Best browser for 10.3.9?
Philip Herlihy
clueless about macs). He has Panther 10.3.9, Internet Explorer 5 (which
just about works) and a broken Safari which crashes since the upgrade to
10.3.9.
Now that we've successfully installed VNC I can work on the machine
remotely, and intend to update Java in the hope of fixing Safari. Is
there a suitable upgrade of Safari which can be downloaded for this
version of MacOs?
Search on the web suggests also trying Camino and Firefox 2.0.0.12.
Advice much appreciated.
Phil, London
Chris Ridd
> One of my customers has asked me for help with his mac (I'm pretty
> clueless about macs). He has Panther 10.3.9, Internet Explorer 5
> (which just about works) and a broken Safari which crashes since the
> upgrade to 10.3.9.
>
> Now that we've successfully installed VNC I can work on the machine
> remotely, and intend to update Java in the hope of fixing Safari. Is
> there a suitable upgrade of Safari which can be downloaded for this
> version of MacOs?
Safari 4 requires 10.4.11 or 10.5.7 or 10.6, so you're out of luck
getting that.
Installing the 10.3.9 "combo" OS update from Apple via
<http://support.apple.com/downloads/Mac_OS_X_Combined_Update_10_3_9>
may help.
> Search on the web suggests also trying Camino and Firefox 2.0.0.12.
Camino still supports 10.3.9. Strongly suggest to your customer that IE
5 should *not* be used!
<http://web.archive.org/web/20080106181017/http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/internetexplorer/internetexplorer.aspx?pid=internetexplorer>
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Chris
Philip Herlihy
Thanks Chris!
IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
moment it's the only working browser! I'm pretty sure the combined
upgrade to 10.3.9 was the one applied. Is it possible to download a
compatible version of Safari if the java fix doesn't do the trick?
Phil
Chris Ridd
> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
> moment it's the only working browser! I'm pretty sure the combined
> upgrade to 10.3.9 was the one applied. Is it possible to download a
> compatible version of Safari if the java fix doesn't do the trick?
Camino's OK BTW.
Safari 3 came with the OS, there's no other way to get it if memory
serves. Does Safari crash straight away, or just on certain pages? You
can also look at the crash logs using Console.app.
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Chris
Peter Ceresole
> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
> moment it's the only working browser!
Get Firefox. It works well with 10.3.9; <www.mozilla.com> will tell you
which version to get.
It's excellent- enormously better than IE5 which, as you say, is a dog.
At the time, I reckoned it was also better than Safari.
Nowadays there's not much to choose between the latest versions of
Safari and Firefox on the latest OSs.
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Peter
Philip Herlihy
Safari crashes every time. I tracked down an article which blames the
java component - I haven't had a chance to try the fix yet. I'd assumed
that there might be a separately downloadable Safari installer for a
later version, but I guess that isn't the case. I'll have a look at
console.app - presumably I run it from Terminal?
Phil
Philip Herlihy
> Chris Ridd <chri...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-10-16 10:45:31 +0100, Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> said:
>>
>>> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
>>> moment it's the only working browser! I'm pretty sure the combined
>>> upgrade to 10.3.9 was the one applied. Is it possible to download a
>>> compatible version of Safari if the java fix doesn't do the trick?
>> Camino's OK BTW.
>
>
> <http://www.icab.de/>
>
> $20 shareware, but I think you only get an occasional reminder dialog if
> you use it unlicenced.
>
Thanks, Tim - I'll look into this.
Phil
Philip Herlihy
I was surprised that the Firefox site didn't offer a version which would
run on 10.3.9. Only two versions are offered, and both need at least
10.4. It's an elderly machine, and my instincts are against upgrading
the OS as a later version is likely to consume more resources. I found
I could get 2.0.0.12 from http://mac.oldapps.com.
On Windows, I've found Firefox very slow to start up - three times the
time it takes IE8 to get going. Chrome is much quicker too.
Phil
Jon B
> Peter Ceresole wrote:
> > Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
> >
> >> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
> >> moment it's the only working browser!
> >
> > Get Firefox. It works well with 10.3.9; <www.mozilla.com> will tell you
> > which version to get.
