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naman_hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 4:51:49 AM4/30/12
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hariom
what i have deduced is that ki jub tuk sadhak ek hi marg ke nai honge
tub tuk woh ek dusre ki baat nai manenge ,,jaise ki gopiyan aur udhav
ji ka case tha,, kuch na kuch gadbad rhegi ,, aur discussions ka bhi
koi fayada nai hoga kyonki jub tuk contradict karte rhenge tub tuk
baat dimaag mei kaise baithegi, aage ki yatra kaise hogi,,,, so better
to divide discussions according to type of sadhaks to take maximum
benefit :)
baaki jaisa aapka logon ka decision ho :)
what i have deduced is that ki jub tuk sadhak ek hi marg ke nai honge
tub tuk woh ek dusre ki baat nai manenge ,,jaise ki gopiyan aur udhav
ji ka case tha,, kuch na kuch gadbad rhegi ,, aur discussions ka bhi
koi fayada nai hoga kyonki jub tuk contradict karte rhenge tub tuk
baat dimaag mei kaise baithegi, aage ki yatra kaise hogi,,,, so better
to divide discussions according to type of sadhaks to take maximum
benefit :)
baaki jaisa aapka logon ka decision ho :)
Satya Hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 7:11:19 AM4/30/12
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HariOm Prabhuji,
This group is meant to be discussed various options, path’s and exchange of ideas each other. If someone asks more information or a clarification about our views, we should not get upset, instead we should feel happy that we can able to elaborate our views which helps us to polish our views and also able to provide a clarification to others, and we shouldn’t treat as a conflict.
It is not necessary that everyone agree with our views and support us, I hope we are still not yet Mr Perfect, so that our views will be accepted unanimous by everyone.
Even Gurudev’s teachings will not be taken same by every sadhak, but Gurudev never divide sadhaks into groups for different sadhana path’s and ideology.
We should not restrict this group to discuss just one path or a method or divide people into various sub groups etc., this is not a way to conduct discussions, discussing various options and methods will help us to enhance our knowledge and also helps to broaden our thinking.
Ha me ha milane waale tho bahut milenge, isse koi fayda nahi hogi, jab hamare vicharon ko dusre log discuss kare thaake hum sabko fayda ho, tabi tho asli charcha hogi, wah wayi ka charcha kar ne ke liye ham yaha ekatta nahi huve, hamare vicharon ko log rok tok kare (accha bhavna se) tho hum uska swagat bade dil se karna chahiye thake hamara vikas hone me madad milegi, isme sukad ne ki baat nahi hain. Agar koi bi prashn nahi karenge tho charcha kaise hogi? Hame yeh dekhna chahiye prashna kartha ka uddeshya kya hain, isme kuch prakash daal ne ki avashyaktha hain ke nahi, isse kisika bhala ho saktha ke nahi etc.,
Gurudev bolthe hain, Atmasaksatkaar ka maarg me chalna veeron ka kaam hain, khayaron ka nahi, choti si mat bhed hone se naaraz hona acchi baat nahi hain, running away is not a solution for any problem, hame datke rehna aur majboot banna padega, tabi tho hum apne lakshay tak pahunchenge.
Hope you understand and continue with your active participation.
