URGENT: Can't boot into Mac on Bootcamp
Saoir
don't have to leave my iMac into a shop for Xmas ...
iMac - Snow Leopard - completely up to date. Bootcamp with WindowsXP
since January 2009. I haven't had a days trouble before or after Snow
Leopard.
Got up this morning and booted up. It auto boots into Mac. But I
noticed that though it mostly looked ok, there were no menubar icons
on the right side except growl. Files opened up ok but I could not
connect to the internet. I rebooted same happened, except I noticed a
progress bar under the apple icon on startup which I don't remember
before. I rebooted again and got permanent blue screen. Again and back
into Mac with no menubar on top right except growl.
I booted into Windows - though I noticed here that the MacHD disc icon
was now labelled EFI disc..... in windows I could not connect to the
iternet either but had the idea to try turning off ethernet and going
to wireless. It worked. Full internet connection. I tried the same
with the Mac, but Airport kept on telling me that it assigned it's own
IP and could not connect to the net.
I looked up EFI back on WindowsXP, and got worried... and noticed
somewhere someone said my MacOS might have forgotten it's start up
disc,,, so I rebooted to see if I could fix it.
Rebooted ... but cannot get into the MacOS now.. :-( tried five
times... the Screen Apple Logo plus rotating white circle thingy.
I have the Snowleopard Install disc but it won't boot up from this.
Would anyone have any ideas ? It appears that not only is there a
problem with the MacOS software but also with the ethernet software ?
Thanks ... hoping :-)
Howard
Chris Ridd
If it won't boot from he SL install disc it is nothing to do with the
installed Mac OS, or Windows, or any networking software. You've
probably got hardware problems.
Does the hardware test come up and run successfully?
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1509>
--
Chris
Saoir
But windowsXP works 100% fine....
H
T i m
wrote:
>
>But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>
You know you said that out loud ... ?
I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
T i m
Intel Mini. XP. 100% fine.
Saoir
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:36:18 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>
> You know you said that out loud ... ?
>
> I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
>
I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
I imagined that if it works ok then the heardware must be ok.... also
I just discovered that I have to hold the C key down when trying to
boot from the Snow Leopard installation disc .. which might explain,
if it is true, why I could not boot from the disc previously.
Simon Puddingham
> But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>
> H
Oh, oh! Wrong answer. You've just been banned. Everyone knows Windoze crap,
Mac perfect.
T i m
wrote:
>On Dec 13, 6:13�pm, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:36:18 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>>
>> You know you said that out loud ... ?
>>
>> I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
>>
>
>I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
>allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
Is the right answer! <well recovered>. ;-)
>
>I imagined that if it works ok then the heardware must be ok.... also
>I just discovered that I have to hold the C key down when trying to
>boot from the Snow Leopard installation disc .. which might explain,
>if it is true, why I could not boot from the disc previously.
Or the Alt key is it (well it is on this Mac). That gives you a list
of bootable devices on there?
Cheers, T i m
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>On Dec 13, 6:13�pm, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:36:18 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>>
>> You know you said that out loud ... ?
>>
>> I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
>>
>
>I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
>allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
WoW runs on OSX as well, IIRC the install CD has both versions on.
>I imagined that if it works ok then the heardware must be ok.... also
>I just discovered that I have to hold the C key down when trying to
>boot from the Snow Leopard installation disc .. which might explain,
>if it is true, why I could not boot from the disc previously.
Rather! Holding "Alt" is more useful, as it'll give you a menu of all
bootable disks in the system including opticals.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
207 BC: Chrysippus, Greek stoic philosopher, is believed to have died of
laughter after watching his drunken donkey attempt to eat figs.
Saoir
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:23:22 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 13, 6:13 pm, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:36:18 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>
> >> You know you said that out loud ... ?
>
> >> I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
>
> >I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
> >allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
>
> WoW runs on OSX as well, IIRC the install CD has both versions on.
The advantage of keeping him on the Windows section is to keep him
away from my Mac stuff :)
>
> >I imagined that if it works ok then the heardware must be ok.... also
> >I just discovered that I have to hold the C key down when trying to
> >boot from the Snow Leopard installation disc .. which might explain,
> >if it is true, why I could not boot from the disc previously.