> >
> > It's excellent- enormously better than IE5 which, as you say, is a dog.
> > At the time, I reckoned it was also better than Safari.
> >
> > Nowadays there's not much to choose between the latest versions of
> > Safari and Firefox on the latest OSs.
>
> I was surprised that the Firefox site didn't offer a version which would
> run on 10.3.9. Only two versions are offered, and both need at least
> 10.4. It's an elderly machine, and my instincts are against upgrading
> the OS as a later version is likely to consume more resources. I found
> I could get 2.0.0.12 from http://mac.oldapps.com.
>
Not sure what the old machine is, but I've got 10.4 running happily on
my ye olde G3 600 iMac which is almost as old as it gets for 10.4
supported machine, and the later version of Safari that is then
available runs very nicely too.
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Peter Ceresole
> I found
> I could get 2.0.0.12 from http://mac.oldapps.com.
>
> On Windows, I've found Firefox very slow to start up - three times the
> time it takes IE8 to get going. Chrome is much quicker too.
That one works well- It's the one I use on my old Titanium iBook running
10.3.9.
I don't know how long it takes to fire up- I always just have it on with
the browser window closed, so it takes at the most half a second to be
there... And it doesn't use any measurable resources when I'm not using
it.
As for later OSs; yes, 10.3 is fairly light on its feet but if you can
find him a copy of 10.4 and upgrade it to 10.4.11, I think it should
run, and it's truly excellent.
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Peter
Philip Herlihy
> Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
>
>> Peter Ceresole wrote:
>>> Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
>>>> moment it's the only working browser!
>>> Get Firefox. It works well with 10.3.9; <www.mozilla.com> will tell you
>>> which version to get.
>>>
>>> It's excellent- enormously better than IE5 which, as you say, is a dog.
>>> At the time, I reckoned it was also better than Safari.
>>>
>>> Nowadays there's not much to choose between the latest versions of
>>> Safari and Firefox on the latest OSs.
>> I was surprised that the Firefox site didn't offer a version which would
>> run on 10.3.9. Only two versions are offered, and both need at least
>> 10.4. It's an elderly machine, and my instincts are against upgrading
>> the OS as a later version is likely to consume more resources. I found
>> I could get 2.0.0.12 from http://mac.oldapps.com.
>>
>
> Not sure what the old machine is, but I've got 10.4 running happily on
> my ye olde G3 600 iMac which is almost as old as it gets for 10.4
> supported machine, and the later version of Safari that is then
> available runs very nicely too.
That's worth knowing - thanks! The spec is:
Mac iBook PowerPC G3 (2002)
powerpc 750 processor
mac os 10.3.9 "Panther"
500 MHz
384 MB memory
Instinct is still not to upgrade unless there's a compelling reason -
I've seen too many W98 and Win2K machines "upgraded" to XP and gasping
for breath as a result! If it ain't broke (or can be fixed)...
Phil
Martin-S
Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
> Search on the web suggests also trying Camino and Firefox 2.0.0.12.
Opera 10, no competition.
It has evolved into a fantastic, speedy browser and you're not stuck
with a previous version like with FF or Safari.
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Martin
Jon B
A switch of ram would be useful, bunging 512MB PC100-133 144pin SODIMM
in the top would help (the 128 is soldered on board). Would need to
check for a DVD or DVD/CD-r combo drive as 10.4 was only available on CD
by special order (most you'll find will be on DVD). A machine of that
vintage did come with a CD drive as standard with DVD or Combo drive on
the higher spec models.
> Instinct is still not to upgrade unless there's a compelling reason -
> I've seen too many W98 and Win2K machines "upgraded" to XP and gasping
> for breath as a result! If it ain't broke (or can be fixed)...
>
Yeah generally I'd agree, and generally I'd have stuck at 10.3 on these
older machines, but to keep secure online you need to keep up to date.
On the plus side as Apple hardware is more controlled, they know that a
500mhz performs as a 500mhz, and isn't crippled by poor motherboards etc
etc, so when the system requirements are set, it generally means a
machine will be OK. On the iBook I'd say it's going to be a plodder, my
iMacs a plodder, but its ok, it isn't frustratingly slow otherwise it
wouldn't be used.
