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john west
Jun 23, 2018, 2:31:08 PM6/23/18
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I had a stamp stuck on an envelope that was not Franked and so thought
had never been used. So i cut around it and stuck it to a new envelope
and posted it. but i got a note from the post office that i needed to go
in and pay extra.
As an experiment i used a stamp that i knew for sure had never been used
but had been stuck on an envelope. So i again cut around it and posted
it to myself and it arrived.
Does the post office have some way of detecting if a stamp had been used
through royal mail even though there is no visible sign of Frank Marks?
had never been used. So i cut around it and stuck it to a new envelope
and posted it. but i got a note from the post office that i needed to go
in and pay extra.
As an experiment i used a stamp that i knew for sure had never been used
but had been stuck on an envelope. So i again cut around it and posted
it to myself and it arrived.
Does the post office have some way of detecting if a stamp had been used
through royal mail even though there is no visible sign of Frank Marks?
Fredxx
Jun 23, 2018, 2:50:10 PM6/23/18
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Some time ago I reused a DVD case by putting a stamp on an inner sleeve,
which then could be wiped clean after every use!
Nightjar
Jun 23, 2018, 2:50:49 PM6/23/18
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On 23/06/2018 19:31, john west wrote:
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Andy Burns
Jun 23, 2018, 3:04:32 PM6/23/18
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Fredxx wrote:
> john west wrote:
>
>> Does the post office have some way of detecting if a stamp had been
>> used through royal mail even though there is no visible sign of Frank
>> Marks?
>
> I thought they used UV spots over the stamp to cancel it.
I have some vague re-collection of that too.
> john west wrote:
>
>> Does the post office have some way of detecting if a stamp had been
>> used through royal mail even though there is no visible sign of Frank
>> Marks?
>
> I thought they used UV spots over the stamp to cancel it.
ss
Jun 23, 2018, 3:46:28 PM6/23/18
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causing the issue.....
quote....
"I have tried this on a stamp to check the results. You spray a little
WD40 on the back of the paper the stamp is stuck to. When the paper
starts to go translucent you gently ease the stamp of the paper, drop
the stamp on a little talcum powder to dry it off. "
alan_m
Jun 23, 2018, 10:34:57 PM6/23/18
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prevent fraud. The royal mail suggests that that they can detect stamps
that have been washed (franking removed) by the degradation in this
phosphor. In this case the stamp hadn't been washed.
Could it have been been the wrong postage amount for the size of the
envelope that resulted in the additional payment rather than the reuse
of a stamp?
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Brian Gaff
Jun 24, 2018, 2:55:26 AM6/24/18
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Well you just proved that they do.
I bet your name is on their dodgy persons list now.
The obvious thing is to franc with a sort of ink that glows in UV this will
then not obscure the wonderful pictures on stamps.
It also means that its harder for the public to know if its been sitting
around in a post office sack for weeks. I'm not a fan of Royal Mail at the
moment, They are pretty poor at getting things reliably to where they are
going in a timely manner.
Brian
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I bet your name is on their dodgy persons list now.
The obvious thing is to franc with a sort of ink that glows in UV this will
then not obscure the wonderful pictures on stamps.
It also means that its harder for the public to know if its been sitting
around in a post office sack for weeks. I'm not a fan of Royal Mail at the
moment, They are pretty poor at getting things reliably to where they are
going in a timely manner.
Brian
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Brian Gaff
Jun 24, 2018, 3:00:20 AM6/24/18
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Some nut at the post office in a sw London town had a bit of a fit some
weeks ago and started sticking post paid stickers over the windows in our
reusable pouches even though they were Articles for the Blind free post. The
meant that the pouch was no longer reusable without a lot of work by our
volunteers getting the glue and bits of paper off the pouch so we could
remove the address label to turn it back to outgoing. I'm sure the person
meant well, covering up the slot where the label could be removed but had
not thought it through. Needless to say we had a moan as there were 12
pouches to clean and it took hours, Each pouch costs a fiver after all.
