elgato eyetv hybrid = Hauppauge WinTV HVR-900 ?
T i m
Whilst testing this new USB Webcam on the Mini last night I Bootcamped
it into XP and that told me there was a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-900 in
there that needed some drivers.
I downloaded them and the TV App last night and installed them this
morning and all seems fine (as I believe it also is under Mac OS
10.4.8).
Question though, why on Amazon is the HVR-900 less than £50 when as
the eyetv hybrid it's over £100?
I mean it's the same product (Hauppauge?) and does the same thing
(that I can see so far) under both OS's, so why the price hike for
'Mac' variant?
All the best ..
T i m
Bob Whoredrope
It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
think you had superior computing hardware.
P.S. Watch out, zooara will be stalking you again, the nasty boy. This
kind of thing is like red meat to Appleistas.
T i m
<nob...@mixmin.net> wrote:
>In article <fa80u2luftcd7vf95...@4ax.com>
>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Whilst testing this new USB Webcam on the Mini last night I Bootcamped
>> it into XP and that told me there was a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-900 in
>> there that needed some drivers.
>>
>> I downloaded them and the TV App last night and installed them this
>> morning and all seems fine (as I believe it also is under Mac OS
>> 10.4.8).
>>
>> Question though, why on Amazon is the HVR-900 less than £50 when as
>> the eyetv hybrid it's over £100?
>>
>> I mean it's the same product (Hauppauge?) and does the same thing
>> (that I can see so far) under both OS's, so why the price hike for
>> 'Mac' variant?
>>
>> All the best ..
>>
>> T i m
>
>It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
>think you had superior computing hardware.
I'm sure that can't be it Bob? Mind you, there don't seem to be any
alternative suggestions as yet so maybe you are right? <weg>.
I try to spend what little money wisely and it does leave a nasty
taste if I feel I have 'wasted' money for no real reason?
Having said that thought I thought there was something about the TvEye
software working with the Apple remote and not being available for
free download (if you bought the tuner as the Hauppauge version) and
that the TvEye software was 'good' so maybe worth paying the extra
for?
>
>P.S. Watch out, zooara will be stalking you again, the nasty boy.
He is a nasty boy that's for sure. I also think he is rude for not
replying to you. <snigger>
> This
>kind of thing is like red meat to Appleistas.
So it seems. One of the things I like about this n/g is it's buoyancy,
at least you generally get a reply even if it is explaining how you
are wrong (which is fine if you are etc), a troll (which is fine if
you are etc) or pratt (which i am) etc.
Luckily for the most part the respondees do have a grip on the real
world and I have made many decisions (some quite expensive for me)
based directly on their information. Like buying the iMini, Wacom
tablet, Parallels, Microsoft Mouse, USB Webcam, Behringer MS20's and
M-Audio MIDISport 2x2 to name but some.
Jim
> >It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
> >think you had superior computing hardware.
>
> I'm sure that can't be it Bob? Mind you, there don't seem to be any
> alternative suggestions as yet so maybe you are right? <weg>.
You know 'Bob' is a troll, right?
Right?
Jim
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T i m
wrote:
>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> >It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
>> >think you had superior computing hardware.
>>
>> I'm sure that can't be it Bob? Mind you, there don't seem to be any
>> alternative suggestions as yet so maybe you are right? <weg>.
>
>You know 'Bob' is a troll, right?
He's never done anything to me Jim?
I treat people as they treat me .. mostly ;-)
David Kennedy
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:30:15 +0000, j...@magrathea.plus.com (Jim)
> wrote:
>
>> T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
>>>> think you had superior computing hardware.
>>> I'm sure that can't be it Bob? Mind you, there don't seem to be any
>>> alternative suggestions as yet so maybe you are right? <weg>.
>> You know 'Bob' is a troll, right?
>
> He's never done anything to me Jim?
>
Q. How many eggs in a dozen
A. Pink
Come on Tim, stop playing around, you do understand what he's saying
don't you ? Pesonally I found it funny that you replied to "bob"
> I treat people as they treat me .. mostly ;-)
>
> All the best ..
>
> T i m
--
David Kennedy
T i m
<davidk...@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
wrote:
>On 25/2/07 12:54 pm, T i m wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:30:15 +0000, j...@magrathea.plus.com (Jim)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's all part of the Apple ethos. If you didn't pay more, you wouldn't
>>>>> think you had superior computing hardware.
