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Chris S

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Jun 24, 2004, 10:47:41 AM6/24/04
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Now we have our barley tower empty, I can see the true meaning of moist
grain storage - 5 big leaks from somewhere near the top. Boythorpe put it
up and, in the olden days when we had the money for such luxurious
overheads, used to come out annually to pressure test and "service" it.
Boythorpe seem to have disappeared now, so has anyone got any handy hints as
to how to fix those high level leaks, or know of a contractor who can do it?

Chris S


Tim Lamb

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Jun 24, 2004, 5:02:02 PM6/24/04
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In article <cbepje$bfe$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, Chris S
<cjs@bradley.[forget thespam]> writes

Oz is your man for outdoor round bins but I think he is busy at the
moment.

regards

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Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb

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Jun 25, 2004, 5:50:02 AM6/25/04
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In article <bQA2KDAKF02AFwo$@marford.demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
<t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes

Mail from Stephen attached...

>
I have been trying to post this to the group, but failing. Can you put
it up for me please?

We used Paul Hibberd of Broughton Astley, Leicestershire LE9 6PX. If you
email me (reply address is valid) I will send you his phone numbers etc.
He has just done an excellent job of taking 11 rings off each of our 40
year old Boythorpes, put in roof ventilators so we can cool the dry corn
we now put in the silos, and built a third silo with the best of the
spare sheets. He has done repairs for us in the past. Highly
recommended.
--
Stephen Temple
J F Temple & Son Ltd., New Farm,
Wells-next-the-sea, Norfolk NR23 1NE, UK

regards


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Tim Lamb

Hamish

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Jun 25, 2004, 12:04:12 PM6/25/04
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"Tim Lamb" <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bQA2KDAKF02AFwo$@marford.demon.co.uk...

>
> Oz is your man for outdoor round bins but I think he is busy at the
> moment.
>


Oz and Jim off-line at the same time, I sense a conspiracy.


Howard Neil

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:13:20 PM6/25/04
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Rain management seminar? :-)

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Pat Gardiner

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:42:55 PM6/25/04
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"Hamish" <bud...@hikyaku.com> wrote in message
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Alas, not a conspiracy, just a blessed relief.

In the case of Jim, the poor machine simply overheated from an oversupply of
one liners. I intend to take full totally unfair advantage.

By the way, many of you will recall a heated exchange about insurance for
FMD...many moons ago. Jim said it was impossible....pity he did not tello
Defra.

More on this later.

Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go.self-sufficient.com


Hamish

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:57:58 PM6/25/04
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"Howard Neil" <hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
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You mean Jim understands how the 'On' switch works and Oz the 'Off'


David G. Bell

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Jun 25, 2004, 2:03:40 PM6/25/04
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On Friday, in article
<o2ZCc.21548$NK4.3...@stones.force9.net>
hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk "Howard Neil" wrote:

Don't worry, I'm not involved.

Yet....


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Linda Sutherland

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Jun 25, 2004, 3:52:46 PM6/25/04
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In message <cbhp37$1hm$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk>
"Hamish" <bud...@hikyaku.com>wrote:

Then yesterday was Jim's turn, today Oz's, tomorrow it looks like being
Jim's turn again ... :-(

Can't someone please fix that computer of his, so's he doesn't have so
much time to spend holding the rain tap open? Please?

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Howard Neil

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Jun 25, 2004, 5:02:43 PM6/25/04
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That's it. They have probably met somewhere in the Midlands to exchange
information.

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David G. Bell

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Jun 25, 2004, 6:56:02 PM6/25/04
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On Friday, in article
<wp0Dc.21605$NK4.3...@stones.force9.net>
hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk "Howard Neil" wrote:

Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
Glastonbury to bidding against each other.

Hamish

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Jun 26, 2004, 3:35:16 AM6/26/04
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""David G. Bell"" <db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:20040625.22...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk...

.
>
> Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
> Glastonbury to bidding against each other.
>


It is traditional to rain at Glastonbury. It reminds you of the optimism
of youth when you see a 6ft mud tower with two eyes
showing trying to thumb a lift.


Jane Gillett

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Jun 26, 2004, 2:52:01 AM6/26/04
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In article <cbho6u$qjh$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Pat Gardiner <patga...@btinternet.com> wrote:

<snip>

> By the way, many of you will recall a heated exchange about insurance for
> FMD...many moons ago. Jim said it was impossible....pity he did not tello
> Defra.

Pat....... Perhaps he did but you don't expect DEFRA to take account of
mere practicalities do you?

