Aatma Sakshatkar
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Shekhar Kelkar
Aug 17, 2012, 4:31:57 AM8/17/12
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Hari Om Ji
Agar aapko Aatma Sakshatkar ho gaya to aapke family ke logon ko kya laabh hota hain? Aapke ghar ke sadasyon ko bhi (individually) to sakshatkar karna padega hi na?
Doosri baat poochni thi ke aatma sakshatkar hone ke baad niyam hote hain ya nahi aur agar hote hain to kya niyam hote hain?
Narayan Hari
Amar Aatma
Agar aapko Aatma Sakshatkar ho gaya to aapke family ke logon ko kya laabh hota hain? Aapke ghar ke sadasyon ko bhi (individually) to sakshatkar karna padega hi na?
Doosri baat poochni thi ke aatma sakshatkar hone ke baad niyam hote hain ya nahi aur agar hote hain to kya niyam hote hain?
Narayan Hari
Amar Aatma
naman rastogi
Aug 21, 2012, 2:05:03 PM8/21/12
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hariom
shakshatkar karne ke baad family members ko bas punya labh hota hai jo gyani ke darshan se hota hai ,,plus ek baat woh bhi hai
ki gyani apni 21 peedhiyon ko tarta hai wali,,
par asli fayada tub tuk nai hoga jub tuk unko guru roop mei nai dekha,, generally toh family membrs pehchante hi nai i know n heard of many cases n i know sum ppl personally ,, kyonki unki aisi buddhi nai hoti gyani buddhi ko badal ke(samajh) hi gyani hota hai lekin jinko gyan nai hua unki buddhi sansar mei lagi hai unke samne agar gyani bol bhi de ki mai gyani hun tub bhi unko samjh nai aayega haha even almost every ppl in the world is like that., even brahmgyani ke shishya bhi sabhi gyani ko nai jante ve log toh unhe sharir hi samjhte hain kuch hi hote hain ginti ke jo exactly gyani ko aur uski baat ko samjhte hain,, jub koi gyani banta hai tub usse ek death ki tarah keh sakte hai but us death se wapas aane wala jo hota ha use sirf ek hi baat nischay hoti hai ki aham brahmasmi ,, i mean to say ki gyan hone ke liye sirf yeh itni si baat hi kaafi hai aur jisko samjhne ki patrata ai hai usko kitna bhi kuch bolo bekaar hai ,,
conclusion yeh hai ki brahmgyani ka sahi labh toh unke sare shishya bhi nai le paate toh family membrs ki baat hi kya,, baaki punya labh hota hai ,, aur guru mante hain toh shakshattkar ki patrata bhi badhti hai,, nahi toh wohi baat hoti hai ki punya kamaya phir swarg gaye aur punya kharch karke wapas ,,,
shakshatkar ke baad koi niyam nai hote ,, gyani ka koi kartavya nai hai,, gyan hone ke baad gyani ka sab kaam swabhavik chalta hai ,, swabhavik chalta hai iska matlab yeh nai automatic ho jata hai i guess every1 understands it , matlab jaise koi kaam shuru karne ke pehle hum koi thinking banate hain ki yeh hum karenge aur is liye karenege ,, ab gyani dimaag lagane wale kaam mei dimaag toh lagayega aur ho sakta hai kuch kaam aise ho jismei parinaam pe bhi nazar rakhie but uska motive kabhi kuch nahi hoga ,, so usse jo hona hoga woh hoga ,, woh apni marzi se koi kaam nai akrta ,, aur agar karta dikhe bhi toh uske andar woh marzi behte paani mei lakeer jaisi hoti hai woh kar bhale de par usse bandhata nai ,, jaise uski sari batien bas behte paani jaisi hai na usko koi pakad hai aur na woh chah ke bhi pakad sakta hai ,, its like jaise normal people kuch kuch cases mei karte hain jaise unhe kisi baat se matlab nai hai toh usmei kya ho uhne farak nai padta hai aur aise kaam ko ve log jyada der tuk interst leke kar bhi nahi payenge its similar to that just gyani har case mei aise hi behave karta hai ,,,
