You Can't Trust Retail Company's Security Reccommendations
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
"PC World's World of Profit"
(PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry serving the
non-computer-savvy public in general.)
I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the interests
of the retailers only?
Jeff Gaines
Dr.Hal0nf1rŁ$ wrote:
There's one of my posts in the right hand column, can't quite understand
the point made after it though.
Apparently this is a particularly geeky newsgroup :-)
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
> On 04/05/2008 in message <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
> Dr.Hal0nf1rŁ$ wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the article
>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>
>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>
>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>
>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>> interests of the retailers only?
>
> There's one of my posts in the right hand column, can't quite
> understand the point made after it though.
>
> Apparently this is a particularly geeky newsgroup :-)
That is a seperate article covering all three columns touching on the
comparison between the reputation of Intel CPUs and how the market appears
to be driven more by hype and reputation than actual functionality.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
>>
>>> Take a look at the article
>>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>>
>>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>>
>>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>>
>>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>>> interests of the retailers only?
>>
>> There's one of my posts in the right hand column, can't quite
>> understand the point made after it though.
>>
>> Apparently this is a particularly geeky newsgroup :-)
>
> That is a seperate article covering all three columns touching on the
> comparison between the reputation of Intel CPUs and how the market
> appears to be driven more by hype and reputation than actual
> functionality.
Oops: 'Should read "touching on the
> comparison between the reputation of Intel and AMD CPUs..."
Dale Harper
Dale
"Dr.Hal0nf1r£$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>> On 04/05/2008 in message <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
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> I dont think so
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What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
your glasses?
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Kadaitcha Man
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> In <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
> "Dr.Hal0nf1r=C2=A3$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Take a look at the article
>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>
>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>
>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>
>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>> interests of the retailers only?
>
> What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
> use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
> your glasses?
You fat-mouthed fuckwart. You obviously didn't see the website before
Sharron revamped it. If you had, you'd have no fucking eyes left to see the
current incarnation, and you'd be posting in braille.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
> "Tony Houghton" <h...@realh.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:20080505003...@tiber.realh.co.uk...
>> In <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
>> "Dr.Hal0nf1r=C2=A3$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> Take a look at the article
>>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>>
>>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>>
>>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>>
>>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>>> interests of the retailers only?
>>
>> What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
>> use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
>> your glasses?
>
>
> You fat-mouthed fuckwart. You obviously didn't see the website before
> Sharron revamped it. If you had, you'd have no fucking eyes left to
> see the current incarnation, and you'd be posting in braille.
LOL I see your point about the background; although it's actually a default
background from Office 2007: I'll make changes though.
I think K-Man's thinking of another website; that being my main website
kustomkomputa.co.uk, which was initially a mess.
I still have work to do on kustomkomputa.com incidentally; so if anyone
doesn't like it as it is now then the feeling's mutual: it'll be sorted
eventually. I take a Jamaican approach to website-building: Everything in
its time as and when I have the time to spare.
Kadaitcha Man
> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> "Tony Houghton" <h...@realh.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:20080505003...@tiber.realh.co.uk...
>>> In <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
>>> "Dr.Hal0nf1r=C2=A3$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Take a look at the article
>>>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>>>
>>>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>>>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>>>> interests of the retailers only?
>>>
>>> What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
>>> use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
>>> your glasses?
>>
>>
>> You fat-mouthed fuckwart. You obviously didn't see the website before
>> Sharron revamped it. If you had, you'd have no fucking eyes left to
>> see the current incarnation, and you'd be posting in braille.
>
> LOL I see your point about the background; although it's actually a
> default background from Office 2007: I'll make changes though.
>
> I think K-Man's thinking of another website; that being my main website
> kustomkomputa.co.uk, which was initially a mess.
Mess is not the word, dear, and eye-burning monstrosity doesn't even come
close.
I still love you, but.
SteveH
I think you also need to decide whether you are trying to flog PC's or grind
axes with
various IT companies. Also, if you are going to grind axes, you need to get
your facts right - PCWorld.com are nothing to do with the PC World who flog
computers in the UK.
I would also be careful about making statements like 'because they get a
backhander', in case that was taken the wrong way by the said company.
TBH, the hompage just reads like sour grapes as oppsed to someone who's
trying to flog PC's
Sorry
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
LOL
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
Let's get things sorted before we go any further: Kkomp.com is a linked
extension of kustomkomputa.co.uk: where issues and comments reside
seperately from kustomkomputa.co.uk. That website is *NOT* in itself aimed
at sales; it's more of a public service; although kustomkomputa.co.uk is
advertised on it.
kustomkomputa.co.uk is the site aimed at selling my wares. Its purpose is
solely to advertise the unique personalised computers I can and do build for
customers. All comments and helpful links are situated on kkomp.com to avoid
intermingling them with the sales advertising.
kustomkomputa.com is an as-yet-partially-developed sister site of
kustomkomputa.co.uk.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
> to get your facts right - PCWorld.com are nothing to do with the PC
> World who flog computers in the UK.
Oops - I think you're right there, so I'm pulling the article.