Cheers
Jane

> More on this later.

> Regards
> Pat Gardiner
> www.go.self-sufficient.com

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Jane G : j.gi...@stertfarm.co.uk : S Devon

Pat Bryant

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Jun 26, 2004, 8:48:45 AM6/26/04
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"Howard Neil" <hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
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Mmm they managed to send it my way!

Pat
(in wellies again)
>
> --
> Howard Neil


Linda Sutherland

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Jun 26, 2004, 9:21:30 AM6/26/04
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In message <cbjrbd$sbg$1...@titan.btinternet.com>
"Pat Bryant" <patrici...@btconnect.com>wrote:

They're spreading it around fairly even-handedly, worse luck. :-)

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Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 26, 2004, 10:17:00 AM6/26/04
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In article <wp0Dc.21605$NK4.3...@stones.force9.net>,
hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk (Howard Neil) wrote:

> > You mean Jim understands how the 'On' switch works and Oz the 'Off'
> >
> >
> That's it. They have probably met somewhere in the Midlands to exchange
> information.

Now /that/ does explain the weather over the past 48hrs....


Steve Rawlings

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Jill

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Jun 26, 2004, 10:16:31 AM6/26/04
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"Pat Bryant" <patrici...@btconnect.com> wrote in message

#> > Rain management seminar? :-)


>
> Mmm they managed to send it my way!
>
> Pat
> (in wellies again)

and here
just in from a soggy FArmers Market
squelch
;~)

--
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Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks; Housing; Books, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Holidays in Scotland and Wales
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Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 26, 2004, 11:23:00 AM6/26/04
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In article <200406261...@zetnet.co.uk>,
linda.su...@zetnet.co.uk (Linda Sutherland) wrote:

> Mmm they managed to send it my way!
>
> They're spreading it around fairly even-handedly, worse luck. :-)

Too right. A much larger % of my Pict barley that I like, is residing
about 6" off the floor at present, feeding numerous local pigeons. I
suppose it will kickstart the aftermaths and may even allow some 2nd cut
silage for some folks. I suspect 3rds are out of the window by now...


Steve Rawlings

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Howard Neil

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Jun 26, 2004, 11:38:26 AM6/26/04
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David G. Bell wrote:
> On Friday, in article
> <wp0Dc.21605$NK4.3...@stones.force9.net>
> hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk "Howard Neil" wrote:
>
>
>>Hamish wrote:
>>
>>>"Howard Neil" <hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:o2ZCc.21548$NK4.3...@stones.force9.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hamish wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Tim Lamb" <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>news:bQA2KDAKF02AFwo$@marford.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Oz is your man for outdoor round bins but I think he is busy at the
>>>>>>moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oz and Jim off-line at the same time, I sense a conspiracy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rain management seminar? :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>You mean Jim understands how the 'On' switch works and Oz the 'Off'
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That's it. They have probably met somewhere in the Midlands to exchange
>>information.
>
>
> Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
> Glastonbury to bidding against each other.
>
>
You may have something there. Perhaps they have devised their own
protection racket. Jim visits those locations, causing the rain. Then Oz
offers to take over to bring dry weather. :-)

--
Howard Neil

Huw

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Jun 26, 2004, 12:25:51 PM6/26/04
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Oh dear me Pat! You really are a bit dense arn't you.
When there is little risk then insurance is available for partial loss
but at a high cost. When there is actual FMD the there is no
possibility of getting insured.
A whole lot of farmers have insurance for FMD which covers the
difference between the Government compo and market value or a fixed
payment per animal. Full and comprehensive cover is not affordable by
UK livestock farmers and is never likely to be.
It is a high risk business with low returns, nowhere near comensurate
with the risk. At present there are plenty of fools wanting to take on
those risks. One day they will wake up and see the light and want a
better quality of life doing something more profitable.

It is ultimately up to the Government and the EU whether it wants a
viable livestock food business here in the UK. At present, everyone
bar the producer is happy for income to just barely cover costs in a
good year, to maintain a cheap food policy. Many want even cheaper
food and may get it. But not from the UK.

It is ironic that nowadays there are a whole raft of people who claim
to be experts and authorities on food production and the environment.
Few of these actually produce food in our environment.

Huw


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Peter Duncanson

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Jun 26, 2004, 2:18:07 PM6/26/04
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:04:42 +0100, Denis F <zwarn...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:02 +0100 (BST), in
><20040625.22...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk>,


>db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
>>Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
>>Glastonbury to bidding against each other.
>

> or maybe Oz has just gone to Glastonbury ?

