attn zoara - Helvetica ironies continue
Pd
A tattoo of "I <3 Helvetica". Written in a font that isn't Helvetica,
probably Arial. The top of the t in Helvetica doesn't have a slope on
it, and the a has a much longer tail.
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Pd
Elliott Roper
<peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
Nah, definitely not Arial, its t has a massive top slope. I reckon it
is near as dammit Helvetica Neue LT Std 75 bold. Look at the H and the
i and l, I think it is a trick of the photo to give 'em the same slope
on the top as the t has. That Helvetica variant has a shorter tail on
the a than Arial bold has.
They also went to the trouble to gently superscript the ">" perhaps
leading [1] to an immortal Rowland utterance:-
"LaTeX my arse!"
1. Oh No!! It was an aA-ccident, honest!
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Pd
> In article <1j9n29v.5yq9kj11fex6rN%peter...@gmail.invalid>, Pd
> <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <http://is.gd/51Rxi>
> >
> > A tattoo of "I <3 Helvetica". Written in a font that isn't Helvetica,
> > probably Arial. The top of the t in Helvetica doesn't have a slope on
> > it, and the a has a much longer tail.
>
> Nah, definitely not Arial, its t has a massive top slope. I reckon it
> is near as dammit Helvetica Neue LT Std 75 bold. Look at the H and the
> i and l, I think it is a trick of the photo to give 'em the same slope
> on the top as the t has. That Helvetica variant has a shorter tail on
> the a than Arial bold has.
Yes, I'd forgotten that Helvetica bold has less tail on the a, and I
agree that the top slopes are more Helvetica than Arial, and probably
more to do with skin stretch and photo distortion than actual slope.
Besides, the jaws on the c are parallel, whereas Arial's are angled.
Serves me right for mocking.
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Pd
Peter Ceresole
> Yes, I'd forgotten that Helvetica bold has less tail on the a, and I
> agree that the top slopes are more Helvetica than Arial
Well as tramp stamps go, Helvetica makes it a good one. Rather handsome.
Or maybe not; tramps stamps are meant to be terminally vulgar. That's
the whole point. There's no point in having one that says 'actually I'm
a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo on
my arse'.
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Peter
Pd
I think it would be quite funny to have one that actually says
"I'm a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo
on my arse."
Or how about some irony - "Ceci n'est pas un tatouage"?
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Pd
Peter Ceresole
> I think it would be quite funny to have one that actually says
> "I'm a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo
> on my arse."
>
> Or how about some irony - "Ceci n'est pas un tatouage"?
But irony is *so* bourgeois.
However, as the bourgoisie *are* the victors of history, it would amount
to boasting.
So many choices...
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Peter
Chris Ridd
> I think it would be quite funny to have one that actually says
> "I'm a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo
> on my arse."
That would require an enormous arse.
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Peter Ceresole
> > I think it would be quite funny to have one that actually says
> > "I'm a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo
> > on my arse."
>
> That would require an enormous arse.
Or a very neat Helvetica.
I'd say; bring it on!
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Peter
Justin C
> Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I'd forgotten that Helvetica bold has less tail on the a, and I
>> agree that the top slopes are more Helvetica than Arial
>
> Well as tramp stamps go, Helvetica makes it a good one. Rather handsome.
AIUI tramp stamps are on the female of the species, whereas, judging by
the waist-band of the underwear (only just visible), and the lack of
hips, this tat is on a male. Whichever gender, they'll look a complete
idiot on the beach in ten years time.
Justin.
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zoara
It was just a t-shirt, damn it. If I'd been getting a tattoo I'd have
double-checked the font before paying.
(and yeah, deffo not Arial, that one)
-zoara-
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zoara
> In article <1j9n29v.5yq9kj11fex6rN%peter...@gmail.invalid>, Pd
> <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <http://is.gd/51Rxi>
> >
> > A tattoo of "I <3 Helvetica". Written in a font that isn't
> > Helvetica,
> > probably Arial. The top of the t in Helvetica doesn't have a slope
> > on
> > it, and the a has a much longer tail.
