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Jeremy Nicoll - news posts

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May 22, 2012, 5:44:08 AM5/22/12

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"Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

> I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
> high priority updates:

> No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are
> then renewed.

Is WU showing them as succesfully installed, or are you just assuming that?

What about Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs - does that list them?

Googling eg KB2518864 shows people reporting this, and eg one post at:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_xp-windows_update/kb2518864-and-kb2478658-still-showing-as-ready-to/bee07e4c-a897-484f-aa35-6e6425d16da9

saying the root cause is that KB2518864 isn't actually installing the files
it's meant to, though it reports that it has worked. So next time WU scans
your machine and fails to find the files it says you need the fix again.

The solution appears to be to uninstall and reinstall the .NET framework.

> Is anyone else seeing this? Is there any news about why this is happening?

News? For a fix that became available in June 2011? You're way behind the
times...

My notes for June 2011 show no problem installing .NET fixes... but back in
Jan 2011 I did have problems and ended up uninstalling and reinstalling all
of .NET; it's possible that whatever that process fixed solved the potential
June problem for me. It wasn't just a case of normal uninstalls - there was
a MS tool that cleaned up broken aspects of .NET installs so that later
reinstalls would work properly. I would expect that you need to do this
too.

My notes for that (first in researching what to do then doing it) are:

2011 01 09 2004
-- latest update to fail (again) is:

Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 SP1
on Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2008 x86 (KB2416447)
-- rc 0x64C (as before).

KB976982 - describes having to make multiple attempts to install
service for .NET; suggests running a MSI software update
registration tool (KB971187), or uninstall and reinstall
the whole .NET framework - using an uninstall tool. This
KB article also provides links for downloading installers
for rebuilding that framework.

On 2011 01 03 I tried the simple fix (KB971187) which did not solve
this. The next thing to do is

a) Download the .NET Framework Cleanup Tool from the following link:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx

b) Use it to uninstall Frameworks: 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, and 3.5

c) Restart machine then install frameworks again, using

.Net Framework 1.1:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3

.Net Framework 1.1 SP1:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=A8F5654F-088E-40B2-BBDB-A83353618B38&displaylang=en

.NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (this will also install .Net Framework 2.0 SP2
and .Net Framework 3.0 SP2)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=AB99342F-5D1A-413D-8319-81DA479AB0D7&displaylang=en

(Info described below says that this should be done in order:
1. .Net Framework 3.5, then...
2. .Net Framework 1.1, then...
3. .Net Framework 1.1 SP1

d) Restart machine, then visit MS Update again.

While googling about this I stumbled over a report of someone having
done the above steps, and had them not work:

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en/vistawu/thread/f465584f-0250-451e-a81d-ed82e9bfdfbe

PA Bear (MVP) said it was important only to reinstall the bits that you
manually removed, AND to do them in a certain counter-intuitive order,
namely: first you can find out which bits are installed by:

see: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/318785
and: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/y549e41e.aspx

NB: If you remove .NET Framework 3.5 (SP1) using the tool, reinstalling
.NET Framework 3.5 will also install .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.0 SP2;
then Windows Update will offer .NET Framework 3.5 SP1.

IMPORTANT! => If you remove .NET Framework 3.5 (SP1), reinstall your .NET
Framework versions in the following order:

1. .Net Framework 3.5, then...
2. .Net Framework 1.1, then...
3. .Net Framework 1.1 SP1

NB: KB923100 references this page:

http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2006/05/30/611355.aspx

Please read ALL of it as well as the related page

http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/pages/8904493.aspx

before using the .NET Framework Cleanup Tool.

2011 01 09 2202
-- ran .NET Framework Cleanup Tool, for 'All Versions' then saved the
logs that had created in a "clean1" folder. Then rebooted.

2011 01 09 2227
-- after reboot CP Add/Remove still lists some .NET items.
Reran tool for ".NET Framework 1.1" --> clean2 logs
Reran tool for ".NET Framework 2.0" --> clean3 logs
Reran tool for ".NET Framework 3.5" --> clean4 logs

Then rebooted.

2011 01 09 2254
-- ran installer for .NET 3.5 - it's a rather small file - and the
reason is that it downloads a 50 MB file!

2011 01 09 2303
-- ran installer for .NET 1.1

2011 01 09 2306
-- ran installer for .NET 1.1 SP1, then rebooted.

2011 01 09 2338
-- after reboot (various apps not starting properly) went to
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com and looked for critical
updates; was offered .NET 3.5 SP1 etc - KB951487 (which is
already downloaded). Accepted it; it installed OK!!!

HTH

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Tony Mountifield

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May 22, 2012, 7:19:54 AM5/22/12

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In article <3nqmr7h4tvsff37cs...@4ax.com>,
Anthony R. Gold <tg...@panix.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:44:08 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
> <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
> >> high priority updates:
> >
> >> No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are
> >> then renewed.
> >
> > Is WU showing them as succesfully installed, or are you just assuming that?
> >
> > What about Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs - does that list them?
>

> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Windows Update shows them repeatedly installed in History. I did not manage
> to spot them in Add/Remove Programs, but that is a difficult list to search.
> More interestingly, the report from Belarc Advisor, which is easy to search,
> does not show them.
>
> This is a brand new event that stated just yesterday and was certainly absent
> at the time of the last monthly updates to Windows on 8 May 2012.
>
> I'll follow up on your most helpful suggestions including the Cleanup Tool
> and also a new clean install of the .Net framework software.

