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Pat Gardiner
May 20, 2013, 6:59:30 AM5/20/13
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PED Virus found in Iowa hog population
Reuters reports a �new� pig disease, PEDV, porcine epidemic diarrhoea,
hitting Iowa.
The disease is common elsewhere, but hitherto the Americas have been
clear.
It raises some interesting comparisons with the British handling of
continuous, and continuing, outbreaks and epidemics of animal and
zoonotic disease.
Many are of these are emerging diseases and new strains, especially,
although by no means exclusively,infect pigs, and more disturbingly,
sometimes people.
Britain and her government veterinarians have repeatedly handled such
incursions and outbreaks, by firstly, no doubt reasonably, saying that
they did not know the route of importation, coupled with a less
convincing assurance, that there is no risk to human health.
But, they also quickly make it clear that it came from overseas, the
word �foreign� usually appears, sometimes with a possible source.
Very soon, the economic consequences for the home industry are
expressed as dire and speculation on the method of arrival begins.
The most likely route of importation � legal imports of germplasm
(that�s live animals, semen or embryos) under veterinary control and
supervision is never mentioned or contemplated.
Any suggestion that it was imported by accident by veterinarians
arriving home from conferences abroad, often including visits to
foreign pig farms is missing from public pronouncements. Any chance
that it spreads domestically from farm to farm by veterinarians moving
about is ignored.
Yet illegal immigrants are quickly suggested by the farming media,
briefed by the veterinary industry, as a likely source, despite the
fact that the farmers usually legally employ the immigrant workers.
Foreign boots and hot breath become riskier than white boots, bio
suits and peppermint flavoured assurances.
Then somehow, the media gets hold of wilder theories: inadequate
import controls, lax border inspections, anything will do, however
unlikely. Preferably the government is to blame and must compensate
farmers for both losses and treatment.
Illegally imported infected meat is to blame. Although why anyone
would import such material is ignored, as is the route onto the farms
and to the livestock.
Co-infections flourish on even those animals sick with viruses, and
veterinarians feed antibiotics to fend off or treat. Antibiotic
resistance develops and flourishes.
Then as a solution, protectionism steps in to solve the falling farm
incomes and to protect public health from �foreign rubbish.� That
policy has the added bonus of increasing domestic prices.
Hang-on, we have been here before � the Great Depression. This time,
there is the added misery of antibiotic resistance seeping into the
hospitals.
You can see the picture developing in Iowa.
Let�s see if Iowa can break the mould and take a lesson from history.
You can read the Reuters' report in full here -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/17/usda-hogs-virus-idUSL2N0DY1ZL20130517
Virus found in Iowa hog population, possibly beyond.
--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release and independently audit the results of testing British pigs
for MRSA, C.Diff and Hepatitis E now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/
Reuters reports a �new� pig disease, PEDV, porcine epidemic diarrhoea,
hitting Iowa.
The disease is common elsewhere, but hitherto the Americas have been
clear.
It raises some interesting comparisons with the British handling of
continuous, and continuing, outbreaks and epidemics of animal and
zoonotic disease.
Many are of these are emerging diseases and new strains, especially,
although by no means exclusively,infect pigs, and more disturbingly,
sometimes people.
Britain and her government veterinarians have repeatedly handled such
incursions and outbreaks, by firstly, no doubt reasonably, saying that
they did not know the route of importation, coupled with a less
convincing assurance, that there is no risk to human health.
But, they also quickly make it clear that it came from overseas, the
word �foreign� usually appears, sometimes with a possible source.
Very soon, the economic consequences for the home industry are
expressed as dire and speculation on the method of arrival begins.
The most likely route of importation � legal imports of germplasm
(that�s live animals, semen or embryos) under veterinary control and
supervision is never mentioned or contemplated.
Any suggestion that it was imported by accident by veterinarians
arriving home from conferences abroad, often including visits to
foreign pig farms is missing from public pronouncements. Any chance
that it spreads domestically from farm to farm by veterinarians moving
about is ignored.
Yet illegal immigrants are quickly suggested by the farming media,
briefed by the veterinary industry, as a likely source, despite the
fact that the farmers usually legally employ the immigrant workers.
Foreign boots and hot breath become riskier than white boots, bio
suits and peppermint flavoured assurances.