Surely not - Glastonbury has had rain.

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UK

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Tim Lamb

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Jun 26, 2004, 2:20:42 PM6/26/04
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In article <memo.2004062...@scr.cix.co.uk>, Steve Rawlings.
www.dexterbeef.co.uk <sraw...@cix.co.uk> writes

Ditto my Antonia:-(

Crops lady's advice on Barley fert. was a bit higher than I usually
apply but the real error was trying to cheer up the rabbity bits.

Siberia OK at the moment.

Those wondering why the forecast suddenly changed from one wet day in
the week to one dry day may like to blame my mower temporarily mounted
on a tractor. I was only moving it to create some space; honest!

regards

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Tim Lamb

Oz

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Jun 26, 2004, 5:52:48 PM6/26/04
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Denis F <zwarn...@yahoo.co.uk> writes

>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:02 +0100 (BST), in
><20040625.22...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk>,
>db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
>>Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
>>Glastonbury to bidding against each other.
>
> or maybe Oz has just gone to Glastonbury ?

Young Oz has ...

Me.... ohhh, I wish... I wish ....

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BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.
>>Use o...@farmeroz.port995.com (whitelist check on first posting)<<

Howard Neil

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Jun 27, 2004, 5:53:23 AM6/27/04
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Oz wrote:

> Denis F <zwarn...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:56:02 +0100 (BST), in
>><20040625.22...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk>,
>>db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oz is diversifying, but maybe he shouldn't have set Wimbledon and
>>>Glastonbury to bidding against each other.
>>
>>or maybe Oz has just gone to Glastonbury ?
>
>
> Young Oz has ...
>
> Me.... ohhh, I wish... I wish ....
>

Did he go for the music or just to see what rain looked like? :-)

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Oz

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Jun 27, 2004, 7:07:33 AM6/27/04
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Howard Neil <hn...@REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> writes

>>>or maybe Oz has just gone to Glastonbury ?
>>
>>
>> Young Oz has ...
>>
>> Me.... ohhh, I wish... I wish ....
>>
>Did he go for the music or just to see what rain looked like? :-)

Its probably best not to ask.

Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 27, 2004, 9:33:00 AM6/27/04
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In article <n$NJRAA65...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
(Tim Lamb) wrote:

>
> Siberia OK at the moment.

How dis Saturday suit it?


>
> Those wondering why the forecast suddenly changed from one wet day in
> the week to one dry day may like to blame my mower temporarily mounted
> on a tractor. I was only moving it to create some space; honest!

Hmmmm, sounds like my neighbour. He gets the mower out to cut hay,
everyone in the area rushes for cover.

However, I got it wrong this time. Ssaid neighbour started to cut grass
2-3 weeks ago, Steve in his infinite wisdom decided to leave mowing for a
day or two and lo, the Sun came out and it shone and shone and much good
hay was made. It turned out the the neighbour had sold a cut of grass and
it wasn't him cutting the hay! :-(

Steve Rawlings

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Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 27, 2004, 11:16:00 AM6/27/04
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In article <2pISi1B1...@farmeroz.port995.com>,
o...@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote:

> > Me.... ohhh, I wish... I wish ....
> >>
> >Did he go for the music or just to see what rain looked like? :-)
>
> Its probably best not to ask.

I loved the definition of youthful optimism seen on cix over the weekend.

A 6' muddy tower with two eyes on top, hitching a lift from Glastonbury on
the Sunday evening...


Steve Rawlings

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Oz

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Jun 27, 2004, 1:33:31 PM6/27/04
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Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk <sraw...@cix.co.uk> writes
>In article <n$NJRAA65...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
>(Tim Lamb) wrote:
>
>>
>> Siberia OK at the moment.
>
>How dis Saturday suit it?

Mine is OK (downs), other than a 6m strip round the headland, probably
an initial miscalibration of spreader.

Haven't checked the lush and thick (baaaad) crop on blackland, but I few
the worst. Some wheat down locally too.

Tim Lamb

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Jun 27, 2004, 5:34:38 PM6/27/04
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>In article <n$NJRAA65...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk

>(Tim Lamb) wrote:
>
>>
>> Siberia OK at the moment.
>
>How dis Saturday suit it?

Still OK. It had a bit of Chlormequat early on.

regards

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Tim Lamb

Oz

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Jun 27, 2004, 6:22:00 PM6/27/04
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Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes

<hic>
<post glastorbury recoreded thingummmieies>

Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.