>
> Rather! Holding "Alt" is more useful, as it'll give you a menu of all
> bootable disks in the system including opticals.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie
> --
> 207 BC: Chrysippus, Greek stoic philosopher, is believed to have died of
> laughter after watching his drunken donkey attempt to eat figs.
Thanks guys..... any ideas on the OS problem ?
H
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>On Dec 13, 7:30�pm, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:23:22 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Dec 13, 6:13�pm, T i m <n...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:36:18 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >But windowsXP works 100% fine....
>>
>> >> You know you said that out loud ... ?
>>
>> >> I mentioned it once and think I got away with it. ;-)
>>
>> >I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
>> >allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
>>
>> WoW runs on OSX as well, IIRC the install CD has both versions on.
>
>The advantage of keeping him on the Windows section is to keep him
>away from my Mac stuff :)
Perfectly fair! Bit drastic though, giving him a non-Admin user
account and putting WoW into his home/Applications folder would do the
job nicely.
>> Rather! Holding "Alt" is more useful, as it'll give you a menu of all
>> bootable disks in the system including opticals.
>
>Thanks guys..... any ideas on the OS problem ?
Not yet. Did you get the OSX DVD booted? Does the Alt menu show you
the OSX partition?
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
-- Charles Darwin
HowardB
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:35:20 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
Ok... I seemed to have been too premature about booting with the
Install disk of Snow Leopard. I think I just hadn't waited long enough
for it to boot....
So it did boot and I went to disk utility and surveyed the disk with
MacOS on it.. it came up with errors:
Missing Thread Record (xxxxxx)
Invalid Sibling Link
I tried to repair it but it came back and said it cannot be
repaired... with comments about reinstall and backup and all data
would be lost. Shit...
So...is there any way to reinstall the system ? or do I HAVE to get it
to a repair place to do the whole machine again ? As I say Windows
works fine...
Howard
Jaimie Vandenbergh
<howards...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So...is there any way to reinstall the system ? or do I HAVE to get it
>to a repair place to do the whole machine again ? As I say Windows
>works fine...
Since the DVD and Windows boot okay, it's almost certainly just a
munged OSX filesystem. This is pretty rare, so be aware you *might* be
taking the machine in for a hard drive replacement in the near
future...
Assuming no-one pops up with a mechanism to repair the partition (I'm
sure Disk Warrior will be mentioned!):
Reinstallation is easy. Just go ahead with the installer off the DVD.
I'm not sure how the installer handled your BootCamp partition, but if
you run Disk Utility off the Tools (? maybe Applications?) menu on the
DVD and reformat the OSX partition (you want HFS+ journalled,
non-case-sensitive) then choose to install to it, you should be okay.
Hopefully you've got OSX partition backed up...? If it's on a cloned
disk or a Time Machine backup, at the end of the installation you can
select the appropriate "Import my stuff from" option.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
haiku are easy
but they don't always make sense
refrigerator
Saoir
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:35:38 -0800 (PST), HowardB
>
> >So...is there any way to reinstall the system ? or do I HAVE to get it
> >to a repair place to do the whole machine again ? As I say Windows
> >works fine...
>
> Since the DVD and Windows boot okay, it's almost certainly just a
> munged OSX filesystem. This is pretty rare, so be aware you *might* be
> taking the machine in for a hard drive replacement in the near
> future...
>
> Assuming no-one pops up with a mechanism to repair the partition (I'm
> sure Disk Warrior will be mentioned!):
>
> Reinstallation is easy. Just go ahead with the installer off the DVD.
> I'm not sure how the installer handled your BootCamp partition, but if
> you run Disk Utility off the Tools (? maybe Applications?) menu on the
> DVD and reformat the OSX partition (you want HFS+ journalled,
> non-case-sensitive) then choose to install to it, you should be okay.
>
> Hopefully you've got OSX partition backed up...? If it's on a cloned
> disk or a Time Machine backup, at the end of the installation you can
> select the appropriate "Import my stuff from" option.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie
Thanks Jamie. Thats is an idea.... I only had a new HD installed last
January 2009 after the Mac one failed.... (so either way I will do a
complete back up and look at a replacement, maybe a bigger one.)