>
> Nah, definitely not Arial, its t has a massive top slope. I reckon it
> is near as dammit Helvetica Neue LT Std 75 bold. Look at the H and the
> i and l, I think it is a trick of the photo to give 'em the same slope
> on the top as the t has. That Helvetica variant has a shorter tail on
> the a than Arial bold has.
I love this group.
> They also went to the trouble to gently superscript the ">" perhaps
> leading [1] to an immortal Rowland utterance:-
> "LaTeX my arse!"
Genius.
> 1. Oh No!! It was an aA-ccident, honest!
Aa-ctually, they were the other way around.
I'm gonna get a real Helvetica t-shirt made up, as the (mild) font geek
in me loves the design but hides in shame because it's a cheap knock-off
Aa-rial rather than the real deal. I'm still not sure how the shop can
call the range Helvetica when it isn't, though.
Rowland McDonnell
> Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <http://is.gd/51Rxi>
aka:
<http://ugliesttattoos.com/2009/11/23/funny-tattoos-show-me-your-wingdin
gs-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-8932>
Can anyone translate the caption into English?
"It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font with a
longer name (personally, I've always been a fan of Century Gothic),
because even Helvetica here is on the verge of a bad break. "
What might "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font
with a longer name" mean?
> > A tattoo of "I <3 Helvetica". Written in a font that isn't Helvetica,
> > probably Arial. The top of the t in Helvetica doesn't have a slope on
> > it, and the a has a much longer tail.
>
> Nah, definitely not Arial, its t has a massive top slope. I reckon it
> is near as dammit Helvetica Neue LT Std 75 bold. Look at the H and the
> i and l, I think it is a trick of the photo to give 'em the same slope
> on the top as the t has. That Helvetica variant has a shorter tail on
> the a than Arial bold has.
One comment on the page linked to states:
"After much poring over font samples, I'm forced to conclude that in
fact this is Helvetica. The short tail on the `a' is a feature of the
bold style, and the slope on the `t' is either a skin stretching or
photographic artifact.
Mea culpa."
> They also went to the trouble to gently superscript the ">" perhaps
> leading [1] to an immortal Rowland utterance:-
> "LaTeX my arse!"
Rubber fetishists of the world, please try to unstick yourselves.
But - erm, what? I do not recall any of this.
> 1. Oh No!! It was an aA-ccident, honest!
Some of us have actually put leading in by hand, when typesetting using
lumps of metal.
Rowland.
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> Elliott Roper <nos...@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > <http://is.gd/51Rxi>
>
> aka:
>
> <http://ugliesttattoos.com/2009/11/23/funny-tattoos-show-me-your-wingdin
> gs-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-8932>
[snip]
> One comment on the page linked to states:
>
> "After much poring over font samples, I'm forced to conclude that in
> fact this is Helvetica. The short tail on the `a' is a feature of the
> bold style, and the slope on the `t' is either a skin stretching or
> photographic artifact.
>
> Mea culpa."
And /another/ comment on that Web page states:
[snip]
"Helvetica is a reference to Switzerland. (CH) is the abbreviation for
Confoederatio Helvetica. Jeez, people- the font was named after the
country, not the other way around. By the way, did you know that
President John F. Kennedy was named after a NASA space facility? Who
knew?"
Ohboy. There are some big brains out there these days, aren't there?
And another:
"I would have sex with this person. I don't care who, what, or where
s/he is. On the table, over the chair, whatever. NOW."
Dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. It's not like
Helvetica[1] has any charisma, style, or class, is it?
Rowland.
[1] Or the fount.
Pd
Pd
> Can anyone translate the caption into English?
>
> "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font with a
> longer name (personally, I've always been a fan of Century Gothic),
> because even Helvetica here is on the verge of a bad break. "
>
> What might "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font
> with a longer name" mean?