usmei aadaatien dikhengi woh sab upar upar se reh jata hai ,, kuch kare bina toh koi nai reh sakta toh gyani bhi puri aadaton ke karan karta rheta hai par jaisi koi koi kaam bina effort ke kar lete hain na hum log usi tarah gyani bhi karta hai matlab jyada emotions aur thinking aur motive leke koi kaam nai akr sakta ,,uska interst chahte hue bhi nai ban sakta ,,,ab dekhne wala sochega ki babaji man mei jo aaye karte rhete hain,, par woh uska swabhavik ho jata hai kyonki ab mind ki aadat change karne ki bhi uske andar koi lalsa nai bachi jo chalta jata hai use vaise hi sweekar hai,,,
ek baat yeh jarur hai ki gyan hone ke baad gyani ke is swabhavikta ke karan ho sakta hai ki woh tamsik ya rajasik karmon mei lag jaye usse uska conecntration ya sadhana toh chali jayegi par uska gyan nai jayega,,,
iska reason yeh hai ki unka shahsrar chakra open hota hai samjhiye ki jaise jo vyakti closed shasrar wale hote hain normal people usnke andar ki energy ruke hue pani ke saman hai toh woh log agar koi uncha neecha karma karte hain toh woh unko dushit karta hai ,, par gyani ka shasrar chakra open hone se uske energy universe ki enrgy se connected hain ,, jo kehte hain na ki samashti (vyapak hota hai) se gyani juda hota hai tph uski energy ya universal enrgy ka uske antahkarna constant flow rheta hai (gyan ki nigah se gyani vyapak ho gya hai , swaroop mei ek hai,,ekakaar hai etc etc) toh yeh behte pani ki tarah hai woh kuch bhi kare uski energy hamesha fresh n pure rheti hai usse sab hoke gujar jata hai ,, shudha budha chaitanya hai ,,,isliye usmei kuch bhi baat ka farak nai bhale uski sadhana mei ya mind se concentration mei kami aaye uske swabhavik pane se joki uske prarabdha ke karan hai uska swabhav ,, par usse gyan mei koi harkat nai.,,,
thats all ismei jo maine suna samjha hai uske basis pe kaha hai,,igonre the typos :)
hariom
shakshatkar karne ke baad family members ko bas punya labh hota hai jo gyani ke darshan se hota hai ,,plus ek baat woh bhi hai
ki gyani apni 21 peedhiyon ko tarta hai wali,,
par asli fayada tub tuk nai hoga jub tuk unko guru roop mei nai dekha,, generally toh family membrs pehchante hi nai i know n heard of many cases n i know sum ppl personally ,, kyonki unki aisi buddhi nai hoti gyani buddhi ko badal ke(samajh) hi gyani hota hai lekin jinko gyan nai hua unki buddhi sansar mei lagi hai unke samne agar gyani bol bhi de ki mai gyani hun tub bhi unko samjh nai aayega haha even almost every ppl in the world is like that., even brahmgyani ke shishya bhi sabhi gyani ko nai jante ve log toh unhe sharir hi samjhte hain kuch hi hote hain ginti ke jo exactly gyani ko aur uski baat ko samjhte hain,, jub koi gyani banta hai tub usse ek death ki tarah keh sakte hai but us death se wapas aane wala jo hota ha use sirf ek hi baat nischay hoti hai ki aham brahmasmi ,, i mean to say ki gyan hone ke liye sirf yeh itni si baat hi kaafi hai aur jisko samjhne ki patrata ai hai usko kitna bhi kuch bolo bekaar hai ,,
conclusion yeh hai ki brahmgyani ka sahi labh toh unke sare shishya bhi nai le paate toh family membrs ki baat hi kya,, baaki punya labh hota hai ,, aur guru mante hain toh shakshattkar ki patrata bhi badhti hai,, nahi toh wohi baat hoti hai ki punya kamaya phir swarg gaye aur punya kharch karke wapas ,,,