HariOm
|| Aham Brahma Paramdhamam
Paramaanandam Param Padam ||
naman_hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 7:27:41 AM4/30/12
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hariomji
first of all on the top of everything ,, i m not upset ,,
second i m not saying restrict things m just saying it would
facilitate to forward in the path if one do discussions with the
sadhaks of his own path ,, because bhakti wala dusre ko gyan ki baat
batayega ,, aur gyan wala yog wale ko apni baat batayega isse
knowledge toh badhegi but spiritual advancement possible nai ,, kyoni
ek stage ke baad discussion ko accept karke usko practice mei lana
hota hai ,, aur agar tarah tarah ki sadhana ki barien mei sirf sunte
rhenge toh aage badhne ke liye acceptance kahan se hoga
ab gyan ko hi lele toh sirf sunte rhena toh theek hai par kuch had tuk
kyoni uske aage bhi toh badhana hai ,,,usko accept karke uska manana
karna hai phir nitadhyasan
par agar different courses ko sadhak sirf study karta rhega toh jyada
fayada nai hone wala ,,
aur mai kisi se upset nai hun aur na hi kisi frustation mei yeh sab
suggest kar rha hun
> *Paramaanandam Param Padam ||*
first of all on the top of everything ,, i m not upset ,,
second i m not saying restrict things m just saying it would
facilitate to forward in the path if one do discussions with the
sadhaks of his own path ,, because bhakti wala dusre ko gyan ki baat
batayega ,, aur gyan wala yog wale ko apni baat batayega isse
knowledge toh badhegi but spiritual advancement possible nai ,, kyoni
ek stage ke baad discussion ko accept karke usko practice mei lana
hota hai ,, aur agar tarah tarah ki sadhana ki barien mei sirf sunte
rhenge toh aage badhne ke liye acceptance kahan se hoga
ab gyan ko hi lele toh sirf sunte rhena toh theek hai par kuch had tuk
kyoni uske aage bhi toh badhana hai ,,,usko accept karke uska manana
karna hai phir nitadhyasan
par agar different courses ko sadhak sirf study karta rhega toh jyada
fayada nai hone wala ,,
aur mai kisi se upset nai hun aur na hi kisi frustation mei yeh sab
suggest kar rha hun
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM, naman_hariom <rastog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hariom
> > what i have deduced is that ki jub tuk sadhak ek hi marg ke nai honge
> > tub tuk woh ek dusre ki baat nai manenge ,,jaise ki gopiyan aur udhav
> > ji ka case tha,, kuch na kuch gadbad rhegi ,, aur discussions ka bhi
> > koi fayada nai hoga kyonki jub tuk contradict karte rhenge tub tuk
> > baat dimaag mei kaise baithegi, aage ki yatra kaise hogi,,,, so better
> > to divide discussions according to type of sadhaks to take maximum
> > benefit :)
> > baaki jaisa aapka logon ka decision ho :)
>
> --
> *|| Aham Brahma Paramdhamam*
> > hariom
> > what i have deduced is that ki jub tuk sadhak ek hi marg ke nai honge
> > tub tuk woh ek dusre ki baat nai manenge ,,jaise ki gopiyan aur udhav
> > ji ka case tha,, kuch na kuch gadbad rhegi ,, aur discussions ka bhi
> > koi fayada nai hoga kyonki jub tuk contradict karte rhenge tub tuk
> > baat dimaag mei kaise baithegi, aage ki yatra kaise hogi,,,, so better
> > to divide discussions according to type of sadhaks to take maximum
> > benefit :)
> > baaki jaisa aapka logon ka decision ho :)
>
> --
> *Paramaanandam Param Padam ||*
satya.hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 8:24:57 AM4/30/12
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HariOm Prabhuji,
Group me tho discussions hoga, agar aap discussions ke baad ke stage me ho then what you are expecting from a discussion group, I'm not sure.....
You may try to invite sadhaks to involve in your postings to discuss with the same path as yours, again I'm not sure, as it is you have decided what is your path and know how to proceed, and it seems there is nothing left for you to discuss then what would you like to discuss, and what you are looking for?
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Group me tho discussions hoga, agar aap discussions ke baad ke stage me ho then what you are expecting from a discussion group, I'm not sure.....
You may try to invite sadhaks to involve in your postings to discuss with the same path as yours, again I'm not sure, as it is you have decided what is your path and know how to proceed, and it seems there is nothing left for you to discuss then what would you like to discuss, and what you are looking for?