Is there no way to reinstall the system without losing my files ?
I do have a Time machine backed up to last Wednesday or Thursday so
it's not files I hate losing but installed programs/preferences/etc
etc.. :((
H
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>Is there no way to reinstall the system without losing my files ?
If you fix the filesystem, then they're probably all still there. If
you can't fix it, the only thing to do is reformat and reinstall
(while being careful not to blitz the Windows partition too).
>I do have a Time machine backed up to last Wednesday or Thursday so
>it's not files I hate losing but installed programs/preferences/etc
>etc.. :((
They're all kept in the TM backup. This ain't Windows, son - TM will
backup the whole system, and you can restore it too. Good, innit?
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Okay, it works now. Or at least it malfunctions in all the expected ways.
-- Mark Edwards, asr
Saoir
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:14:06 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Is there no way to reinstall the system without losing my files ?
>
> If you fix the filesystem, then they're probably all still there. If
> you can't fix it, the only thing to do is reformat and reinstall
> (while being careful not to blitz the Windows partition too).
>
> >I do have a Time machine backed up to last Wednesday or Thursday so
> >it's not files I hate losing but installed programs/preferences/etc
> >etc.. :((
>
> They're all kept in the TM backup. This ain't Windows, son - TM will
> backup the whole system, and you can restore it too. Good, innit?
My time machine backup settings does not include the system section...
only the main contents folders..
So I guess I will have work to do..
Sorry Jaimie but what do you mean by "If you fix the filesystem, then
they're probably all still there"... ? Do I have a choice to install
without formatting ?
Sorry for so many questions...
H
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>On Dec 13, 9:19�pm, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:14:06 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Is there no way to reinstall the system without losing my files ?
>>
>> If you fix the filesystem, then they're probably all still there. If
>> you can't fix it, the only thing to do is reformat and reinstall
>> (while being careful not to blitz the Windows partition too).
>>
>> >I do have a Time machine backed up to last Wednesday or Thursday so
>> >it's not files I hate losing but installed programs/preferences/etc
>> >etc.. :((
>>
>> They're all kept in the TM backup. This ain't Windows, son - TM will
>> backup the whole system, and you can restore it too. Good, innit?
>
>My time machine backup settings does not include the system section...
>only the main contents folders..
>So I guess I will have work to do..
Oh. Well, you probably ought to enable that in future, to make
restoring so much easier.
However! If you have all your user folder (the main one,
/Users/yournamehere) backed up, that does contain all your settings.
You will have to reinstall all your software if it's not in the TM
backup of course.
>Sorry Jaimie but what do you mean by "If you fix the filesystem, then
>they're probably all still there"... ? Do I have a choice to install
>without formatting ?
If you can fix the filesystem, then there's nothing to do - you're
back at a working OSX computer. That's all.
As I mentioned before I'm not familiar with rescue tools, but I know
that Disk Warrior always gets mentioned here when someone is in the
same situation. Eep! It's $100, which might or might not be worthwhile
to you.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Machines take me by surprise with great frequency." - Alan Turing
Saoir
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:23:16 -0800 (PST), Saoir <saoirm...@gmail.com>
Tks. I cannot repair the filesystem because I cannot boot into the
MacOS on my PC. So it's the reformat route I guess.
Thanks again.
H
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>Tks. I cannot repair the filesystem because I cannot boot into the
>MacOS on my PC. So it's the reformat route I guess.
Do you have another Mac? You can link them by firewire and repair
remotely.
The OSX install DVD is a full live CD with Disk Utility and Terminal
that you can try things from.
The aforementioned Disk Warrior is a bootable CD as well.
Otherwise, reformat and reinstall and recover as much as you have from
TM.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores
the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams
Saoir
wrote:
> Do you have another Mac? You can link them by firewire and repair
> remotely.
>
> The OSX install DVD is a full live CD with Disk Utility and Terminal
> that you can try things from.
It only offered Disk Utility Repair and as I mentioned in my first
post it said it could not repair the disc.