shakshatkar ke baad koi niyam nai hote ,, gyani ka koi kartavya nai hai,, gyan hone ke baad gyani ka sab kaam swabhavik chalta hai ,, swabhavik chalta hai iska matlab yeh nai automatic ho jata hai i guess every1 understands it , matlab jaise koi kaam shuru karne ke pehle hum koi thinking banate hain ki yeh hum karenge aur is liye karenege ,, ab gyani dimaag lagane wale kaam mei dimaag toh lagayega aur ho sakta hai kuch kaam aise ho jismei parinaam pe bhi nazar rakhie but uska motive kabhi kuch nahi hoga ,, so usse jo hona hoga woh hoga ,, woh apni marzi se koi kaam nai akrta ,, aur agar karta dikhe bhi toh uske andar woh marzi behte paani mei lakeer jaisi hoti hai woh kar bhale de par usse bandhata nai ,, jaise uski sari batien bas behte paani jaisi hai na usko koi pakad hai aur na woh chah ke bhi pakad sakta hai ,, its like jaise normal people kuch kuch cases mei karte hain jaise unhe kisi baat se matlab nai hai toh usmei kya ho uhne farak nai padta hai aur aise kaam ko ve log jyada der tuk interst leke kar bhi nahi payenge its similar to that just gyani har case mei aise hi behave karta hai ,,,
usmei aadaatien dikhengi woh sab upar upar se reh jata hai ,, kuch kare bina toh koi nai reh sakta toh gyani bhi puri aadaton ke karan karta rheta hai par jaisi koi koi kaam bina effort ke kar lete hain na hum log usi tarah gyani bhi karta hai matlab jyada emotions aur thinking aur motive leke koi kaam nai akr sakta ,,uska interst chahte hue bhi nai ban sakta ,,,ab dekhne wala sochega ki babaji man mei jo aaye karte rhete hain,, par woh uska swabhavik ho jata hai kyonki ab mind ki aadat change karne ki bhi uske andar koi lalsa nai bachi jo chalta jata hai use vaise hi sweekar hai,,,
ek baat yeh jarur hai ki gyan hone ke baad gyani ke is swabhavikta ke karan ho sakta hai ki woh tamsik ya rajasik karmon mei lag jaye usse uska conecntration ya sadhana toh chali jayegi par uska gyan nai jayega,,,
iska reason yeh hai ki unka shahsrar chakra open hota hai samjhiye ki jaise jo vyakti closed shasrar wale hote hain normal people usnke andar ki energy ruke hue pani ke saman hai toh woh log agar koi uncha neecha karma karte hain toh woh unko dushit karta hai ,, par gyani ka shasrar chakra open hone se uske energy universe ki enrgy se connected hain ,, jo kehte hain na ki samashti (vyapak hota hai) se gyani juda hota hai tph uski energy ya universal enrgy ka uske antahkarna constant flow rheta hai (gyan ki nigah se gyani vyapak ho gya hai , swaroop mei ek hai,,ekakaar hai etc etc) toh yeh behte pani ki tarah hai woh kuch bhi kare uski energy hamesha fresh n pure rheti hai usse sab hoke gujar jata hai ,, shudha budha chaitanya hai ,,,isliye usmei kuch bhi baat ka farak nai bhale uski sadhana mei ya mind se concentration mei kami aaye uske swabhavik pane se joki uske prarabdha ke karan hai uska swabhav ,, par usse gyan mei koi harkat nai.,,,
thats all ismei jo maine suna samjha hai uske basis pe kaha hai,,igonre the typos :)
hariom
Shekhar Kelkar
Aug 22, 2012, 1:28:45 AM8/22/12
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Hari Om Naman Bhai
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"ek baat yeh jarur hai ki gyan hone ke baad gyani ke is swabhavikta ke karan ho sakta hai ki woh tamsik ya rajasik karmon mei lag jaye usse uska conecntration ya sadhana toh chali jayegi par uska gyan nai jayega,,,"
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Aapke anusaar agar sadhana chale gayi to usko wapas sakshatkar karna padega?