>>>> I'm sure that can't be it Bob? Mind you, there don't seem to be any
>>>> alternative suggestions as yet so maybe you are right? <weg>.
>>> You know 'Bob' is a troll, right?
>>
>> He's never done anything to me Jim?
>>
>
>Q. How many eggs in a dozen
>
>A. Pink
That's 0 out of 1 for me then.
>
>Come on Tim, stop playing around, you do understand what he's saying
>don't you ?
Don't feed the trolls? If that's what you are (both) saying then isn't
that all a matter of degrees? I mean couldn't any off topic post or
digression from the OP could be considered so? I asked an honest
question and 'Bob' was the only one to offer a reply. As an outsider
his reply (or at least the first part) could easily be a genuine but
tounge-in-cheek / light hearted valid reason (perceived value).
If one is happy with the price of something then that's fine .. till
you find out that you might have been conned that is? Like me spending
£100 on something I *might* have been able to get for £50, or someone
advised to buy a (generally more expensive, in a straight £'s to get
something sense) Mac when a PC may have been a perfectly suitable
solution, or a Merc when a Ford would do etc. (I know there are loads
of side issues there like second hand values but not the point here).
But then it couldn't have been a troll feeding issue as you and Jim
wouldn't have told me here but would have done so off list (email add
correct) so I'm still confused?
But either way at least it shows you care so that's nice (genuinely)
;-)
> Pesonally I found it funny that you replied to "bob"
You did? That was the name on the post?
All the best ..
T i m.
About to see if I can get Skype / Cam going on the Mini while she
round her boyfriends and I can get near her desk ..
Jim
> But then it couldn't have been a troll feeding issue as you and Jim
> wouldn't have told me here but would have done so off list (email add
> correct) so I'm still confused?
It's also a public note to other people to check names/headers. Even
though the troll has done a fairly simple munging of a regular poster's
name, it's worth pointing out from time to time. I'm sure you weren't
fooled though, although it does beg the question: why did you reply to
an obvious troll? The reply "it's never targetted me" simply doesn't
wash.
Markus Winter
> the eyetv hybrid it's over £100?
>
> I mean it's the same product (Hauppauge?) and does the same thing
> (that I can see so far) under both OS's, so why the price hike for
> 'Mac' variant?
Have you read the reviews on amazon.co.uk???
Just to quote one:
"To begin with, the software is far more difficult to work with than it
should, and is several years out of date. Except for the DVB-T support it's
functionally identical to the software that came with my cheap Hauppauge
card several years ago that crashed any PC it was installed in. It also
can't automatically handle the widescreen modes that many channels are
broadcast in. Finally, the interface is clunky - especially so to
technically minded people like myself because it doesn't use the standard
Windows layout we've come to rely on - and when I tried to use the automatic
record feature it just plain didn't work for me. "
So on Windows you are still stuck with the same old crappy software that
they wrote years and years ago (any guess on whether it runs on Vista?).
With the Mac version you get EyeTV (which is a very nice piece of software
indeed and retails at £60) plus a one year subscription to tvtv.co.uk (worth
£30).
So the old Mac mantra still holds: usability is not about hardware - it's
all in the software, silly!
Markus
T i m
Ah, fair enough and thanks for that Markus.
I can't counter the reliability issue as we've not run it regularly
(although I left it running all day yesterday and it was ok) and the
bits we did play with seemed to work ok (so maybe that reviewer was
using older software or had other issues etc)?
In contrast I find the way the EyeTV 'took over' the Mac (as in it
filled the whole screen etc) a bit 'different' (but probably the
better way if you were using the Mac as a PVR etc).
Jenny however is probably most likely to use the TV windowed while she
chats to 15 mates on MSN .. ;-)
Thanks for the feedback though.
T i m
wrote:
>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> But then it couldn't have been a troll feeding issue as you and Jim
>> wouldn't have told me here but would have done so off list (email add
>> correct) so I'm still confused?
>
>It's also a public note to other people to check names/headers. Even
>though the troll has done a fairly simple munging of a regular poster's
>name, it's worth pointing out from time to time.
Ok ..
> I'm sure you weren't
>fooled though,
Well, I don't really know who any of the other Bobs are or know / care
if this one was a real Bob or not. Many posters here seem to change
their names for one reason or another .. zoara <> zoaran substitute
etc? I didn't say anything I wouldn't have said to the (a) real Bob in
any case? Had he slagged me off or something any reply would have been
to the alias slagging me off, not the person he was trying to
represent (and I've seen that happen here before).