I will have a crack at the reinstall reformat and suck it up :-(
H
David Empson
DiskWarrior is defintiely an option worth considering, if you can afford
it. It can repair a lot of file system problems for which Disk Utility
simply gives up.
Disk Utility's "Repair Disk" tries to fix problems in the existing
directory structure. For some types of corruption that is simply too
hard.
DiskWarrior works by building a new directory from scratch, referencing
the old (damaged) one to extract as much information as possible about
the files. It can also search the disk for lost files if part of the
directory is significantly damaged, but there are other tools which do a
better job (e.g. Data Rescue) if the drive is that badly hosed.
The main thing I like about DiskWarrior is its ability to preview the
repaired file system without committing it to disk, so you can check
that everything important seems to be there.
It will take a fair amount of time to do the repair, and depending on
the degree of damage you may find the repaired file system still can't
boot (e.g. because some critical system files are damaged or missing).
If you have a full backup of all of your important files (and you MUST
confirm that first), then it may be faster to erase the partition,
reinstall the system and applications, and restore your data from
backup.
If it was me, I would try DiskWarrior first, especially if I wasn't
confident that the backup was complete.
--
David Empson
dem...@actrix.gen.nz
Saoir
Jaimie !
ok ... so I am back in business !! amazing ? DEFinitely...
I gave up after Jaimie's last post and resigned myself to a clean
slate. So I booted from the Snow Leopard instal disk and went install.
But I saw an option to restore... and I wondered.... mmm... and I saw
that the last FULL backup was July 26th 2009, though backups of lots
of other stuff was done to 9th December 2009. Mmmm that's not so bad I
thought... lets give it a try.
So I restored to 26th July. Success. Now I am reinstating my other
stuff back to 9th December one step at a time and it is going fine. I
know I installed Snow Leopard in October or so... but I figure I can
get everything sorted first ... then do a full backup with Time
Machine... and then in a week I can install Snow Leopard again and
bingo I am back to where I was yesterday :-) FINGERS CROSSES !!
Now I have a couple of other resinstating Q's so I will start a new
thread on these.
Thanks again !!
Howard
Mark Beastly
>>I never actually use WindowsXP on the iMac myself ..... It is there to
>>allow my son to play World of Warcraft :-)
>
> Is the right answer! <well recovered>. ;-)
He's fast on his feet! He could teach Muhammad Ali a few tricks in his day.
--
"Have you any idea how much offence people give to me? And do I whine on
about `being offended'? No I don't. Now stop whining yourself."
Rowland McDonnell - Dispensing Tough Love - March 14, 2008
Howard
Also... How can I restore the dock to how it was ? where does MacOS
keep it's file oon the Docks contents ?
Tks.
Howard
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
Glad to hear it's working out! I'm surprised it would restore stuff
onto the dodgy partition, or did it reformat it first do you know?
The Dock settings are in the two files matching
(yourhomefolder)/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.*
but the latest (Snow Leopard) versions from your TM archive might not
work with Leopard.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
I love children, especially when they cry, for then someone takes them away.
-- Nancy Mitford
Howard
No. No request to format and after a couple of hours all is still fine,
though I haven't tried to reboot for a while... (ooops fingers crossed)
>
> The Dock settings are in the two files matching
> (yourhomefolder)/Library/Preferences/com.apple.dock.*
> but the latest (Snow Leopard) versions from your TM archive might not
> work with Leopard.
I agree. I will keep thatnoted for after I reinstall Snow Leopard. I am
now struggling with resinstating Mail. I have two Gmail servers and a
BIG amount of mail to reinstate.
So far so good....
Howard
Bosco836
I had the EXACT same problem with my Macbook Pro a few weeks ago.
Apple replaced the hard drive and all was well again.....
Best,
- Adam
> Thanks ... hoping :-)
>
> Howard
Howard
> Hi Howard,
>
> I had the EXACT same problem with my Macbook Pro a few weeks ago.
> Apple replaced the hard drive and all was well again.....
>
> Best,
Wow... glad it was fixed. I am back in business now after restoring to a
July system back up and a 9th December data backup. But I am going to
check my hard drive regularly in case it is flawed.
Best of luck.
H