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weeks ago and started sticking post paid stickers over the windows in our
reusable pouches even though they were Articles for the Blind free post. The
meant that the pouch was no longer reusable without a lot of work by our
volunteers getting the glue and bits of paper off the pouch so we could
remove the address label to turn it back to outgoing. I'm sure the person
meant well, covering up the slot where the label could be removed but had
not thought it through. Needless to say we had a moan as there were 12
pouches to clean and it took hours, Each pouch costs a fiver after all.
Brian
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ARW
Jun 24, 2018, 3:54:42 AM6/24/18
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On 23/06/2018 19:31, john west wrote:
> I had a stamp stuck on an envelope that was not Franked and so thought
> had never been used. So i cut around it and stuck it to a new envelope
> and posted it.
You are tighter than a Yorkshireman:-)
> had never been used. So i cut around it and stuck it to a new envelope
> and posted it.
Are you a Scot?
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Max Demian
Jun 24, 2018, 6:21:46 AM6/24/18
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On 24/06/2018 08:00, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Some nut at the post office in a sw London town had a bit of a fit some
> weeks ago and started sticking post paid stickers over the windows in our
> reusable pouches even though they were Articles for the Blind free post. The
> meant that the pouch was no longer reusable without a lot of work by our
> volunteers getting the glue and bits of paper off the pouch so we could
> remove the address label to turn it back to outgoing. I'm sure the person
> meant well, covering up the slot where the label could be removed but had
> not thought it through. Needless to say we had a moan as there were 12
> pouches to clean and it took hours, Each pouch costs a fiver after all.
You have pouches? That sound rather grand: like diplomatic pouches.
> Some nut at the post office in a sw London town had a bit of a fit some
> weeks ago and started sticking post paid stickers over the windows in our
> reusable pouches even though they were Articles for the Blind free post. The
> meant that the pouch was no longer reusable without a lot of work by our
> volunteers getting the glue and bits of paper off the pouch so we could
> remove the address label to turn it back to outgoing. I'm sure the person
> meant well, covering up the slot where the label could be removed but had
> not thought it through. Needless to say we had a moan as there were 12
> pouches to clean and it took hours, Each pouch costs a fiver after all.
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FMurtz
Jun 25, 2018, 1:24:08 AM6/25/18
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Rod Speed
Jun 25, 2018, 1:53:16 AM6/25/18
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FMurtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote
Wont help given that they use fluorescent dots to indicate
that its franked and easy to see the fluorescent dots yourself.
that its franked and easy to see the fluorescent dots yourself.
Nightjar
Jun 25, 2018, 3:53:05 AM6/25/18
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ones.
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Peeler
Jun 25, 2018, 4:34:33 AM6/25/18
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:53:03 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:
>
>> Steam them off don't cut around.
>
> Wont help given that they use fluorescent dots to indicate
> that its franked and easy to see the fluorescent dots yourself.
You know that HOW, Rot ...given that you neither live in the UK, nor saw the
stamp, nor have any dealings with the Royal Mail, but live in far away
Ozzieland? <BG>
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again:
>
>> Steam them off don't cut around.
>
> Wont help given that they use fluorescent dots to indicate
> that its franked and easy to see the fluorescent dots yourself.
stamp, nor have any dealings with the Royal Mail, but live in far away
Ozzieland? <BG>
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Byron Mccorbie
Sep 11, 2021, 5:15:06 PM9/11/21
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Solvents like lighter fuel and white spirits applied to the back, or around the stamp on the paper that the stamp is stuck on.. (or around and on top of stamp if its on thick card)... ease off with a thin butter knife, dry face down on kitchen roll/tissue with the cutouts horizontal... store on grease proof paper.. use a glue stick when reapplying.
Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been used/franked and the sender is rumbled. Cost and fine maybe be sent to sender or recepient.
You take a chance a that they dont use detectors diligently or ubiquitously.
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Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been used/franked and the sender is rumbled. Cost and fine maybe be sent to sender or recepient.
You take a chance a that they dont use detectors diligently or ubiquitously.
