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RubbishRat

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Aug 3, 2004, 5:03:47 AM8/3/04
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I have the infamous copy of XP Pro and I recently bought a legit XP Pro COA
on eBay but my copy won't accept the product key when I try to install the
os. I have fdisked the drive and just let XP Pro format it so it's a clean
install, but when I get to the product key window XP rejects the product key
as not genuine but the COA is definitely a genuine MS product holograms and
all. Printed on the COA are the words " Windows XP Professional 1-2CPU IBM
could there be a clue there?
Any help or suggestions most appreciated.
Regards,
Pete


Groove

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Aug 3, 2004, 6:36:49 AM8/3/04
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RubbishRat said this...

> I have the infamous copy of XP Pro and I recently bought a legit XP Pro

> COA on eBay but my copy won't accept the product key..

Corporate version IIRC will only accept corp. keys.
You need a full or oem cd.


--
º~ david ~º

Paul-B - the original and the best!

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Aug 3, 2004, 5:41:11 AM8/3/04
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RubbishRat posted:

You probably have the disk for the XP Pro Corporate, which won't accept
the genuine key.

If you are on ADSL there are torrents of the genuine article
available... try www.suprnova.org, where you can download the .iso and
burn it onto a CD.

Or call Microsoft, tell them your dog ate your original disk and
they'll send you a replacement (dunno if they still do this, they
certainly used to).

--
Paul-B

"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough."
- Mario Andretti

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Parish

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Aug 3, 2004, 5:43:57 AM8/3/04
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Groove wrote:

And even if he had a genuine full or OEM CD (but had lost the key) the
key on the "genuine" COA probably wouldn't work as

>> Printed on the COA are the words " Windows XP Professional
>> 1-2CPU IBM"

^^^^^^

Sounds like an IBM OEM version, i.e. BIOS locked so will only work on
IBMs, and possibly only certain models.

Parish


Groove

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Aug 3, 2004, 6:48:04 AM8/3/04
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Parish said this...

> >> Printed on the COA are the words " Windows XP Professional
> >> 1-2CPU IBM"
> ^^^^^^
>
> Sounds like an IBM OEM version, i.e. BIOS locked so will only work on
> IBMs, and possibly only certain models.
>

I have *cough* (a friend with)
an IBM COA XP Pro happily running on an old eMachine so they can't all be
locked.


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º~ david ~º

Parish

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Aug 3, 2004, 6:12:03 AM8/3/04
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Groove wrote:

That's useful to know ;-)

Did "your friend" use the IBM CD as well as the Key from the COA? I
wonder if branded OEM CDs only work with keys from the same OEMs COAs?
We couldn't install HP OEM XP Pro on a non-HP machine (not pirating, it
was at work and we had ordered a copy of XP Pro to upgrade a machine but
thought we'd save a day using the HP copy).

Parish

Groove

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Aug 3, 2004, 7:20:56 AM8/3/04
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Parish said this...


> That's useful to know ;-)
>
> Did "your friend" use the IBM CD as well as the Key from the COA? I
> wonder if branded OEM CDs only work with keys from the same OEMs COAs?
> We couldn't install HP OEM XP Pro on a non-HP machine (not pirating, it
> was at work and we had ordered a copy of XP Pro to upgrade a machine but
> thought we'd save a day using the HP copy).
>
> Parish
>

The installation was from an unbranded oem cd as supplied by your friendly
neighbourhood dealer. Serial from the IBM-branded COA used successfully
and automated activation went without a hitch. Hope that's some help.

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º~ david ~º

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Alex Fraser

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Aug 3, 2004, 9:58:26 AM8/3/04
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"Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> You've a product key from a Pre SP1 version of XP and are trying to use
> an installation disk that has SP1/1a streamlined into it

Any legitimate pre-SP1 key should work whether or not SP1(a) has been
slipstreamed, shouldn't it? Otherwise there would be no point in
slipstreaming.

> or the other way round.

By which I presume you mean a post-SP1 key and an original XP disc. That's
possible.

Alex


Gaz

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Aug 3, 2004, 5:46:04 PM8/3/04
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I have not come across a single xp coa that has been locked, all the branded
home XP have worked with home oems, and all the pro coas have installed with
Pro oem.

I ahve installed many many XPs, not saying there isnt any that are locked,
but i havent came across any, all the Dells i have tried where fine, all the
IBMs and others 100%.

Gaz

> Parish


Gaz

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Aug 3, 2004, 5:48:16 PM8/3/04
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Conor wrote:
> In article <410f5704$0$7133$db0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, RubbishRat
> says...

>> I have the infamous copy of XP Pro and I recently bought a legit XP
>> Pro COA on eBay but my copy won't accept the product key when I try
>> to install the os. I have fdisked the drive and just let XP Pro
>> format it so it's a clean install, but when I get to the product key
>> window XP rejects the product key as not genuine but the COA is
>> definitely a genuine MS product holograms and all. Printed on the
>> COA are the words " Windows XP Professional 1-2CPU IBM could there
>> be a clue there?
>
> Easy one this.

>
> You've a product key from a Pre SP1 version of XP and are trying to
> use an installation disk that has SP1/1a streamlined into it or the
> other way round.

A genuine serial number (which the poster has on his coa) will work on a pre
and post sp1 version, his problem is not the serial, but that he has the Pro
volume license install CD, he needs the Pro OEM install CD.

Gaz

> Solution?
>
> Go onto the internet and find a dodgy XP installation CD Key that
> works. Install XP with that CD Key. Run Windows Product Activation.
> It'll tell you the key is invalid and to enter another one. Enter the
> legit one you've got. You may have to ring MS depending if the key has
> been used before but that should be it. Once activated, backup the
> wpa.dll file in \Windows directory so next time you re-install you can
> copy that to your Windows directory and not have to activate again.