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naman_hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 9:48:16 AM4/30/12
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hariomji
i will again repeat this znt abt me,,, i m not looking for anything ,,
i just said that for greater interest,,n for all
uttam sadhak dont ask questions ,,, i asked that we must contemplate
on what we heard from guruji not just keep on discussing abt it,, n if
any1 have any doubt in his\her journey then he or she can ask
questions about it at most ..but what we are discussing that we tell
that this and this are the paths and this should be done this way,, n
this is better than this ,,,
n please dont turn everything onto me ,, cause m not suggesting or
demanding something for me,, dont make it personal for me :)
On Apr 30, 5:24 pm, "satya.hariom" <satya.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HariOm Prabhuji,
> Group me tho discussions hoga, agar aap discussions ke baad ke stage me ho then what you are expecting from a discussion group, I'm not sure.....
>
> You may try to invite sadhaks to involve in your postings to discuss with the same path as yours, again I'm not sure, as it is you have decided what is your path and know how to proceed, and it seems there is nothing left for you to discuss then what would you like to discuss, and what you are looking for?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
i will again repeat this znt abt me,,, i m not looking for anything ,,
i just said that for greater interest,,n for all
uttam sadhak dont ask questions ,,, i asked that we must contemplate
on what we heard from guruji not just keep on discussing abt it,, n if
any1 have any doubt in his\her journey then he or she can ask
questions about it at most ..but what we are discussing that we tell
that this and this are the paths and this should be done this way,, n
this is better than this ,,,
n please dont turn everything onto me ,, cause m not suggesting or
demanding something for me,, dont make it personal for me :)
On Apr 30, 5:24 pm, "satya.hariom" <satya.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HariOm Prabhuji,
> Group me tho discussions hoga, agar aap discussions ke baad ke stage me ho then what you are expecting from a discussion group, I'm not sure.....
>
> You may try to invite sadhaks to involve in your postings to discuss with the same path as yours, again I'm not sure, as it is you have decided what is your path and know how to proceed, and it seems there is nothing left for you to discuss then what would you like to discuss, and what you are looking for?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
satya.hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 9:57:36 AM4/30/12
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Ok Prabhuji,
would you please define and set some guidelines for the group, this could be helpful.
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would you please define and set some guidelines for the group, this could be helpful.
Sent from my iPhone
JAYPRAKASH SINGH
Apr 30, 2012, 10:27:36 AM4/30/12
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hahahaahaah karo gyan ki charcha karo aur ek dusre ko neecha dikhau ise se ishwarprapti hogi tum sabko., bas gamil me charcha karte jao aur hojayega sakshatkar, hai dam to karke sadhna karo jake jaise bapuji bolte hai. jao ek sal ke liye karke dikhau, badi badi bate karne se kuch nahi hota hai, parmatma kya koi khilauna hai kya jo charcha se mil jayega, bheek mangni padti hai garib ki tarah jab jake kahi uski koi jhalak milti hai. mai dekh raha hu ki yaha pe gyani log bahut hai, bapu ka hi gyan liya hai aur usi gyan ke bal me deeng hak rahe ho tum sab, bapu ne gyan diya hai apne jeevan me utarne ke liye naki deeng hakne ke liye, tum anukaran karo tumhare smapark me jo aayega vo apne aap lag jayega, kuch logo ko chhhodkar tum sab ahankar ke vashibhut hogyae ho, gyan pacha nahi hai barabar se. Vaise i agree with namanji, jao sadhna karo yaha pe time khoti mat karo. mai aise logo se mila hu jinhone 6 sal tak 120 mala ki hai om mantra ki aur abhi bhi lage hue hai. tumloogo se to vo log acche hai practical karte hai. yaha pe bas apne gyan ka pradarshan ho raha hai aur kuch nahi. anubhav kisi ke pass nahi hai. meri bat bhlae buri lage par mai jaroora kahunga. hariom