Then somehow, the media gets hold of wilder theories: inadequate
import controls, lax border inspections, anything will do, however
unlikely. Preferably the government is to blame and must compensate
farmers for both losses and treatment.
Illegally imported infected meat is to blame. Although why anyone
would import such material is ignored, as is the route onto the farms
and to the livestock.
Co-infections flourish on even those animals sick with viruses, and
veterinarians feed antibiotics to fend off or treat. Antibiotic
resistance develops and flourishes.
Then as a solution, protectionism steps in to solve the falling farm
incomes and to protect public health from �foreign rubbish.� That
policy has the added bonus of increasing domestic prices.
Hang-on, we have been here before � the Great Depression. This time,
there is the added misery of antibiotic resistance seeping into the
hospitals.
You can see the picture developing in Iowa.
Let�s see if Iowa can break the mould and take a lesson from history.
You can read the Reuters' report in full here -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/17/usda-hogs-virus-idUSL2N0DY1ZL20130517
Virus found in Iowa hog population, possibly beyond.
--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release and independently audit the results of testing British pigs
for MRSA, C.Diff and Hepatitis E now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/
Malcolm
May 20, 2013, 1:59:24 PM5/20/13
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In article <8d0kp8lkmo14dgtfm...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
<pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>PED Virus found in Iowa hog population
>
Please note that this poster has just claimed that my "problems with the
>
Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just starting". I have asked him,
politely, to explain or justify this astonishing claim, not least
because I have had no dealings whatsoever at any time with the
"Edinburgh veterinary establishment", whatever he thinks that is.
Despite being asked a number of times, he has not taken the opportunity
to produce either an explanation or a justification, so I think it
necessary to suggest that everyone takes note that this poster is given
to making extraordinary and totally unbelievable claims that he invents,
and which are based on no known facts.
Indeed, his only response to my querying his astonishing claim is to
accuse me of harassing him, complete with his attempting to bully and
threaten me. While I feel that I should continue to ask him to explain
or justify his astonishing claim about me, it is fair to say that I am
getting more and more concerned about his mental state.
--
Malcolm
Pat Gardiner
May 20, 2013, 2:15:25 PM5/20/13
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Pat Gardiner
May 20, 2013, 5:15:19 PM5/20/13
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:05:34 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <e0qkp8939mc62skct...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <e0qkp8939mc62skct...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:59:24 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <8d0kp8lkmo14dgtfm...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>PED Virus found in Iowa hog population
>>>>
>>>Please note that this poster has just claimed that my "problems with the
>>>Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just starting". I have asked him,
>>>politely, to explain or justify this astonishing claim, not least
>>>because I have had no dealings whatsoever at any time with the
>>>"Edinburgh veterinary establishment", whatever he thinks that is.
>>>
>>>Despite being asked a number of times, he has not taken the opportunity
>>>to produce either an explanation or a justification, so I think it
>>>necessary to suggest that everyone takes note that this poster is given
>>>to making extraordinary and totally unbelievable claims that he invents,
>>>and which are based on no known facts.
>>>
>>>Indeed, his only response to my querying his astonishing claim is to
>>>accuse me of harassing him, complete with his attempting to bully and
>>>threaten me. While I feel that I should continue to ask him to explain
>>>or justify his astonishing claim about me, it is fair to say that I am
>>>getting more and more concerned about his mental state.
>>
>>Harassment noted (371) for lawyer's use.
>>
>Behaviour like this is not normal.
>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:59:24 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <8d0kp8lkmo14dgtfm...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>PED Virus found in Iowa hog population
>>>>
>>>Please note that this poster has just claimed that my "problems with the
>>>Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just starting". I have asked him,
>>>politely, to explain or justify this astonishing claim, not least
>>>because I have had no dealings whatsoever at any time with the
>>>"Edinburgh veterinary establishment", whatever he thinks that is.
>>>
>>>Despite being asked a number of times, he has not taken the opportunity
>>>to produce either an explanation or a justification, so I think it
>>>necessary to suggest that everyone takes note that this poster is given
>>>to making extraordinary and totally unbelievable claims that he invents,
>>>and which are based on no known facts.