"Less than three" is a heart on its side => I {heart} Helvetica = I love
Helvetica.
--
Pd
Rowland McDonnell
> Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I'd forgotten that Helvetica bold has less tail on the a, and I
> > agree that the top slopes are more Helvetica than Arial
>
> Well as tramp stamps go, Helvetica makes it a good one. Rather handsome.
Helvetica is a fount of startling lack of charisma or style and is to my
mind therefore very ugly and suitable only for bland signs and bland
corporate logos or anything else where a lack of personality or indeed
any sign of humanity is a positive advantage.
Or, to put it another way, Helvetica is aesthetically unpleasing in any
context where there's supposed to be some connection with living
breathing eating fucking farting pissing wonderfully /alive/ humanity.
Helvetica is a symbol of that which I fear - a degradation of the world
order into bland corporate-fascist conformity run by souless
technocrats. The witless are scared that `scientists' will provide that
world - no chance. It's the businessfolk and politicians who want that
world, not scientists, who are mostly far too keen on humanity to want
to do anything like that.
> Or maybe not; tramps stamps are meant to be terminally vulgar. That's
> the whole point. There's no point in having one that says 'actually I'm
> a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo on
> my arse'.
There is one good tattoo in existence. There's a chap who got a
personal licence to handle the sorts of nuclear material where the idea
was no-one would ever get a *personal* licence as such. He's had his
licence number tattooed on the back of his neck which, given that he's
an artist and has done all this for artistic reasons, is just the
ticket.
Rowland.
Rowland McDonnell
[snip]
> AIUI tramp stamps are on the female of the species, whereas, judging by
> the waist-band of the underwear (only just visible), and the lack of
> hips, this tat is on a male. Whichever gender, they'll look a complete
> idiot on the beach in ten years time.
They'd look a complete idiot on the beach ten minutes from now.
Rowland McDonnell
> Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I think it would be quite funny to have one that actually says
> > "I'm a person of great taste and discernment, even if I do have a tattoo
> > on my arse."
> >
> > Or how about some irony - "Ceci n'est pas un tatouage"?
>
> But irony is *so* bourgeois.
Tell that to Mark Steel.
> However, as the bourgoisie *are* the victors of history,
Really? Doesn't look like it here. I'm bourgeois; so's my family.
Ditto George Orwell. Do we look like winners?
[snip]
zoara
> In article <1j9n7qn.1gbem5i6junliN%pe...@cara.demon.co.uk>, Peter
> Ceresole wrote:
> > Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I'd forgotten that Helvetica bold has less tail on the a, and
> > > I
> >> agree that the top slopes are more Helvetica than Arial
> >
> > Well as tramp stamps go, Helvetica makes it a good one. Rather
> > handsome.
>
> AIUI tramp stamps are on the female of the species, whereas, judging
> by
> the waist-band of the underwear (only just visible), and the lack of
> hips, this tat is on a male.
Tramp stamps aren't gender-specific, though they're heavily
gender-preferential. Isn't the idea that they're something to aim for
(or at least look at) while doing it doggy style? That would restrict
the type of person that tends to get them quite a bit.
> Whichever gender, they'll look a complete
> idiot on the beach in ten years time.
The last four words are redundant. Actually, the last seven are.
zoara
>
> > Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > <http://is.gd/51Rxi>
>
> aka:
>
> <http://ugliesttattoos.com/2009/11/23/funny-tattoos-show-me-your-wingdin
> gs-baby/comment-page-1/#comment-8932>
>
> Can anyone translate the caption into English?
>
> "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font with a
> longer name (personally, I've always been a fan of Century Gothic),
> because even Helvetica here is on the verge of a bad break. "
>
> What might "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a
> font
> with a longer name" mean?
"less than three" == "<3" (as in the pic) == ASCII art for "heart".
Like "I <3 NY", for example.