naman_hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 10:48:59 AM4/30/12
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hariomji
i just suggested that we should just clarify doubt of people who are
approaching shakshatkar from different sadhanas ,,, and each person
can clarify the doubt in his stream of sadhana ,,
top of all we should watch our mind whenever we get time and do
sadhana of swas-o-swas irrespective of what path we are following
cause sadhanas are for mind but to go beyond mind we have to watch it
and watch swas-o-swas
yog dhyan bhakti gyan everythng is fine but we have to beyond mind not
just keep on doing these sadhanas from mind
On Apr 30, 6:57 pm, "satya.hariom" <satya.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok Prabhuji,
> would you please define and set some guidelines for the group, this could be helpful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
i just suggested that we should just clarify doubt of people who are
approaching shakshatkar from different sadhanas ,,, and each person
can clarify the doubt in his stream of sadhana ,,
top of all we should watch our mind whenever we get time and do
sadhana of swas-o-swas irrespective of what path we are following
cause sadhanas are for mind but to go beyond mind we have to watch it
and watch swas-o-swas
yog dhyan bhakti gyan everythng is fine but we have to beyond mind not
just keep on doing these sadhanas from mind
On Apr 30, 6:57 pm, "satya.hariom" <satya.har...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok Prabhuji,
> would you please define and set some guidelines for the group, this could be helpful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
naman_hariom
Apr 30, 2012, 11:20:55 AM4/30/12
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hariomji
haahaha kaha toh apne ahankar ko dur karne ke liye kathor vachan but i
agree
lekin gmail pe charcha se bhi bahut fayada hota hai,, baapuji ki hi
sadhika hain i came in contact with her online 4 years earlier woh
dhyan aur bhakti mei kaafi aage the ,, tub se gyan ki charcha karte
karte unki yatra kaise puri hui hai yeh maine witness kiya hai ,,
nowadys she is busy somewhere but as soon as ill come in contact with
her ill ask her to tell her experience.
par jub tuk discussion sirf argument bana rhega tub tuk usse koi
fayada nai hoga ,, hume toh gurudev ka gyan pachana hai,, uska abhyas
karna hai ,, aur us abhyas mei koi problem ho toh us problem ko
discuss karne ke liye is group ka use kare toh behtar nai naaki bina
abhyas ke hi sirf discuss kare
On Apr 30, 7:27 pm, JAYPRAKASH SINGH <singhj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hahahaahaah karo gyan ki charcha karo aur ek dusre ko neecha dikhau ise se
> ishwarprapti hogi tum sabko., bas gamil me charcha karte jao aur hojayega
> sakshatkar, hai dam to karke sadhna karo jake jaise bapuji bolte hai. jao
> ek sal ke liye karke dikhau, badi badi bate karne se kuch nahi hota hai,
> parmatma kya koi khilauna hai kya jo charcha se mil jayega, bheek mangni
> padti hai garib ki tarah jab jake kahi uski koi jhalak milti hai. mai dekh
> raha hu ki yaha pe gyani log bahut hai, bapu ka hi gyan liya hai aur usi
> gyan ke bal me deeng hak rahe ho tum sab, bapu ne gyan diya hai apne jeevan
> me utarne ke liye naki deeng hakne ke liye, tum anukaran karo tumhare
> smapark me jo aayega vo apne aap lag jayega, kuch logo ko chhhodkar tum sab
> ahankar ke vashibhut hogyae ho, gyan pacha nahi hai barabar se. Vaise i
> agree with namanji, jao sadhna karo yaha pe time khoti mat karo. mai aise
> logo se mila hu jinhone 6 sal tak 120 mala ki hai om mantra ki aur abhi bhi
> lage hue hai. tumloogo se to vo log acche hai practical karte hai. yaha pe
> bas apne gyan ka pradarshan ho raha hai aur kuch nahi. anubhav kisi ke pass
> nahi hai. meri bat bhlae buri lage par mai jaroora kahunga. hariom
>
haahaha kaha toh apne ahankar ko dur karne ke liye kathor vachan but i
agree
lekin gmail pe charcha se bhi bahut fayada hota hai,, baapuji ki hi
sadhika hain i came in contact with her online 4 years earlier woh
dhyan aur bhakti mei kaafi aage the ,, tub se gyan ki charcha karte
karte unki yatra kaise puri hui hai yeh maine witness kiya hai ,,
nowadys she is busy somewhere but as soon as ill come in contact with
her ill ask her to tell her experience.
