D1 License

[Jonty Wareing]

Hi all!

Due to the hire firm messing up, we have been given a 17-seater
minibus rather than the two 9-seaters we ordered. We're trying to
hire them from somewhere else, but just in case:

Does anyone have a D1 driving license who would be willing to do
the shuttle run from Milton Keynes coachway to the site for a few
hours over the weekend?

Thanks,
--jonty

[Mark Steward]

Most importantly, Friday morning, as that's when we're expecting most people to arrive.

Mark

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[David Murphy]

actually, what's the deal with the shuttle? is it free, do we have to book etc?

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[Nigel Worsley]

You don't need a D1 licence as long as certain conditions are met:

Holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive any of the vehicles listed below:

a passenger carrying vehicle manufactured more than 30 years before the date when it is driven and not used for hire or reward
or for the carriage of more than 8 passengers
a minibus with up to 16 passenger seats provided the following conditions are met:

i. the vehicle is used for social purposes by a non-commercial body but not for hire or reward
ii. the driver is aged 21
iii. the driver has held a car (category B) licence for at least 2 years
iv. the driver is providing the service on a voluntary basis
v. the minibus maximum weight is not more than 3.5 tonnes or 4.25 tonnes including any specialist equipment for the carriage of
disabled passengers
vi. if the driver is aged 70 or over, is able to meet the health standards for driving a D1 vehicle

So, how heavy is it?

Nigle

[Mark Steward]

It'll be over 3.5 tonnes. We were relying on the exception for the 2 9-seater vehicles which fell through (and we've now rehired one of).

Mark

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[Mark Steward]

It'll be free. I'll email more tonight.

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[Tom Allen]

Are you sure? I haven't seen a 17 seater over 3.5ton. They tend to be based on Ford Transit or LDV convoy chassis which are all 3.5t GVW with an actual kerb wait of about 2t leaving 1.5t for meat bags. Anything over 3.5t is normally called a mini-coach and would have 20+ seats.

https://www.google.com/search?q=17+seater+minibus+uk&tbm=isch

Tom

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[Mark Steward]

I'd be overjoyed if you could find a hire company that'll insure someone without a D1 on one.

Mark

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[Kimball Johnson]

If you have any one that passed before 1997, then
http://www.a1nationalvanhire.co.uk/faq.php will hire you one.

Kimball

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[Mark Steward]

Anyone who passed before 1997 will have a D1 on their licence.

Mark

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[Kimball Johnson]

Fair enough, from the working on their FAQ I didn't think that was the case.

Kimball

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[Nigel Worsley]

Kimball Johnson wrote:
>>On 30 August 2012 17:04, Mark Steward <marks...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Anyone who passed before 1997 will have a D1 on their licence.

> Fair enough, from the working on their FAQ I didn't think that was the case.

It isn't, if the licence is old enough to predate the current category system then there
will be no mention of D1 - but the text will explain the types of vehicle covered.

Nigle

[Richard Clubb]

The problem with weight is the gross weight, so anything that can carry over 3.5 tonnes can't be driven by people without a D1 licence. Annoyingly a Ford Transit 16 seater is rated to 4250kg gross.

Rich