Yopu shpoluld join tag (arc as waes>

<hic>

sarah

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Jun 28, 2004, 2:26:31 AM6/28/04
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Oz <o...@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote:

> Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes
> >In article <memo.2004062...@scr.cix.co.uk>, Steve Rawlings.
> >www.dexterbeef.co.uk <sraw...@cix.co.uk> writes
> >
> >>In article <n$NJRAA65...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
> >>(Tim Lamb) wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Siberia OK at the moment.
> >>
> >>How dis Saturday suit it?
> >
> >Still OK. It had a bit of Chlormequat early on.
>
> <hic>
> <post glastorbury recoreded thingummmieies>
>
> Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
> definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.
>
> Yopu shpoluld join tag (arc as waes>
>
> <hic>

Crumbs. We've been watching the Glastonbury coverage (with tv sound
switched through the stereo), but it didn't have that effect on us.

regards
sarah


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Think of it as evolution in action :-)

Oz

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Jun 28, 2004, 3:06:14 AM6/28/04
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sarah <sa...@colddrake.co.uk> writes

>Oz <o...@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote:
>
>> <hic>
>> <post glastorbury recoreded thingummmieies>
>>
>> Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
>> definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.
>>
>> Yopu shpoluld join tag (arc as waes>
>>
>> <hic>
>
>Crumbs. We've been watching the Glastonbury coverage (with tv sound
>switched through the stereo),

Yup.
That way you get superb stereo and adequate volume for immersion.

>but it didn't have that effect on us.

You may not have imbibed the two bottles of wine as well.....

Tim Lamb

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Jun 28, 2004, 3:28:03 AM6/28/04
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In article <wmnjRCFI...@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz
<o...@farmeroz.port995.com> writes

>Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <memo.2004062...@scr.cix.co.uk>, Steve Rawlings.
>>www.dexterbeef.co.uk <sraw...@cix.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>In article <n$NJRAA65...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
>>>(Tim Lamb) wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Siberia OK at the moment.
>>>
>>>How dis Saturday suit it?
>>
>>Still OK. It had a bit of Chlormequat early on.
>
><hic>
><post glastorbury recoreded thingummmieies>
>
>Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
>definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.

This was considered at the time. Last year Terpal with only a sniff of
CCC.

regards

--
Tim Lamb

sarah

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Jun 28, 2004, 3:18:58 PM6/28/04
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Oz <o...@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote:

> sarah <sa...@colddrake.co.uk> writes
> >Oz <o...@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote:
> >
> >> <hic>
> >> <post glastorbury recoreded thingummmieies>
> >>
> >> Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
> >> definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.
> >>
> >> Yopu shpoluld join tag (arc as waes>
> >>
> >> <hic>
> >
> >Crumbs. We've been watching the Glastonbury coverage (with tv sound
> >switched through the stereo),
>
> Yup.
> That way you get superb stereo and adequate volume for immersion.

Immersion is a good word. We didn't hear the pub's live music at all on
Friday evening, immersed as we were in Glastonbury :-)

> >but it didn't have that effect on us.
>
> You may not have imbibed the two bottles of wine as well...

One was sufficient, especially when testing a new pizza recipe.
I commend _American Pie_ by Peter Reinhart to anyone who's seriously
interested in pizza -- and not just the American versions thereof.

Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 29, 2004, 3:21:00 AM6/29/04
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>
> Not trecommended. best no CCC (excessive tillering) but
> definitiveklibublbly <hoc> terpal.
>
> Yopu shpoluld join tag (arc as waes>
>
> <hic>
Much too late with Terpal here as the weather was so crap... :-(
>

Steve Rawlings

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Oz

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Jun 29, 2004, 3:27:53 AM6/29/04
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Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk <sraw...@cix.co.uk> writes
>
>>

I have plucked up courage to look at siberia on the fen.

A fine crop, if a tad tall despite terpal.

Is totally completely and utterly flat.
The technical description for this is 'steamrollered'.

Basically the light fen did not provide enough structural integrity for
the roots, and it fell over roots and all.

<sigh>

Luckily only 35ac.

Will be near impossible to combine, and roundup pre-harvest will be
essential. Even then I doubt the bushel will be high enough for
saleability.

NB Yesterday rape all over the area went over. Including mine.
Inexplicable as it wasn't that windy and (of course) didn't rain.
The rape attachment will pay for itself again.