par jub tuk discussion sirf argument bana rhega tub tuk usse koi
fayada nai hoga ,, hume toh gurudev ka gyan pachana hai,, uska abhyas
karna hai ,, aur us abhyas mei koi problem ho toh us problem ko
discuss karne ke liye is group ka use kare toh behtar nai naaki bina
abhyas ke hi sirf discuss kare
On Apr 30, 7:27 pm, JAYPRAKASH SINGH <singhj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hahahaahaah karo gyan ki charcha karo aur ek dusre ko neecha dikhau ise se
> ishwarprapti hogi tum sabko., bas gamil me charcha karte jao aur hojayega
> sakshatkar, hai dam to karke sadhna karo jake jaise bapuji bolte hai. jao
> ek sal ke liye karke dikhau, badi badi bate karne se kuch nahi hota hai,
> parmatma kya koi khilauna hai kya jo charcha se mil jayega, bheek mangni
> padti hai garib ki tarah jab jake kahi uski koi jhalak milti hai. mai dekh
> raha hu ki yaha pe gyani log bahut hai, bapu ka hi gyan liya hai aur usi
> gyan ke bal me deeng hak rahe ho tum sab, bapu ne gyan diya hai apne jeevan
> me utarne ke liye naki deeng hakne ke liye, tum anukaran karo tumhare
> smapark me jo aayega vo apne aap lag jayega, kuch logo ko chhhodkar tum sab
> ahankar ke vashibhut hogyae ho, gyan pacha nahi hai barabar se. Vaise i
> agree with namanji, jao sadhna karo yaha pe time khoti mat karo. mai aise
> logo se mila hu jinhone 6 sal tak 120 mala ki hai om mantra ki aur abhi bhi
> lage hue hai. tumloogo se to vo log acche hai practical karte hai. yaha pe
> bas apne gyan ka pradarshan ho raha hai aur kuch nahi. anubhav kisi ke pass
> nahi hai. meri bat bhlae buri lage par mai jaroora kahunga. hariom
>
JAYPRAKASH SINGH
Apr 30, 2012, 11:25:55 AM4/30/12
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hmm sahi bat hai bhai ji, mai bhi ek bramhgyani sant ke sampark me hu, isliye sab samajh sakt hu, ye bapuji aur un bramhgyani sant ki kripa hai ki mai samajh me aajat hai varna to samajhna bahut hi mushkil hai. expeince share kar sakte hai par sab experince bhi nahi share karna chahiyae aisa bapuji bolte hai. chalo koi nai jai gurudeva jai bapudeva, par ek bat notice ki hai maine sab hariomji to bolte hai par apne gurudev ka gun gan nahi krte hai. khair jane do sabka apna apna funda hai. koi nai
JAYPRAKASH SINGH
Apr 30, 2012, 1:37:36 PM4/30/12
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Sakshatkar hone par Gurudev ki kripa se bhagwan ki aisi kaun si shakti milti hai jisse hamara man control me rehta hai. ???????????
mukesh bhatia
Apr 30, 2012, 2:11:01 PM4/30/12
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Phir aap mann ke swami hote ho, das nahi, gyanwan ko mann kaa phurnaa vichlit nahi karsaktaa, phir mann bhi prashant avasthaa mein rehtaa hai aur aap jaise chaho kar sakte ho aap bhog bhognaa chaho toh bhog sakte ho par aap mann kee aadhin nahi hote, mann aapke aadin hotaa hai!
Bapuji do Dadaguruji ne kripaa drishtee daal kar saakshaatkar karayaa aur phir bapuji se kahaa ab tum Ashaon ke das nahi Ashaon ke ram ab tum Asumal nahi Asharam ho, aur tab se bapuji kaa Asharam Bapu hua!
Regards,
Mukesh
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