Mark
(in article <1j7ok0l.p3l80k9jckxsN%black...@jonbradbury.com>):
The first IceBook (500mhz) was limited by its bus: 66 MHz. This was bumped up
to 100 MHz for the 600mhz iBook (the very next one). Mine always seemed to
struggle.
Cheers ... Mark
Chris Ridd
> Safari crashes every time. I tracked down an article which blames the
> java component - I haven't had a chance to try the fix yet. I'd
> assumed that there might be a separately downloadable Safari installer
> for a later version, but I guess that isn't the case.
Apple did ship some versions of Safari like that, but they don't do it
generally.
> I'll have a look at console.app - presumably I run it from Terminal?
A GUI app: /Applications/Utilities/Console.app. NB from the terminal
you can type "open -a Console" and it'll open. The "-a" means open an
application.
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Chris
Chris Ridd
> Peter Ceresole wrote:
>> Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
>>
>>> IE5 is unspeakable, so I'm keen to get rid of it. However, at the
>>> moment it's the only working browser!
>>
>> Get Firefox. It works well with 10.3.9; <www.mozilla.com> will tell you
>> which version to get.
>>
>> It's excellent- enormously better than IE5 which, as you say, is a dog.
>> At the time, I reckoned it was also better than Safari.
>>
>> Nowadays there's not much to choose between the latest versions of
>> Safari and Firefox on the latest OSs.
>
> I was surprised that the Firefox site didn't offer a version which
> would run on 10.3.9. Only two versions are offered, and both need at
> least 10.4. It's an elderly machine, and my instincts are against
> upgrading the OS as a later version is likely to consume more resources.
That's not generally the case with OS X - newer releases are usually
faster and sometimes smaller. But you have to watch the minimum
hardware requirements. The Powerbook you mentioned fits the
requirements, though as Jon noted it is a bit light on RAM.
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Chris
Philip Herlihy
Said I was clueless on macs!
Thanks!
Phil
Philip Herlihy
Thanks - I'll certainly look into this.
Phil
eastender
Philip Herlihy <m...@here.localhost> wrote:
> One of my customers has asked me for help with his mac (I'm pretty
> clueless about macs). He has Panther 10.3.9, Internet Explorer 5 (which
> just about works) and a broken Safari which crashes since the upgrade to
> 10.3.9.
I wouldn't waste time on old stuff now - there are just too many
problems running old Internet software, especially browsers. Upgrade the
machine to Leopard if PowerPC or Snow Leopard if Intel.
E.
Philip Herlihy
Opera 10 and Camino 1.6 now working beautifully. Customer now realises
what a dog IE5 is. Safari still crashing periodically - the java issue
wasn't the cause.
Thanks to everyone who has responded. Now ever so slightly less
clueless about macs...
Phil
Rowland McDonnell
Very delayed, but mny advice is:
Upgrade the Mac to 10.4.11.
MacOS X 10.4 can run a /lot/ more software than 10.3. Lots of people
are using 10.4 without any serious limits at all. There were major
changes between 10.3 and 10.4 - basically, Apple added a lot of stuff to
10.4 to make application writers' life easier, and this stuff is used
for applications.
(Apple has added /some/ stuff along those lines to 10.5 and 10.6, but
the changes are less radical from what I understand.).
Anyway, I was using 10.4 on a 4G5 until about a month ago and almost all
the software I wanted to use was available to me in the latest versions.
Finally: no-one's suggested iCab: a Web browser that's been aaround for
years, is still being developed, and is definitely one to look at if you
want to get an old Mac on the Web. And when I say `old', I mean
`there's even pre OS X versions still available, although they've not
been updated for years'.
Firefox, Safari, OmniWeb, iCab, Opera, and Camino - I have all those Web
browsers available. And it turns out that each one of them except for
Camino has at one time or another let me access a Web page that the rest
of 'em couldn't. I try Camino last for the most part, which possibly
explains the above results.
Rowland.
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