Tim Lamb

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Jun 29, 2004, 3:53:46 AM6/29/04
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In article <NQ0MsiK5...@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz
<o...@farmeroz.port995.com> writes

>I have plucked up courage to look at siberia on the fen.
>
>A fine crop, if a tad tall despite terpal.
>
>Is totally completely and utterly flat.
>The technical description for this is 'steamrollered'.
>
>Basically the light fen did not provide enough structural integrity for
>the roots, and it fell over roots and all.
>
><sigh>
>
>Luckily only 35ac.
>
>Will be near impossible to combine, and roundup pre-harvest will be
>essential. Even then I doubt the bushel will be high enough for
>saleability.

Companionship in misfortune does not put money in the bank but consider
those who will be ploughing up flints as they try to get under laid 2
rows.

I have always blended Siberia at loading but the usual (horsefeed)
outlet is not critical and the specific weight OK anyway.


>
>NB Yesterday rape all over the area went over. Including mine.
>Inexplicable as it wasn't that windy and (of course) didn't rain.
>The rape attachment will pay for itself again.

Hmm.. I am constantly reminded how wise I am not to grow the stuff!

Any thoughts on a replacement for Consort?

regards
>

--
Tim Lamb

Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 29, 2004, 6:30:00 AM6/29/04
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In article <NQ0MsiK5...@farmeroz.port995.com>,
o...@farmeroz.port995.com (Oz) wrote:

> Basically the light fen did not provide enough structural integrity for
> the roots, and it fell over roots and all.
>
> <sigh>
>
> Luckily only 35ac.
>
> Will be near impossible to combine, and roundup pre-harvest will be
> essential. Even then I doubt the bushel will be high enough for
> saleability.

Clamp it??

I am having the pre-harvest seed check on my barley crops and will make a
decision on roundup etc then :-(


Steve Rawlings

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Oz

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Jun 29, 2004, 6:54:46 AM6/29/04
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Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes

>>Oz on steamroller barley


>>Will be near impossible to combine, and roundup pre-harvest will be
>>essential. Even then I doubt the bushel will be high enough for
>>saleability.
>
>Companionship in misfortune does not put money in the bank but consider
>those who will be ploughing up flints as they try to get under laid 2
>rows.

Consider those trying to do same on pushy fen soil....

>I have always blended Siberia at loading but the usual (horsefeed)
>outlet is not critical and the specific weight OK anyway.

Combined fit and dry (say under 15%) on a standing crop has got me
67kg/hl reliably. In damp conditins 58kg/hl is but a pipedream.

>>NB Yesterday rape all over the area went over. Including mine.
>>Inexplicable as it wasn't that windy and (of course) didn't rain.
>>The rape attachment will pay for itself again.
>
>Hmm.. I am constantly reminded how wise I am not to grow the stuff!
>
>Any thoughts on a replacement for Consort?

Haven't grown it for years.

What are the requirements?

Tim Lamb

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Jun 29, 2004, 4:57:33 PM6/29/04
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In article <Fl3eR6K2...@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz
<o...@farmeroz.port995.com> writes

>>Any thoughts on a replacement for Consort?
>
>Haven't grown it for years.
>
>What are the requirements?

group 3, feed with a hope of biscuit, reasonable 2nd wheat yield, not
too quick in the autumn to allow for early planting at reduced seed
rate. Available as C2 seed, disease resistance to offset loss of
strobs, reasonable standing power to minimise pgr's, .......

I must have a look through the HGCA CD. Discussing varieties with crops
lady turned up some facts not necessarily obvious from the listings;
particularly performance as a second wheat.

I suppose it may suit me as an owner occupier with no paid labour to opt
for the set-aside/first wheat rotation.

regards
>

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Oz

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Jun 30, 2004, 3:23:48 AM6/30/04
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Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes

>group 3, feed with a hope of biscuit, reasonable 2nd wheat yield, not
>too quick in the autumn to allow for early planting at reduced seed
>rate.

I have been growing napier in this slot although a hard and somewhat
suspect in straw strength.

Will be switching to welford, very stiff, blossom midge resistant,
decent yield.

Both in my seed plots along with access and a napier sib whose name I
forget.

>Available as C2 seed, disease resistance to offset loss of
>strobs, reasonable standing power to minimise pgr's, .......

I am using bravo and a T0 as previously described.

>I must have a look through the HGCA CD. Discussing varieties with crops
>lady turned up some facts not necessarily obvious from the listings;
>particularly performance as a second wheat.

Indeed. This has been done by arc/tag for years and years.

Mostly its some varieties that do *particularly* badly as a second.