Narayan Hari
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naman rastogi
Aug 22, 2012, 2:17:40 AM8/22/12
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hariomji
nai usko sadhana nai karna padega,,, hamare antahkaran ki do vrutti hoti hain ek mukhya aur dusri gauni(secondary) vrutti,,, mukhya vrutti kahe toh hanari mahatva buddhi hai,, aur gauni vrutti hamara man ,,,, jidhar hamari mahattva buddhi hoti hai man udhar hi swabhavik lagta hai ,,, mahattva buddhi ko vasana bhi keh sakte hain ,, aur vasanao ke hisab se hi sankalp vikalp hote hain,,,ab manushya kitna bhi uncha uthe sankalp vikalp ko kum karke par agar mahattva buddhi sansar mei hai toh sab vyartha hai ,,, par gyani jinki mahatva buddhi swaroop mei hai ,satya mei hai ve man se kuch bhi kare par aakhir unka man swaroop mei aata hai yani unke liye man ko shant karne ke liye koi prayatna ki avashyakta nai,,, aur sadhana jo ki man ko ekagra karne ke liye hoti hai uski bhi avashyakta nai,,, generally kisi ko bhi shanti pana hai jiska buddhi swaroop mei nai tika hai use shanti ke liye man ko jabardasti rokna padta hai ekagrata ke dwara ,, gyani ko dhyan karne ki avshyakta bhi nai,, so isliye uska gyan har samaye intact rheta hai ,,,,
ahamkar hai(apne ko kuch manana) toh vasana hai aur vasana hai toh sankalp vikalp honge ,, jiska andar sankalp vikalp hain woh shant kadachit nai reh sakta usko dhyan karna padta hai sankalp vikalp kam karne ke liye ,,, gyani ne vasana aur vsana ka root ahamkar ko nasht kiya hai toh uske sankalp vikalp swabhavik hi nai uthate ,, agar hote bhi hain toh uska man swabhavik hi ni-sankalp avastha mei wapas aa jata hai ,,, aur chamatkar hona gyan ka phal nai chamatkar toh ekagrata se hote hain,,
EK BAR GYAN HUA TOH WOH GYAN JATA NAI...
nai usko sadhana nai karna padega,,, hamare antahkaran ki do vrutti hoti hain ek mukhya aur dusri gauni(secondary) vrutti,,, mukhya vrutti kahe toh hanari mahatva buddhi hai,, aur gauni vrutti hamara man ,,,, jidhar hamari mahattva buddhi hoti hai man udhar hi swabhavik lagta hai ,,, mahattva buddhi ko vasana bhi keh sakte hain ,, aur vasanao ke hisab se hi sankalp vikalp hote hain,,,ab manushya kitna bhi uncha uthe sankalp vikalp ko kum karke par agar mahattva buddhi sansar mei hai toh sab vyartha hai ,,, par gyani jinki mahatva buddhi swaroop mei hai ,satya mei hai ve man se kuch bhi kare par aakhir unka man swaroop mei aata hai yani unke liye man ko shant karne ke liye koi prayatna ki avashyakta nai,,, aur sadhana jo ki man ko ekagra karne ke liye hoti hai uski bhi avashyakta nai,,, generally kisi ko bhi shanti pana hai jiska buddhi swaroop mei nai tika hai use shanti ke liye man ko jabardasti rokna padta hai ekagrata ke dwara ,, gyani ko dhyan karne ki avshyakta bhi nai,, so isliye uska gyan har samaye intact rheta hai ,,,,
ahamkar hai(apne ko kuch manana) toh vasana hai aur vasana hai toh sankalp vikalp honge ,, jiska andar sankalp vikalp hain woh shant kadachit nai reh sakta usko dhyan karna padta hai sankalp vikalp kam karne ke liye ,,, gyani ne vasana aur vsana ka root ahamkar ko nasht kiya hai toh uske sankalp vikalp swabhavik hi nai uthate ,, agar hote bhi hain toh uska man swabhavik hi ni-sankalp avastha mei wapas aa jata hai ,,, aur chamatkar hona gyan ka phal nai chamatkar toh ekagrata se hote hain,,
EK BAR GYAN HUA TOH WOH GYAN JATA NAI...
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