Elliott Roper
<1j9om0a.170hryuo7xfudN%real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid>,
Rowland McDonnell <real-addr...@flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> Elliott Roper <nos...@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> Can anyone translate the caption into English?
>
> "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font with a
> longer name (personally, I've always been a fan of Century Gothic),
> because even Helvetica here is on the verge of a bad break. "
>
> What might "It's a good thing this person doesn't less than three a font
> with a longer name" mean?
<snip>
> > They also went to the trouble to gently superscript the ">" perhaps
> > leading [1] to an immortal Rowland utterance:-
> > "LaTeX my arse!"
>
> Rubber fetishists of the world, please try to unstick yourselves.
>
> But - erm, what? I do not recall any of this.
Ah Rowland! Since it was me that made the uncharitable reference to you,
allow me to apologise and explain.
It was not so much a remark you made but more like an appreciation of
the kind of remark, had you made it, that would have delighted me and a
few others who regard you with sometimes exasperated affection.
You were/are one of main reasons why I have continued to learn LaTeX,
and since the whole exchange of posts was a silly piece of
typographic playing about, I could not resist that tiny left-handed
compliment.
the "<3" is nothing more than a smiley heart. The heart is meant to be
'love', first made famous with a " I 'love' NY" poster used to promote
a large city in the USA. The caption alludes to the ugly mess the
tattoo and surrounding skin would become were the font name a longer
word than "Helvetica"
Rowland McDonnell
The wrotation's the wrong way wround. Now I see it.
> Like "I <3 NY", for example.
Ah! I see - yes, okay, that's what that part of the caption means.
Yes. Oh dear. Argh.
Oh god why am I even thinking about this?
I blame Deep Purple. Listen, learn, read on.
Rowland McDonnell
[snip]
> Ah Rowland! Since it was me that made the uncharitable reference to you,
> allow me to apologise and explain.
No apology necessary, sir. I was merely baffled by a reference to
something I remember not. There are a lot of things I don't remember.
> It was not so much a remark you made but more like an appreciation of
> the kind of remark, had you made it, that would have delighted me and a
> few others who regard you with sometimes exasperated affection.
<smile> No comment.
> You were/are one of main reasons why I have continued to learn LaTeX,
> and since the whole exchange of posts was a silly piece of
> typographic playing about, I could not resist that tiny left-handed
> compliment.
Okay.
> the "<3" is nothing more than a smiley heart.
I assumed it was meant as some sort of emoticon, but not one that I
recall.
> The heart is meant to be
> 'love', first made famous with a " I 'love' NY" poster used to promote
> a large city in the USA. The caption alludes to the ugly mess the
> tattoo and surrounding skin would become were the font name a longer
> word than "Helvetica"
Umm. Yeah, I got that. But I still can't work out what the words in
the caption actually *mean* as such. It's semi-coherent gibbering as
far as I can tell.
Rowland McDonnell
[snip]
> Tramp stamps aren't gender-specific, though they're heavily
> gender-preferential. Isn't the idea that they're something to aim for
> (or at least look at) while doing it doggy style?
Only if the chick's got no decent lurve handles to grab.
[snip]
Rowland.
(who thinks he's just gone a step too far)
Peter Ceresole
> "Less than three" is a heart on its side
Doesn't work, does it?
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Woody
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> Pd <peter...@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Less than three" is a heart on its side
>
> Doesn't work, does it?
Of course it doesn't work - it is just a drawing
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Chris Ridd
I always saw it as a woman wearing a pointy hat, which was all rather baffling.
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Peter Ceresole
> >> "Less than three" is a heart on its side
> >
> > Doesn't work, does it?
>
> I always saw it as a woman wearing a pointy hat, which was all rather
> baffling.
No; that's exactly what it *shows*, but I could never understand what it
*meant*. Of course, given the context, it was totally unimportant so I
never felt any great impulsion to work it out.
--
Peter
Rowland McDonnell
Because the rotation is pi out from conventional for an emoticon.