They do appear to have extremely similar practices perhaps though?
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
BTW I made a blunder; a case of mistaken identity, so I've pulled the
article.
Apologies to anyone I accidentally misled or offended.
Dr. Bill
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> "Tony Houghton" <h...@realh.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:20080505003...@tiber.realh.co.uk...
>> In <XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com>
>> "Dr.Hal0nf1r=C2=A3$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Take a look at the article
>>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>>
>>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>>
>>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>>
>>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>>> interests of the retailers only?
>>
>> What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
>> use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
>> your glasses?
>
>
> You fat-mouthed fuckwart. You obviously didn't see the website before
> Sharron revamped it. If you had, you'd have no fucking eyes left to see
> the current incarnation, and you'd be posting in braille.
The colours are beautiful, but the pink "welcome" might be better looking in
Comic Sans MS!
http://www.geocities.com/spmf38/
"Sisters of Sarum" seems a bit wobbly to me, but it might be an attack of my
nystagmus.
http://www.sistersofsarum.co.uk/
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> "Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nos...@gmail.com> schreef in berichtnews:1ri8a8....@news.alt.net...
>
>
>
> > "Tony Houghton" <h...@realh.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:20080505003...@tiber.realh.co.uk...
> >> "Dr.Hal0nf1r=C2=A3$" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> Take a look at the article
> >>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>
> >>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
> >>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>
> >>>http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>
> >>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
> >>> interests of the retailers only?
>
> >> What on earth possessed you to use that background? Or did you try to
> >> use a light grey texture, accidentally convert it to 2-bit and forget
> >> your glasses?
>
> > You fat-mouthed fuckwart. You obviously didn't see the website before
> > Sharron revamped it. If you had, you'd have no fucking eyes left to see
> > the current incarnation, and you'd be posting in braille.
>
> The colours are beautiful, but the pink "welcome" might be better looking in
> Comic Sans MS!http://www.geocities.com/spmf38/
Nope. Comic Sans is for kids and kids ONLY, you stupid monkey!
> "Sisters of Sarum" seems a bit wobbly to me, but it might be an attack of my
> nystagmus.http://www.sistersofsarum.co.uk/
> --
> Please state the nature of the medical emergency?
I told you!
Kadaitcha Man
True, and the surgeon told me he can't make me a lesbian in a day either, so
I went out and bought one.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
If you'd sent me the wool I'd have made you one.
Synapse Syndrome
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<chuckle>
By the way, idiot, the UK magazine has nothing to do with them either.
http://www.pcw.co.uk/
Really confusing for you?
ss.
Synapse Syndrome
I'd trust whatever they say over your deranged rantings.
ss.
SteveH
What worries me is the site also links to that Kaiditcha idiots site, and
I've had my fill of that twat to be sure.
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SteveH
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
right.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
> Synapse Syndrome wrote:
>> "Dr.Hal0nf1r" <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:XYidnXx1686xs4PV...@bt.com...
>>> Take a look at the article
>>> "PC World's World of Profit"
>>>
>>> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry
>>> serving the non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>>>
>>> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>>>
>>> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the
>>> interests of the retailers only?
>>
>>
>> I'd trust whatever they say over your deranged rantings.
>>
>> ss.
That's fine with me ss; you lose money while you prove me right.
>
>
> What worries me is the site also links to that Kaiditcha idiots site,
> and I've had my fill of that twat to be sure.
Fair comment perhaps; but whatever you might think of K-Man as a person; his
site's a useful commodity.
lol
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Kadachia man is a fucking usenet legend and he's seen off
twats more times that he's been called a twat, and that's a lot.
SteveH
>
> Kadachia man is a fucking usenet legend and he's seen off
> twats more times that he's been called a twat, and that's a lot.
Well if you think that someone that spends most of his time badmouthing
people just for the sake of it is a legend, then you have my sympathies.
Shame in a way, coz when he can manage to stop swearing, he does actually
seem to know his stuff when it comes to Windoze. Couldn't help me hoping
however that the rumours of his demise were real.
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SteveH
Well, as regards you stuff on the site about Intel/AMD, for years I've been
an AMD fanboi and have built many PC's for others, all based on AMD CPU's,
but since the C2D's have been available, thats changed for me. Two main
reasons:
1. You have to give the customers what they actually want/need
2. C2D's /are/ better!
No, I wouldn't like to see Intel as the only CPU maker, but unless AMD pull
something out of the bag, it's likely to happen. Perhaps they shouldn't have
been so concerned with aquiring AMD and just put that money into the CPU
design division. Who knows?
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SteveH
Should read 'aquiring ATI' - oops!
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Tony Houghton
"SteveH" <steve.ho...@MEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, as regards you stuff on the site about Intel/AMD, for years
> I've been an AMD fanboi and have built many PC's for others, all
> based on AMD CPU's, but since the C2D's have been available, thats
> changed for me. Two main reasons:
>
> 1. You have to give the customers what they actually want/need
> 2. C2D's /are/ better!
But when you factor in the cost of a decent motherboard, don't AMD still
offer better value in the low to mid range?