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alan_m
Sep 11, 2021, 6:19:38 PM9/11/21
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On 11/09/2021 22:15, Byron Mccorbie wrote:
> Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices
> are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the
> repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been
> used/franked and the sender is rumbled
Royal mail have been using UV detectable ink during sorting for many
> Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices
> are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the
> repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been
> used/franked and the sender is rumbled
decades.
UK Stamps have had phosphor bands for the past 60 years - to identify
the value of the stamp.
alan_m
Sep 12, 2021, 3:56:49 AM9/12/21
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On 12/09/2021 07:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
> But one wonders why the PO do it, use invisible but UV detectable ink,
> I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
> visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
> people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
> out.
Probably so the machines can see the information but not obscure any
information that the postman requires to deliver the item.
These days with QR codes instead of stamps there seems to be a time
limit on when the self printed QR code would be accepted. It used to be
a few days but was increased during the pandemic.
> But one wonders why the PO do it, use invisible but UV detectable ink,
> I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
> visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
> people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
> out.
Probably so the machines can see the information but not obscure any
information that the postman requires to deliver the item.
These days with QR codes instead of stamps there seems to be a time
limit on when the self printed QR code would be accepted. It used to be
a few days but was increased during the pandemic.
Brian Gaff (Sofa)
Sep 12, 2021, 5:07:36 AM9/12/21
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WEll, it looks better for a start of course. You can clearly actually see
the stamp older francing marks often obliterated the stamp. Also automatic
detection is far easier when you are outside of the visible range.
Incidentally, isn't fraud against the Home Owners Club posting terms and
conditions, oor is the shop unmanned?
Brian
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> stamp that had not been franked.
the stamp older francing marks often obliterated the stamp. Also automatic
detection is far easier when you are outside of the visible range.
Incidentally, isn't fraud against the Home Owners Club posting terms and
conditions, oor is the shop unmanned?
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> On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:19:32 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/09/2021 22:15, Byron Mccorbie wrote:
>>
>>> Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices
>>> are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the
>>> repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been
>>> used/franked and the sender is rumbled
>>
>>Royal mail have been using UV detectable ink during sorting for many
>>decades.
>
> My late wife fell foul of that a decade or so ago when she re-used a
> wrote:
>
>>On 11/09/2021 22:15, Byron Mccorbie wrote:
>>
>>> Alcohol can work too. There are reports in 2020 that some post offices
>>> are using invisible UV ink franking machines so even if you do the
>>> repplication very successfully, a UV light will show its been
>>> used/franked and the sender is rumbled
>>
>>Royal mail have been using UV detectable ink during sorting for many
>>decades.
>
> stamp that had not been franked.
>
> But one wonders why the PO do it, use invisible but UV detectable ink,
> I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
> visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
> people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
> out.
>>
> But one wonders why the PO do it, use invisible but UV detectable ink,
> I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
> visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
> people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
> out.
>>
>>UK Stamps have had phosphor bands for the past 60 years - to identify
>>the value of the stamp.
>
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> Chris
>>the value of the stamp.
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Peter Johnson
Sep 12, 2021, 11:14:36 AM9/12/21
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 07:21:46 +0100, Chris Hogg <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:19:32 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>
>On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 23:19:32 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>
>But one wonders why the PO do it, use invisible but UV detectable ink,
>I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
>visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
>people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
>out.
>>
>I mean. If they're going to use an ink of any type, why not make it
>visible for all to see? It's as if they're deliberately encouraging
>people to re-use apparently unfranked stamps and then catching them
>out.
>>
>>UK Stamps have had phosphor bands for the past 60 years - to identify
>>the value of the stamp.
The phosphor lines are visible. Hold a (blue) 2nd class stamp to the
>>the value of the stamp.
light, obliquely, and you'll see a single line down the middle, two
lines, left and right on other values. The function was to ditinguish
the 2nd class mail. I think the machines used to assume that any item
with more than one stamp was 1st class but they might be cleverer than
that now.
I think non-2nd class commemoratives and special issies have an all
over coating which can only be seen by a uv light but there aren't
many of those used these days.
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