>>>
>>>Indeed, his only response to my querying his astonishing claim is to
>>>accuse me of harassing him, complete with his attempting to bully and
>>>threaten me. While I feel that I should continue to ask him to explain
>>>or justify his astonishing claim about me, it is fair to say that I am
>>>getting more and more concerned about his mental state.
>>
>>Harassment noted (371) for lawyer's use.
>>
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Pat Gardiner
May 21, 2013, 4:57:03 AM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 07:25:44 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <ei4lp8heajufmcgaa...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>I find it difficult to believe that anyone in full command of their
>senses could come out with such a truly astonishing, indeed literally
>incredible, claim, which came completely out of the blue, that my
>then, when asked to explain or justify makiing such a claim, refuses to
>do so, despite being asked a number of times.
>
>So, when Pat made this claim, was he in full command of his senses, did
>he have a sudden brainstorm, indeed did he actually realise what he was
>writing?
>
>I require an explanation. And if Pat can't provide one, then I politely
>suggest he says so and withdraws the claim, complete with an apology.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <ei4lp8heajufmcgaa...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>senses could come out with such a truly astonishing, indeed literally
>incredible, claim, which came completely out of the blue, that my
>"problems with the Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just
>starting", when I have never had any connection with any such body, and
>then, when asked to explain or justify makiing such a claim, refuses to
>do so, despite being asked a number of times.
>
>So, when Pat made this claim, was he in full command of his senses, did
>he have a sudden brainstorm, indeed did he actually realise what he was
>writing?
>
>I require an explanation. And if Pat can't provide one, then I politely
>suggest he says so and withdraws the claim, complete with an apology.
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Pat Gardiner
May 21, 2013, 11:00:23 AM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 15:36:20 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <aldmp8pendjhstaqf...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>No, I didn't think you had the guts to withdraw your claim and apologise
>to me :-(
>
>You might now like to consider whether a lawyer (mine not yours) would
>regard your claim that my "problems with the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment are just starting" could be considered as harassment by
>you of me.
>
>Your move.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <aldmp8pendjhstaqf...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>to me :-(
>
>You might now like to consider whether a lawyer (mine not yours) would
>regard your claim that my "problems with the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment are just starting" could be considered as harassment by
>you of me.
>
>Your move.
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Pat Gardiner
May 21, 2013, 12:22:44 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:03:47 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <jv2np8l7hjd32t7ag...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>Yes, your harassment of me.
>
>You've gone too far, Pat, with your wild and unsubstantiated claims
>about me. The one about my "problems with the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment are just starting" is by a long way not the first such
>claim, though it is among the top ten for ridiculousness and
>unbelievability, plus you've indulged in deliberate attempts at bullying
>and threatening me.
>
>I suggest you take a long hard look at what you've been posting about me
>and cease.
>
>You still have the choice of explaining or justifying this latest claim,
>or of withdrawing it and apologising. Let's see, again, what you are
>made of, and, of course, what every other reader will make of you.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <jv2np8l7hjd32t7ag...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>
>You've gone too far, Pat, with your wild and unsubstantiated claims
>about me. The one about my "problems with the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment are just starting" is by a long way not the first such
>claim, though it is among the top ten for ridiculousness and
>unbelievability, plus you've indulged in deliberate attempts at bullying
>and threatening me.
>
>I suggest you take a long hard look at what you've been posting about me
>and cease.
>
>You still have the choice of explaining or justifying this latest claim,
>or of withdrawing it and apologising. Let's see, again, what you are
>made of, and, of course, what every other reader will make of you.
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Pat Gardiner
May 21, 2013, 2:07:37 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 17:38:01 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <gp7np8he72h3h8t6k...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>Thank you for this confirmation that you are determined to make a
>complete fool of yourself - once more.
>
>It is apparently necessary to yet again remind readers of this newsgroup
>that you indulge in fantastic and imagined claims that you are unwilling
>either to withdraw when requested or to support with an iota of
>evidence.
>
>This clearly colours everything you have posted here hitherto and
>everything that you intend to post in the future. In view of your
>attitude to my request for you to withdraw your latest claim about me or
>to apologise for it, I guess I will have to continue to remind readers
>of this aspect of your character.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <gp7np8he72h3h8t6k...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>complete fool of yourself - once more.