> No, I wouldn't like to see Intel as the only CPU maker, but unless
> AMD pull something out of the bag, it's likely to happen. Perhaps
> they shouldn't have been so concerned with aquiring [ATI] and just put
> that money into the CPU design division. Who knows?
Combined CPUs and GPUs are the next big thing, and aquiring ATI could
give AMD a head start over Intel, let alone being necessary to compete
at all.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$
As you may or may not know I'm an avid AMD supporter; not because AMD are on
the cutting edge as much as Intel; which clearly they aren't ATM, but
because AMD uses what is IMO a more rigid technology which gives greater
stability.
Unfortunately AMD took a long time to develop their multi-processor (More
than 2 processors.) technology, which caused their edge to slip away and
Intel to gain market dominance. One has to remember that while AMD were
leading the field and Intel looked rather borked out back in 2005; Intel
weren't rubbing their sweaty forheads worrying about the situation, but were
developing the technologies to put them in their current position: Indeed
their 45nm technologies have reportedly been in development for a number of
years. In the same way then, AMD aren't or shouldn't be fretting but
developing in secret the next leap. I predict an ensing game of leapfrog
where AMD and Intel subsequently dominate the market one after the other for
a period of a couple of years each into the forseeable future.
As Tony says; there's the AMD advantage of ability to produce sophisticated
C/GPU technologies; and from what I've read and seen of Intel graphics
processors to date they already have a considerable advantage in the GPU
field; even though ATI drivers have recently left something to be desired.
And yes; as far as low to mid-range mobos are concerned; AMD without doubt
have the best value. as for the mid to high-end; Intel have that well sewn
up currently, but a "watch this dominance" sign may need to be erected with
regard to the overclocking and gaming world.
Daniel James
> 2. C2D's /are/ better!
There's no doubt in my mind that C2Ds are better than the current AMD
X2 equivalents, but when you consider the combination of CPU and
motherboard I still find myself preferring the AMD solution.
There are several quite good and fairly inexpensive AM2 motherboards
that provide everything I look for in a motherboard (2xIDE channels,
COM port, PS/2 KB & mouse, firewire, and (perhaps the hardest to find)
ECC RAM support) -- as well as the usual slack handful of USB and SATA
connectors that every board has) but very few S775 motherboards that do
(it seems to be limited to a small number of the more expensive 975X
boards, and some of those may no longer be available).
Some of these things (COM ports, especially) can be provided via add-in
PCI cards, so they're not /essential/ on the m/b itself, but it still
costs almost four times as much to get a decent S775 board with ECC
memory as it does an AM2 system (the board costs about three times as
much, and as they don't have on-board graphics one has to buy a --
ridiculously over-powered, for my work -- graphics card as well).
Adding in the cost of the CPU still leaves intel costing about twice as
much as AMD at the "sweet spot" on the price/performance curve.
If you want the fastest CPU available then the balance swings to intel,
though, as their top CPUs are definitely faster than AMDs and in that
market nobody looks at the price!
For quad-core the decision is a bit different as typical AM2+ boards
are as poorly-specified as typical S775 boards, so there's not much to
choose between them -- might as well get a cheap S775 board that
doesn't support ECC as a cheap AM2+ board that also doesn't ...
Now I do realize that not everyone cares enough about data integrity to
pay a little more (and sacrifice a little speed) for the reassurance of
ECC memory; and I do realize that not everyone needs two IDE connectors
in these days of SATA hard drives -- my point is not that everyone
should have these things, but that if they can be provided cheaply and
easily for AM2 (as it appears that they can) it's surprising that it
seems not to be possible for S775. It's down to the chipsets, of
course, but why do nVidia, for example, who make good ECC-capable
chipsets for AMD not also make them for intel?
Cheers,
Daniel.
John Jordan
>
> It's down to the chipsets, of course, but why do nVidia, for example,
> who make good ECC-capable chipsets for AMD not also make them for
> intel?
Since the A64, chipsets have had no role in ECC provision on AMD boards.
It's just a matter of connecting the data lines on the board and the
BIOS setting some flags in the CPU's memory controller.
--
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<fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Take a look at the article
> "PC World's World of Profit"
>
> (PC World are an English retail outlet for the computer industry serving the
> non-computer-savvy public in general.)
>
> http://www.kkomp.com/dex1.htm
>
> I wonder how many other listings of the "Top" Products are in the interests
> of the retailers only?
That's why I never visit those sites or read their fucking noobish
magazines (not for 8+ years anyway)
Daniel James
wrote:
> Since the A64, chipsets have had no role in ECC provision on AMD boards.
Ah, thanks. That explains a lot, I suppose.
I shall have to look again for AM2+ boards supporting ECC -- last time I
looked I couldn't find any but if it's a CPU function there's no reason
for a board not to support it.
Cheers,
Daniel.
John Jordan
Oh, there are enough reasons. A lot of boards save a few pennies by not
connecting the extra data pins, and others don't bother putting the ECC
config options in the BIOS.
I never figured out a way to tell whether ECC was actually operational,
although I guess something like CPU-Z might work.
--
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