Removing and reinstalling .NET is hardly a "solution". This problem is affecting
me too, and it looks like a bad set of updates by Microsoft. Woody's advice
is to turn off automatic updates (I set them to "ask" rather than "off") until
Microsoft sorts out the mess.

See http://www.askwoody.com/2012/problems-with-kb-2633880-2518864-2572073/

Cheers
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Paul Herber

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May 22, 2012, 8:41:36 AM5/22/12

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On Tue, 22 May 2012 11:39:52 +0100, "Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2012 10:44:08 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts
><jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>

>> "Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
>>> high priority updates:
>>
>>> No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are
>>> then renewed.
>>
>> Is WU showing them as succesfully installed, or are you just assuming that?
>>
>> What about Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs - does that list them?
>

>Thanks for your comments.
>
>Windows Update shows them repeatedly installed in History. I did not manage
>to spot them in Add/Remove Programs, but that is a difficult list to search.
>More interestingly, the report from Belarc Advisor, which is easy to search,
>does not show them.
>
>This is a brand new event that stated just yesterday and was certainly absent
>at the time of the last monthly updates to Windows on 8 May 2012.
>
>I'll follow up on your most helpful suggestions including the Cleanup Tool
>and also a new clean install of the .Net framework software.
>

Just started happening here too. Select to do a custom install of the updates, the 3
updates are listed, untick each one, OK, then tick "Don't tell me about these again" (or
whatever the xact wording is). These updates should henceforth be ignored.

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May 22, 2012, 11:42:01 AM5/22/12

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"Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for your comments.

I think I need to apologise to you, and I may have been hasty... I assumed
these were old patches, but if they're today's ones then I have no idea if
what I suggested will work.

It also suggests that MS may be using the same KBnnnn value for successive
versions of fixes, which is hardly ideal. But I still see, for KB2518864,
the page:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2518864

describing things from a year ago.

John Hall

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May 22, 2012, 2:19:54 PM5/22/12

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In article <3cimr7l82cs58i7dg...@4ax.com>,

Anthony R. Gold <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> writes:
>I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
>high priority updates:
>

>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2633880)
>
>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2572073)
>
>Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2518864)

>
>No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are then
>renewed.
>

>This behaviour is common to all my computers.

>
>Is anyone else seeing this? Is there any news about why this is happening?

I had exactly the same thing happen. They seem to have fixed it now, so
that finally, at about 6pm, the installation "took".
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May 22, 2012, 8:58:48 PM5/22/12

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"Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 May 2012 19:19:54 +0100, John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk>
>wrote:

>
>> I had exactly the same thing happen. They seem to have fixed it now, so
>> that finally, at about 6pm, the installation "took".
>

>Thanks, I confirm that it looks fine now.

I visited the Windows Update website a few hours ago, and none of these
fixes were even listed for my machine. So does that mean they've withdrawn
them rather than fixed the detection code, or have I in fact had some or all
of them applied for months?

John Hall

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In article <mpro.m4gaq0...@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,

Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp....@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>

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>"Anthony R. Gold" <not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 19:19:54 +0100, John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I had exactly the same thing happen. They seem to have fixed it now, so
>>> that finally, at about 6pm, the installation "took".
>>
>>Thanks, I confirm that it looks fine now.
>
>I visited the Windows Update website a few hours ago, and none of these
>fixes were even listed for my machine. So does that mean they've withdrawn
>them rather than fixed the detection code, or have I in fact had some or all
>of them applied for months?
>

I'm wondering if they were actually old updates that somehow erroneously
became flagged at the Windows Update site as being new ones that needed
to be applied. I say that because, when I did a websearch yesterday for
references to the relevant KB numbers, I found some going as far back as
2011.

Dr J R Stockton

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In uk.comp.os.ms-windows message <3cimr7l82cs58i7dgma4m8vnr0434p27fg@4a
x.com>, Tue, 22 May 2012 09:14:14, Anthony R. Gold <not-for-
ma...@ahjg.co.uk> posted:

>I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
>high priority updates:
>
>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2633880)
>
>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2572073)
>
>Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2518864)
>
>No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are then
>renewed.
>
>This behaviour is common to all my computers.
>
>Is anyone else seeing this? Is there any news about why this is happening?

Same here. But last night's turn-off install seems to have worked
properly.

Announce - my SEAKFYLE for selective Windows directory searching, via
<http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/32-bit/00index.htm>.

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May 29, 2012, 2:55:58 PM5/29/12

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On Tue, 22 May 2012 09:14:14 +0100, "Anthony R. Gold"
<not-fo...@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

>I am being pestered by Microsoft' Windows Update to install the following
>high priority updates:
>
>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2633880)
>
>Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2572073)
>
>Security Update for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and 3.5 SP1 on Windows Server 2003
>and Windows XP x86 (KB2518864)
>
>No matter how often they are successfully installed, those requests are then
>renewed.
>
>This behaviour is common to all my computers.
>
>Is anyone else seeing this? Is there any news about why this is happening?

I had that too. I refused them the nth time and they haven't
come back. Only happened on my Windows-7 machine but not on the
XP one.

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