atos needs to take control

[Martin S Taylor]

Hi:

iDVD is the most perversse and buggy program which I've ever known Apple
to release, but it has just excelled itself.

I have a template for a DVD which references a file which I've deleted.
So when I load the template, it points this out to me. So I delete all
references to the file, make no other changes, and save the template.

Now, when I open the saved template, I get a dialogue pop-up saying:

atos needs to take control of another proces for debugging to continue.
Type your password to allow this.

I certainly don't feel confident about handing over control, so I don't
type my password. I hit Cancel instead. Now a new dialogue box:

Developer Tools Access needs to take control of another proces for
debugging to continue. Type your password to allow this.

Does this make any sense to anyone?

Martin S Taylor

[Chris Ridd]

atos is part of Apple's developer tools - it helps produce a more
useful crash dump for developers. So some internal bit of iDVD is
crashing.

Giving it your password seems sensible to me, but I'm not sure what
will happen after it properly symbolicates (oo er missus) things.
Probably not much, the thing that's crashing will still crash.

Is there still nothing better than iDVD?

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Chris

[Sara Merriman]

In article <m5kaou$31k$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com>
wrote:

Thing is, when it works, it works very well.

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[Martin S Taylor]

Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:

> Is there still nothing better than iDVD?

Not really. DVDs are on the way out - or at least, that's what software
developers believe. How I'm supposed to make money selling recordings of
my show I'm not sure. (I think we've explored this one already).

MST

[Gavin]

Toast will do the authoring side of it lovely.


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[Richard Tobin]

In article <1lw0s4e.adlxq91rcqd6oN%ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk>,

Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:

>Now, when I open the saved template, I get a dialogue pop-up saying:
>
>atos needs to take control of another proces for debugging to continue.
>Type your password to allow this.

Sound like the program has crashed and it's trying to start the
debugger, possibly to send a crash report to Apple. It's not likely
to do you any good.

-- Richard

[Sara Merriman]

In article <m5kgrb$q4d$1...@dont-email.me>, Gavin

The problem I found with Toast was creating more than the most basic of
menus.

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[Martin S Taylor]

Sara Merriman <sarame...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> > Toast will do the authoring side of it lovely.
>
> The problem I found with Toast was creating more than the most basic of
> menus.

Yes, just that. iDVD, on a good day, will allow all kinds of
transitions, menus, bacground music, and my logo to boot.

MST

[Flavio Matani]

Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:

I'm getting that with Bento, another orphaned app...




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[SM]

Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:

> > Is there still nothing better than iDVD?
>
> Not really.

DVD Studio Pro is far better and still working with Yosemite, plus you
can get much better quality making the MPEG2 and audio files in
Compressor.

Stuart
--
cut that out to reply

[Chris Ridd]

On 2014-12-02 20:47:55 +0000, SM said:

> Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Is there still nothing better than iDVD?
>>
>> Not really.
>
> DVD Studio Pro is far better and still working with Yosemite, plus you
> can get much better quality making the MPEG2 and audio files in
> Compressor.

It isn't available any more though, or is it?

--
Chris

[Mike Dee]

You could take a look at DVDStyler:
<http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/>

Its a free GPL'd program - not crippled share or payware.

I've only used it on Windows, but there is a Mac binary there for DL.
Say's 2008 on DL page, this was when it was 1st created. Latest
version, 2.8 is from 09/2014.

Features:
* create and burn DVD video with interactive menus
* design your own DVD menu or select one from the list of ready to
use menu templates
* create photo slideshow
* add multiple subtitle and audio tracks
* and much more...

--
dee

[SM]

It's rumoured that you can still buy the last Final Cut Studio suite by
phoning Apple - you'd have to _really_ want DVDSP to go that route.

I believe Adobe has dropped Encore, its DVD authoring program.

Compressor can make basic DVDs and Blu-rays.

There's still Sonic Scenarist for the high end.

[David Kennedy]

On 02/12/2014 12:19, Chris Ridd wrote:
>
> Is there still nothing better than iDVD?
>

I got fed up with iDVD and started using MovieGate for DVDs but don't really
do that many.

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

[Sara Merriman]

In article <XnsA3F8592E...@emteedee.invalid>, Mike Dee

I'll have a look at that, ta.

[Martin S Taylor]

SM <in...@that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> > > DVD Studio Pro is far better and still working with Yosemite, plus you
> > > can get much better quality making the MPEG2 and audio files in
> > > Compressor.
> >
> > It isn't available any more though, or is it?
>
> It's rumoured that you can still buy the last Final Cut Studio suite by
> phoning Apple - you'd have to _really_ want DVDSP to go that route.

I have it already. There's no manual (or, to be accurate, I have the
manual and it's useless) and I just couldn't work it out. There were odd
problems with the finished product, too. (Chris may remember a long
bafflement we had over fonts). At least when iDVD can be cajoled into
working the finished item is excellent.

> I believe Adobe has dropped Encore, its DVD authoring program.

I have the manual for that, too, though not the program. It's
*amazingly* bad. Chapter 1 describes how to upgrade from previous
versions. It goes on to talk about how it links with Adobe Bridge. Then
it talks about seting up a project, and how to align the windows and
stuff. You have to read between the lines very carefully to realise it's
a program for authoring DVDs - it really doesn't tell you that.