>I suppose it may suit me as an owner occupier with no paid labour to opt
>for the set-aside/first wheat rotation.

Indeed. Throw in some rape from time to time as a cheap break too.

Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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Jun 30, 2004, 11:59:00 AM6/30/04
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In article <BJjg8HA9...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
(Tim Lamb) wrote:

> I suppose it may suit me as an owner occupier with no paid labour to opt
> for the set-aside/first wheat rotation.

Got ot make sense I would have thought. As a bonus, you will have the
perfect opportunity to "clean up" any problem weeds such as wild oats etc.


Steve Rawlings

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Tim Lamb

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Hmm.. set-aside is reckoned to be a *dirty crop* here. Lots of silly
things like groundsel catch crop between spraying and cultivations. It
rather depends if they are going to make us follow the existing set-
aside rules.

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Tim Lamb

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Jun 30, 2004, 6:05:17 PM6/30/04
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In article <g1rXVhAE...@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz
<o...@farmeroz.port995.com> writes

>Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>group 3, feed with a hope of biscuit, reasonable 2nd wheat yield, not
>>too quick in the autumn to allow for early planting at reduced seed
>>rate.
>
>I have been growing napier in this slot although a hard and somewhat
>suspect in straw strength.

The suggestions so far are:-

Robigus won't do biscuit, good on blossom midge, 1st wheat only.

Einstein good second wheat, dodgy market.

Claire 1st only

Deben OK for 2nd

The cereal buyer wants us all to grow Wizard!


>
>Will be switching to welford, very stiff, blossom midge resistant,
>decent yield.

I'll have to look it up.

>>I suppose it may suit me as an owner occupier with no paid labour to opt
>>for the set-aside/first wheat rotation.
>
>Indeed. Throw in some rape from time to time as a cheap break too.

The rape here has failed to germinate for the last two years. Anyway I
don't have a precision seed kit, time to plough and plant in August,
side knife for combine, pigeon scarers or any inclination to grow the
stuff!

regards
>

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Oz

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Jul 1, 2004, 12:42:03 AM7/1/04
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Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <g1rXVhAE...@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz
><o...@farmeroz.port995.com> writes
>>Tim Lamb <t...@marford.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>group 3, feed with a hope of biscuit, reasonable 2nd wheat yield, not
>>>too quick in the autumn to allow for early planting at reduced seed
>>>rate.
>>
>>I have been growing napier in this slot although a hard and somewhat
>>suspect in straw strength.
>
>The suggestions so far are:-

from memory

>
>Robigus won't do biscuit, good on blossom midge, 1st wheat only.

weak straw, must still spray for BM

>Einstein good second wheat, dodgy market.

One I looked at, I forget why I turned it down.

>Claire 1st only

Tendency to over-tiller, producing much straw, slow to combine, weak.

>Deben OK for 2nd

I forget.

>The cereal buyer wants us all to grow Wizard!

How much premium is he paying for a feed spec?

>>Will be switching to welford, very stiff, blossom midge resistant,
>>decent yield.
>
>I'll have to look it up.

Seed will be megabucks after this midge year.

>>>I suppose it may suit me as an owner occupier with no paid labour to opt
>>>for the set-aside/first wheat rotation.
>>
>>Indeed. Throw in some rape from time to time as a cheap break too.
>
>The rape here has failed to germinate for the last two years.

Ahh, heavy dry clay. Good point.

>Anyway I
>don't have a precision seed kit,

Que?

>time to plough and plant in August,

Not the best time for harvest and heavy clay....
Noting though you are overstaffed compared to me.

>side knife for combine, pigeon scarers or any inclination to grow the
>stuff!

A good enough set of reasons, these.

Steve Rawlings. www.dexterbeef.co.uk

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In article <9lkvHCAh...@marford.demon.co.uk>, t...@marford.demon.co.uk
(Tim Lamb) wrote:
>
> Hmm.. set-aside is reckoned to be a *dirty crop* here. Lots of silly
> things like groundsel catch crop between spraying and cultivations. It
> rather depends if they are going to make us follow the existing set-
> aside rules.
>
Oh I have no doubt that there will be another raft of silly rules on the
way... I favour a cover crop for just the reasons you mention and have had
groundsel and other probs in my fallow options too. However a
call/letter/email to the appropriate person will normally get a derogation
to spray a specific weed problem. Though I did hear of a DEFRA person who
wanted to know why a crop of ragwort should be controlled, though I
suspect I heard only part of the tale :-)

Steve Rawlings

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