>
>It is apparently necessary to yet again remind readers of this newsgroup
>that you indulge in fantastic and imagined claims that you are unwilling
>either to withdraw when requested or to support with an iota of
>evidence.
>
>This clearly colours everything you have posted here hitherto and
>everything that you intend to post in the future. In view of your
>attitude to my request for you to withdraw your latest claim about me or
>to apologise for it, I guess I will have to continue to remind readers
>of this aspect of your character.
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Pat Gardiner
May 21, 2013, 3:17:04 PM5/21/13
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On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:08:47 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <6udnp85jqill9cfej...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who for the last
>12 years has been telling lies, defaming people and making claims for
>which he cannot produce evidence.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <6udnp85jqill9cfej...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>12 years has been telling lies, defaming people and making claims for
>which he cannot produce evidence.
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Old Codger
May 21, 2013, 4:57:58 PM5/21/13
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You have tried to convince us that you were a business man with some
legal knowledge and then you repeatedly (over 380 times) write the above
nonsense which even the village idiot would recognise a nonsense.
--
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field
What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 3:53:54 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:54:27 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <80inp8p5hpe3pn5n8...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <80inp8p5hpe3pn5n8...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>
>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (374) for lawyer's use.
>>>>>>Harassment noted (375) for lawyer's use.
>>>>Harassment noted (376) for lawyer's use.
>>Harassment noted (377) for lawyer's use.
>>
>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who for the last
>12 years has been telling lies, defaming people and making claims for
>which he cannot produce evidence.
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>>
>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who for the last
>12 years has been telling lies, defaming people and making claims for
>which he cannot produce evidence.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 4:56:30 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:46:15 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <1cuop8th5pjm9tc65...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>truly fantastic and unbelievable claim about me, saying that my
>I have never had anything to do with "the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment", whatever he thinks that is, he has refused to do so.
>
>I shall continue to request an explanation, as I do not see why anyone
>should be allowed to make such a claim about me on a public newsgroup
>and then not say why he made the claim and exactly what he meant by it.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <1cuop8th5pjm9tc65...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
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>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who has made a
>>
>truly fantastic and unbelievable claim about me, saying that my
>"problems with the Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just
>starting". When I requested him as to explain what he meant by that, as
>I have never had anything to do with "the Edinburgh veterinary
>establishment", whatever he thinks that is, he has refused to do so.
>
>I shall continue to request an explanation, as I do not see why anyone
>should be allowed to make such a claim about me on a public newsgroup
>and then not say why he made the claim and exactly what he meant by it.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 5:58:22 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:25:10 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <c12pp8lh5j6b49via...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>you harassed me with your claim.
>
>Kindly explain yourself or apologise.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <c12pp8lh5j6b49via...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:46:15 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <1cuop8th5pjm9tc65...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
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>>>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who has made a
>>>truly fantastic and unbelievable claim about me, saying that my
>>>"problems with the Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just
>>>starting". When I requested him as to explain what he meant by that, as
>>>I have never had anything to do with "the Edinburgh veterinary
>>>establishment", whatever he thinks that is, he has refused to do so.
>>>
>>>I shall continue to request an explanation, as I do not see why anyone
>>>should be allowed to make such a claim about me on a public newsgroup
>>>and then not say why he made the claim and exactly what he meant by it.
>>
>>Harassment noted (379) for lawyer's use.
>>
>That was not "harassment", that was a request for an explanation of why
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:46:15 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <1cuop8th5pjm9tc65...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
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>>>>
>>>Dear readers, the writer of this post is Pat Gardiner who has made a
>>>truly fantastic and unbelievable claim about me, saying that my
>>>"problems with the Edinburgh veterinary establishment are just
>>>starting". When I requested him as to explain what he meant by that, as
>>>I have never had anything to do with "the Edinburgh veterinary
>>>establishment", whatever he thinks that is, he has refused to do so.
>>>
>>>I shall continue to request an explanation, as I do not see why anyone
>>>should be allowed to make such a claim about me on a public newsgroup
>>>and then not say why he made the claim and exactly what he meant by it.
>>
>>Harassment noted (379) for lawyer's use.
>>
>you harassed me with your claim.
>
>Kindly explain yourself or apologise.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 10:37:49 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:48:04 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <al5pp89gai64c8prv...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>You're going to have to answer my request one day, Pat, by either
>explaining or apologising, so why not do so now?