> Compressor can make basic DVDs and Blu-rays.

Not a hope.

> There's still Sonic Scenarist for the high end.

I'll take a look. The trouble is that DVDs *are* obsolescent, just not
obsolete, so I don't want to spend a lot of cash on a program.

Thanks for the input, anyhow.

MST

[Martin S Taylor]

Flavio Matani <flavio...@not-here-at-mac.com> wrote:

> > Does this make any sense to anyone?
>
>
> I'm getting that with Bento, another orphaned app...

I never switched to Bento as I already have and use FileMaker Pro. I'm
dreading the day an OS update forces me to upgrade FMP - have you seen
how much it costs?

MST

[SM]

Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:

> SM <in...@that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > DVD Studio Pro is far better and still working with Yosemite, plus you
> > > > can get much better quality making the MPEG2 and audio files in
> > > > Compressor.
> > >
> > > It isn't available any more though, or is it?
> >
> > It's rumoured that you can still buy the last Final Cut Studio suite by
> > phoning Apple - you'd have to _really_ want DVDSP to go that route.
>
> I have it already. There's no manual (or, to be accurate, I have the
> manual and it's useless) and I just couldn't work it out. There were odd
> problems with the finished product, too. (Chris may remember a long
> bafflement we had over fonts). At least when iDVD can be cajoled into
> working the finished item is excellent.

I remember we've had this discussion repeatedly over the years.

You can get better results with DVDSP, not least because you can get
much better compression with a good set-up in Compressor, particularly
going from HD footage to DVD. Also, DVDSP is stable and reliable for me.

Once you get a project set up as a template for your discs it'd be
pretty smooth IMHO.

I've got the Peachpit Press DVD Studio Pro 4 training manual which is
thorough. I mainly refer to it if there's something I've forgotten like
adding a story. Recommended if you're willing to give learning DVDSP a
go.

There'a also training on lynda.com which has a free 7-day trial.

> > I believe Adobe has dropped Encore, its DVD authoring program.
>
> I have the manual for that, too, though not the program. It's
> *amazingly* bad. Chapter 1 describes how to upgrade from previous
> versions. It goes on to talk about how it links with Adobe Bridge. Then
> it talks about seting up a project, and how to align the windows and
> stuff. You have to read between the lines very carefully to realise it's
> a program for authoring DVDs - it really doesn't tell you that.

I might have to learn Encore as the only way I can burn Blu-ray discs is
with Toast. Encore's got some stupefyingly obnoxious themes - as has
iDVD and DVDSP.

Generally the Blu-rays I make are just HD screeners which Toast manages
fine, but its menus and themes are limited.

Also, I'm not sure whether it's possible to buy Encore now that Adobe
has gone to the CC subscription model.

> > Compressor can make basic DVDs and Blu-rays.
>
> Not a hope.

I think I meant FCPX which as you know can only make extremely basic
DVDs.

> > There's still Sonic Scenarist for the high end.
>
> I'll take a look. The trouble is that DVDs *are* obsolescent, just not
> obsolete, so I don't want to spend a lot of cash on a program.

I working with a producer at the moment on a DVD project with content
including SD, 1440x1080 HDV and full HD. She'd tried chucking it into
iDVD herself with interesting results.

[Paul Sture]

In article
<1lw0s4e.adlxq91rcqd6oN%ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk>,

The Developer Tools Access certainly means something to me, because I
ran into it again after doing a wipe and reinstall for Yosemite.

Being a member of the _developer (or IIRC under previous OS X versions
the _developertools group) grants this access and is necessary for Xcode
itself to grab and display the output of console programs (e.g. the
output using NSlog as in the default "Hello World" program when you
create a new project selecting the 'Command Line Tool' template).

Once you add _developer to a non-admin user's groups Xcode no longer
prompts for Developer Tools Access.

Unfortunately the Workgroup Manager flavours that were available for
previous versions of OS X aren't supported under Yosemite[1] so we have
to resort to the command line for this:

Under an admin account:

sudo dscl . append /Groups/_developer GroupMembership fred

(where 'fred' is the username)

you will need to log out and then log in again in your non-admin account
and then Xcode won't pester you with this message again.

[1] Workgroup Manager as described here:

<http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201651#_jmp0_>

Workgroup Manager was downloadable for previous versions of OS X even if
you didn't have OS X Server and allowed you to do useful things like
modify the GID/UID of individual accounts (handy for keeping these in
sync with other OS X or even Linux/Unix systems).

[Martin S Taylor]

Martin S Taylor <ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk> wrote:

> I have a template for a DVD which references a file which I've deleted.
> So when I load the template, it points this out to me. So I delete all
> references to the file, make no other changes, and save the template.

I fixed it! Deleted all references to the file, reinstalled the Theme,
redid all the transitions and music, and then saved it. It now works
without complaining!

Woo-hoo!

MST

[Sara Merriman]

In article
<1lw5166.19rvp7f1egjxsdN%ampe...@RhEyMpOnVoEtTiHsImS.co.uk>, Martin S

***YAY***

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[cn.z...@gmail.com]

Personally, I make note of whatever app made the call, and force quit the app. Typing my password into an unprompted pop-up is a habit I've disabused myself of - because you never know when it could be something malicious posing as 'atos.' I'm surprised Apple even does this.