities to me.
For me - his 4, Airplay on Mac, is handy and makes it feature-complete though
I’m unlikely to use it much. Auto-resizing windows is currently working
great for me on this 27” external monitor I’m using in tandem with the
16” internal screen.

Is it me simply not understanding what’s so special about tab groups?
I’ve been using something similar for years by creating folders of tabs - I
just don’t get the difference. Am I missing something?

Cheers,
Ian

[Mark]

Martin S Taylor <corresp...@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> wrote:

Been trying to wean myself off Pages ‘09. Slowly (and sadly) but surely.

--
Cheers ... Mark

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 26, 2021, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <sl8cgc$abl$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Numbers 09 files update to the later version of Numbers without any
> problems. I was dubious about changing as all my accounts are done using
> numbers but the reality was problem free.

Oh I know that, but as I've lamented here before, the latest Numbers has
horrid features which I can't get used to:

• The side panel takes up so much room, and you have to have a panel for
every window. Even closing it doesn't save space, because of the way it opens
to obscure part of the window.

• You can't search for alphanumberic strings inside formulae.

• Formulae and contents of cells are displayed in a bar at the *bottom* of
the window, which means you can't work with the window dangling off the edge
of the screen.

But it's a lost cause. Rant over, I suppose.

MST

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 26, 2021, Mark wrote
(in article <sl8e8v$103l$1...@gioia.aioe.org>):

> Been trying to wean myself off Pages ‘09. Slowly (and sadly) but surely.

Yep, that, too. So many useful feature ditched in the latest version
(Outlining, Mail Merge...) just so that we can include hyperlinks, videos and
sound files in our Word Processing documents.

At least there's a viable alternative in Nisus, whereas there's no
replacement for Numbers '09.

MST

[Mark]

On 2021-10-26 14:02:06 +0000, Martin S Taylor

I'd completely forgotten about Nissus. I also keep forgetting about
Bean - even though I actually have it installed...
--
Cheers ... Mark

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On 26 Oct 2021 at 09:08:39 BST, "Ian McCall" <i...@eruvia.org> wrote:

> Is it me simply not understanding what’s so special about tab groups?
> I’ve been using something similar for years by creating folders of tabs - I
> just don’t get the difference. Am I missing something?

Nope. As far as I can tell, it's designed to handle the same thing as
multiple browser windows are, but in one (probably full screen) window.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of
producing random digits is, of course, in a state
of sin. -- John von Neumann

[Graeme Wall]

On 26/10/2021 15:00, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2021, Graeme Wall wrote
> (in article <sl8cgc$abl$1...@dont-email.me>):
>
>> Numbers 09 files update to the later version of Numbers without any
>> problems. I was dubious about changing as all my accounts are done using
>> numbers but the reality was problem free.
>
> Oh I know that, but as I've lamented here before, the latest Numbers has
> horrid features which I can't get used to:
>
> • The side panel takes up so much room, and you have to have a panel for
> every window. Even closing it doesn't save space, because of the way it opens
> to obscure part of the window.
>
> • You can't search for alphanumberic strings inside formulae.

That, I agree, is a pain!

>
> • Formulae and contents of cells are displayed in a bar at the *bottom* of
> the window, which means you can't work with the window dangling off the edge
> of the screen.
>

I don't do that but then I'm using a 27" iMac so plenty of screen real
estate available, see also side panels.

[Chris Ridd]

On 26/10/2021 09:08, Ian McCall wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2021, Alan B wrote
> (in article<sl870u$cih$1...@alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org>):
>
>> MacRumors has summarised the updates. They don’t seem to see Live Text as a
>> major feature.
>>
>> <https://www.macrumors.com/guide/macos-monterey-features/>
>
> Yeah, that’s an odd list. His top feature is...Erase All Content&
> Settings? I mean it’s definitely nice, but it’s not exactly day-to-day.

If that enables remote wiping of M1 Macs, then that's the critical
securityfeature that's prevented us from rolling out M1s to people. So
*definitely nice* for us :-)

--
Chris

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 26, 2021, Graeme Wall wrote

(in article <sl9o0h$51j$5...@dont-email.me>):

> I don't do that but then I'm using a 27" iMac so plenty of screen real
> estate available, see also side panels.

So am I! My spreadsheets are pretty big.

MST

[Graeme Wall]

What is the advantage of having the bottom of the window off the screen?

[Martin S Taylor]

On Oct 27, 2021, Graeme Wall wrote
(in article <slbdml$pg0$3...@dont-email.me>):

> > > I don't do that but then I'm using a 27" iMac so plenty of screen real
> > > estate available, see also side panels.
> >
> > So am I! My spreadsheets are pretty big.
>
> What is the advantage of having the bottom of the window off the screen?

There's no advantage per se, but sometimes I'll quickly grab a window and
move it down a bit so that I can see the top of whatever's behind it.

Maybe I'll then click on this other window, then revert to the original
window to check on the contents of a highlighted cell - except that the
details of that cell are now dangling off the bottom of the screen.

MST

[Graeme Wall]

On 27/10/2021 13:03, Martin S Taylor wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2021, Graeme Wall wrote
> (in article <slbdml$pg0$3...@dont-email.me>):
>
>>>> I don't do that but then I'm using a 27" iMac so plenty of screen real
>>>> estate available, see also side panels.
>>>
>>> So am I! My spreadsheets are pretty big.
>>
>> What is the advantage of having the bottom of the window off the screen?
>
> There's no advantage per se, but sometimes I'll quickly grab a window and
> move it down a bit so that I can see the top of whatever's behind it.

I use the double fingertap for that, but then I have a thing about
moving windows willy-nily as I often have them set up to dove-tail with
windows from other apps.

>
> Maybe I'll then click on this other window, then revert to the original
> window to check on the contents of a highlighted cell - except that the
> details of that cell are now dangling off the bottom of the screen.
>
> MST
>