RubbishRat

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Aug 3, 2004, 7:37:20 PM8/3/04
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Many thanks to everyone who took the time and trouble to help me, Your
information and suggestions have been very helpful and I appreciate it. What
I've done now is, I borrowed a friends XP Pro restore disk (he has a Dell
Optiplex) The installation went well but I wasn't asked for the product key
at all, so I used ViewKeyXP.exe to see his original product key, then I
used update_xp_cd_key.exe to change it to one on my COA and the new key was
accepted. The only problem now is that the new installation wants to
activate and it's given me 30 days to comply. I'll have a go tomorrow and
see how activation goes. I'll post an update after I try to let you know how
it went.
Many thanks again.
Pete

Parish

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Aug 3, 2004, 8:18:51 PM8/3/04
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Gaz wrote:

It's the CD, or rather the installer on it, that's BIOS locked of course
(why the HP OEM wouldn't install on a non-HP machine) but I thought that
the CD keys had to match the type of install they were used with, in the
same way that only Volume Licence (aka "Corporate") keys will only work
with VL installs - isn't that how MS were able to lock out the illegal
installs of the pirate "Corp" edition in SP1 without affecting legit
installs? Based on your reply it would seem that this is only true for
VL keys.

Thanks for clarifying.

Parish

> Gaz
>
>> Parish
>
>

Parish

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Aug 3, 2004, 8:29:13 PM8/3/04
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RubbishRat wrote:

> I borrowed a friends XP Pro restore disk (he has a Dell Optiplex)
> The installation went well

And your machine isn't a Dell? If not, then that's interesting as an HP
XP CD wouldn't install on a non-HP machine - as per a previous post.

Hmmm, I'm curious. I have a Dell branded XP CD for my laptop; I might
just throw a spare HD in my (non-Dell) machine and see if it will install.

> but I wasn't asked for the product key at all,

I'm sure that I was asked for it when I had to rebuild my Dell laptop -
a nuisance as the key is on the COA sticker on the underside of the laptop.

Parish

P.S. I was watching Rail Cops on BBC1 this evening and two of the
coppers they were following were short-arses, 5'4" & 5'6". One of them
said their colleagues called them "laptops" - small PCs :-)

Oh well, I found it funny.

Paul Hill

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Aug 4, 2004, 4:14:02 AM8/4/04
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Parish wrote:
> RubbishRat wrote:
>
>> I borrowed a friends XP Pro restore disk (he has a Dell Optiplex) The
>> installation went well
>
> And your machine isn't a Dell? If not, then that's interesting as an HP
> XP CD wouldn't install on a non-HP machine - as per a previous post.
>
> Hmmm, I'm curious. I have a Dell branded XP CD for my laptop; I might
> just throw a spare HD in my (non-Dell) machine and see if it will install.

It's possible but you need to do some tweaking. IIRC you need to hack
the isthisadell.exe (forget the exact name) with a binary editor &
replace NTLDR with a 'proper' version.

--
Paul

RubbishRat

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Aug 4, 2004, 5:04:25 AM8/4/04
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Update - Got the thing online this morning and Activation was successful
using a DEll Optiplex restore disk and "update_xp_cd_key.exe" to swap the
product key.
SP1a has been installed successfully. Just thought you'd all like to know.
Thanks again for all your advice. I wouldn't have got onto the right track
without it.
Pete


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Ralph Wade Phillips

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Aug 5, 2004, 12:37:05 PM8/5/04
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Howdy!

"Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:MPG.1b7ad330d...@news.claranews.com...
> In article <2nafldF...@uni-berlin.de>, Gaz says...


>
> > A genuine serial number (which the poster has on his coa) will work on a
pre
> > and post sp1 version,
>

> No it will not. The hash algorithm used to validate keys was changed
> with SP1. I've been there and done that.

Mmmm ... There's some overlap then, because I've done the
"Slipstream" and installed with COA codes before.

I'm not saying it DIDN'T - but that there is some overlap between
the two code sequences.

I've not had one fail either, for that matter ...

But I am amassing a collection of CDs with XP home and pro for
various OEMs for my bench (copies!) so I can repair or install as needed for
customers with their COAs.

RwP


Gaz

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Aug 6, 2004, 1:35:48 PM8/6/04
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Conor wrote:
> In article <2nafldF...@uni-berlin.de>, Gaz says...
>
>> A genuine serial number (which the poster has on his coa) will work
>> on a pre and post sp1 version,
>
> No it will not. The hash algorithm used to validate keys was changed
> with SP1. I've been there and done that.

I have not come across this at all. What version of XP was this on?


Gaz


Parish

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Aug 6, 2004, 2:26:03 PM8/6/04
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They did change the hash algorithm in SP1 but only to _add_ a hash of
the CD key that had been used to install XP - that was how they broke
the pirated "Corp" edition that used the original leaked key (FCWK... or
something like that). It also allows them to add new pirate CD keys as
they are discovered.

Conor must be thinking of something else because if you had a (legit)
copy of XP and slipstreamed SP1, which is legal - there's even a How-to
Knowledgebase article - then MS would have to issue every user a new CD key.

Parish

Parish

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Aug 6, 2004, 2:33:47 PM8/6/04
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Parish wrote:

> Conor must be thinking of something else because if you had a (legit)
> copy of XP and slipstreamed SP1, which is legal - there's even a How-to
> Knowledgebase article - then MS would have to issue every user a new CD key.
>

Ah, unless he meant that a CD key from a Pre-SP1 CD won't work with a
_new_ XP+SP1a CD - as opposed to a slipstreamed original - which is how
I (and seemingly others) read what he is saying. Is that what you mean
Conor?

Parish

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