>although it does beg the question: why did you reply to
>an obvious troll?
Because he offered a reply to my question (all be it light hearted).
> The reply "it's never targetted me" simply doesn't
>wash.
Wasn't it Oscar Wild that said "There is only one thing in the world
worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."
Oh hang on, I'm probably being slow here .. is it that *you* have been
targeted by this 'Bob' specifically and hence why we / I / one isn't
supposed to respond to him Jim? If that is the case I'm sorry I didn't
make the link etc.
However, I have been accused / called all sorts of things by a
minority of supposedly legitimate (non troll?) members of this group
but have chosen to either just 'turn the other cheek' or give as good
as I get. Those actions don't stop me offering the same people help if
I can as it's they are the ones who don't 'understand'.
None of the Trolls have ever hassled me (don't ask me why, maybe it's
not my turn yet?) so what *should* I have (or have not) done
differently and why please [1]?
All the best ..
T i m
[1] It's obvious I wouldn't enter into any other discussion with them
nor agree with some (many?) of the things they may post (but that
doesn't stop me thinking some of what they write is very funny, even
for the audacity / lack of PC of what they write).
Jerome O'Donohoe
> In contrast I find the way the EyeTV 'took over' the Mac (as in it
> filled the whole screen etc) a bit 'different' (but probably the
> better way if you were using the Mac as a PVR etc).\
My EyeTV installations have always opened in an "actual size" (i.e.
quite small) window initially, and i've full-screened when necessary.
David Kennedy
SNIP, SNIP, SNIP
And TIM it's when you enter your little fantasy world that people
suspect you are a) trying too hard, b) getting right up their nose and
c) being too clever by half.
So Tim, with regard to the above do you a) agree or b) strongly agree?
T i m
Hmmm? I wonder if that is a setting somewhere then Jerome. From memory
when we start the EyeTV you get a full screen blue menu (DVD, TV,
Music sorta thing) that you scroll round (vertically) with the remote?
I could easily be thinking of something else though, I have slept
since then .. ;-(
T i m
<davidk...@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
wrote:
>On 25/2/07 3:53 pm, T i m wrote:
>
>SNIP, SNIP, SNIP
>
>And TIM it's when you enter your little fantasy world that people
>suspect you are a) trying too hard, b) getting right up their nose and
>c) being too clever by half.
>
>So Tim, with regard to the above do you a) agree or b) strongly agree?
Pass (to both the statement and question).
Markus Winter
> filled the whole screen etc) a bit 'different' (but probably the
> better way if you were using the Mac as a PVR etc).
Not mine. Hit escape to go to a window size, quit, and start it again. It
should come back up at window size.
Markus
T i m
Ah, that could be it then, don't think of using Esc to control a
Window (thanks).
All the best
T i m
Jerome O'Donohoe
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:54:10 +0000, jer...@foobar.com (Jerome
> O'Donohoe) wrote:
>
> >T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> In contrast I find the way the EyeTV 'took over' the Mac (as in it
> >> filled the whole screen etc) a bit 'different' (but probably the
> >> better way if you were using the Mac as a PVR etc).\
> >
> >My EyeTV installations have always opened in an "actual size" (i.e.
> >quite small) window initially, and i've full-screened when necessary.
>
> Hmmm? I wonder if that is a setting somewhere then Jerome. From memory
> when we start the EyeTV you get a full screen blue menu (DVD, TV,
> Music sorta thing) that you scroll round (vertically) with the remote?
>
I've just installed it on my mini, and yes, if you initiate Eye TV from
the remote, it does start full screen. I hadn't really used the remote
until now, this is my first installation where the mac is keyboard &
mouseless! It makes sense to me, because I am using it as a full screen
device. If I was using it on a computer upon which I was also
computing, I wouldn't be using the IR remote to control it. You can
control all of it without initiating that blue menu with the remote.
T i m
O'Donohoe) wrote:
>T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:54:10 +0000, jer...@foobar.com (Jerome
>> O'Donohoe) wrote:
>>
>> >T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In contrast I find the way the EyeTV 'took over' the Mac (as in it
>> >> filled the whole screen etc) a bit 'different' (but probably the
>> >> better way if you were using the Mac as a PVR etc).\
>> >
>> >My EyeTV installations have always opened in an "actual size" (i.e.