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <al5pp89gai64c8prv...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>explaining or apologising, so why not do so now?
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 11:23:53 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:53:22 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <v0mpp8plh6r795ke0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>That is not a satisfactory answer, Pat.
>
>You have made a very serious claim involving me and I require you to
>provide an explanation of it or an apology withdrawing it.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <v0mpp8plh6r795ke0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>
>You have made a very serious claim involving me and I require you to
>provide an explanation of it or an apology withdrawing it.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 12:36:03 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:12:30 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <vmopp8ho2flh4gfl6...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>Oh dear :-(
>
>You're behaving like a complete fool.
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<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <vmopp8ho2flh4gfl6...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>
>You're behaving like a complete fool.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 2:14:09 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:58:22 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>In article <quspp81cm7r1qlla7...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <quspp81cm7r1qlla7...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harassment noted (373) for lawyer's use.
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Old Codger
May 22, 2013, 2:46:03 PM5/22/13
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On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>
> In article <vmopp8ho2flh4gfl6...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>
> In article <vmopp8ho2flh4gfl6...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
> Oh dear :-(
>
> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>
He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>
> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>
to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 3:25:32 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
conspiracy.
wrote:
conspiracy.
Old Codger
May 22, 2013, 4:27:46 PM5/22/13
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That just shows how much law you really do know.
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Pat Gardiner
May 22, 2013, 5:15:25 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>ROFL!!
Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
Malcolm
May 23, 2013, 2:18:34 AM5/23/13
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In article <radqp85qtg1jf9dj0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
<pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>
>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>
>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>conspiracy.
>>>
>>ROFL!!
>
>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>
You fatuous oaf.
>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>
>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>
>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>conspiracy.
>>>
>>ROFL!!
>
>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>
Laughing isn't "harassment", not even laughing at someone's stupidity
which is what I was doing.
--
Malcolm
Pat Gardiner
May 23, 2013, 4:36:53 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:18:34 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <radqp85qtg1jf9dj0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>>
>>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>>conspiracy.
>>>>
>>>ROFL!!
>>
>>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>>
>You fatuous oaf.
>
>Laughing isn't "harassment", not even laughing at someone's stupidity
>which is what I was doing.
Harassment noted (386) for lawyer's use.
>
>In article <radqp85qtg1jf9dj0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>>
>>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>>conspiracy.
>>>>
>>>ROFL!!
>>
>>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>>
>You fatuous oaf.
>
>Laughing isn't "harassment", not even laughing at someone's stupidity
>which is what I was doing.
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Pat Gardiner
May 23, 2013, 5:22:04 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:07:53 +0100, Malcolm
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <d8lrp81vsh1lcmbeh...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
Harassment noted (387) for lawyer's use.
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>In article <d8lrp81vsh1lcmbeh...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:18:34 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <radqp85qtg1jf9dj0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
>>>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>>>>conspiracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>ROFL!!
>>>>
>>>>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>>>>
>>>You fatuous oaf.
>>>
>>>Laughing isn't "harassment", not even laughing at someone's stupidity
>>>which is what I was doing.
>>
>>Harassment noted (386) for lawyer's use.
>>
>Are you sure you all right?
>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:18:34 +0100, Malcolm
>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <radqp85qtg1jf9dj0...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:54:04 +0100, Malcolm
>>>><Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In article <1p6qp891rudf9ia4d...@4ax.com>, Pat Gardiner
>>>>><pat.ga...@removeremovelive.co.uk> writes
>>>>>>On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:46:03 +0100, Old Codger <m...@privacy.net>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 22/05/2013 17:12, Malcolm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh dear :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're behaving like a complete fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He is a complete fool Malcolm and he expects us to believe that he used
>>>>>>>to be a successful business man. Unbelievable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, there you are: you could not get much clearer evidence of
>>>>>>conspiracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>ROFL!!
>>>>
>>>>Harassment noted (385) for lawyer's use.
>>>>
>>>You fatuous oaf.
>>>
>>>Laughing isn't "harassment", not even laughing at someone's stupidity
>>>which is what I was doing.
>>
>>Harassment noted (386) for lawyer's use.
>>
Harassment noted (387) for lawyer's use.
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