>> >quite small) window initially, and i've full-screened when necessary.
>>
>> Hmmm? I wonder if that is a setting somewhere then Jerome. From memory
>> when we start the EyeTV you get a full screen blue menu (DVD, TV,
>> Music sorta thing) that you scroll round (vertically) with the remote?
>>
>I've just installed it on my mini, and yes, if you initiate Eye TV from
>the remote, it does start full screen.
Ok ..
> I hadn't really used the remote
>until now, this is my first installation where the mac is keyboard &
>mouseless! It makes sense to me, because I am using it as a full screen
>device.
Indeed.
> If I was using it on a computer upon which I was also
>computing, I wouldn't be using the IR remote to control it. You can
>control all of it without initiating that blue menu with the remote.
Hmm, I think we might have just plugged the USB tuner in and then the
app may have popped up (full screen).
I'll have to check it out again soon but need to re run new UHF feeder
round the house (we sometimes pickup electrical noise from road
vehicles that upsets the DTV signal).
David Cleland
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:52:16 +0000 (GMT), Bob Whoredrope
> <nob...@mixmin.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <fa80u2luftcd7vf95...@4ax.com>
>> T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Whilst testing this new USB Webcam on the Mini last night I Bootcamped
>>> it into XP and that told me there was a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-900 in
>>> there that needed some drivers.
>>>
>>> I downloaded them and the TV App last night and installed them this
>>> morning and all seems fine (as I believe it also is under Mac OS
>>> 10.4.8).
>>>
>>> Question though, why on Amazon is the HVR-900 less than £50 when as
>>> the eyetv hybrid it's over £100?
I have had stacks of occasions in the past where windows has identified
a product wrongly. I would doubt they are the same but the only way to
check is to stick a HVR-900 on to a mac and see if it works with eyetv.
I think if it does there would be a major backlash.
David
T i m
Erm, I think you must have missed a bit of this thread somewhere David
(or I misunderstand your thoughts)?
I bought an Elgato eyetv hybrid for the Mac Mini and installed it with
the software that came with it. It works ok.
When dual booting the Mini under XP it said it had found a Hauppauge
HVR-900 (also a USB DTV stick and *probably* the actual manufacturers
of the device?) so I downloaded the driver and app and ran it all day
yesterday.
>
>I think if it does there would be a major backlash.
Ooops?
Bob Whoredrope
T i m, face it. You are too decent and open-minded for tightasses like
David Kennedy and Jim the Grass. And you can include zooara too.
Go against the code and those little minds will be after you.
Markus Winter
>> should come back up at window size.
>
> Ah, that could be it then, don't think of using Esc to control a
> Window (thanks).
Not 'control a window' but to escape from full screen ;-)
LoL
Markus
T i m
Ah, sorry, didn't spot the subtly there (but then why would I, I'm a
hardware engineer).
Having said that (I think) I've only used the Esc key as that, to (or
attempt to) 'escape' from whatever I'm in, and often as a last resort
(also in games when it's often the 'back' button in setup screens
etc).
I've just tried using Esc in full screen in WMP and it does indeed
return to your previous windows setting. Maybe another reason I didn't
make the connection is I only generally use the keyboard when I have
to, preferring to double click on the full screen image to return it
to windowed.
I believe Mac's have traditionally tended to make more use of the
keyboard with their single button mouse + keystroke idea?
(I know how to right click, I was never confused .. ) ;-)
Bob Wardrope
>>It's also a public note to other people to check names/headers. Even
>>though the troll has done a fairly simple munging of a regular poster's
>>name, it's worth pointing out from time to time.
>
>
> Ok ..
>
>
>>I'm sure you weren't
>>fooled though,
>
>
> Well, I don't really know who any of the other Bobs are
Is it so long since I replied to one of your posts?
or know / care
That I believe,
> if this one was a real Bob or not. Many posters here seem to change
> their names for one reason or another .. zoara <> zoaran substitute
> etc? I didn't say anything I wouldn't have said to the (a) real Bob in
> any case? Had he slagged me off or something any reply would have been
> to the alias slagging me off, not the person he was trying to
> represent (and I've seen that happen here before).
>
I don't use an alias, I am who I am, the troll slightly obfuscates
regular posters nims/names as you have probably noticed.
>
<snip>
Bob W (The)
Peter Casserole
I hadn't noticed that, Boob. Thanks for the heads-up.
> >
> <snip>
>
> Bob W (The)