[Fwd: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE - VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)]
David Scott
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:17:15 -0500
From: John Palmer <j...@adns.net>
Organization: AGN Domain Name Service, Inc.
To: <mem...@TLDA.NET>
References:
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<00d201c7fdd4$51790c10$8001010a@LOCAL> <2007092313...@voo.doo.net>
Oh and who says that a "Scam" has occurred? Joe?
So far, thats all I see here.
Show me a court case/docket number where someone
was sued for this issue and then maybe we can find
some time to deal with it in between re-organizing the
TLDA.
My point is that we have nothing but an official looking
opinion-piece from Joe.
I suggest that if we in the TLDA really have that much
time on our hands, to investigate and do proper due
dilligence on this matter (so we dont get sued ourselves
for going off half-cocked), that we spend that effort
on the reorganization effort.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Schneiders" <ma...@schneiders.org>
To: "John Palmer" <j...@adns.net>
Cc: <mem...@TLDA.NET>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE - VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, at 06:24 [=GMT-0500], John Palmer wrote:
>
> > I think we need to remeber who first brought up this
> > "issue". Mr. Baptista has an agenda for the TLDA and
> > will use it and its name for his own purposes.
> >
> > I say that we do ABSOLUTLY NOTHING at this
> > point.
> >
> > If AKZONOBEL has a problem with publicroot/unidt/whoever,
> > they can engage in litigation or whatever to defend
> > their company name and trademark - its none of our
> > business right now. If they win a court case or someting
> > like that, the TapRoot can be adjusted to show this fact.
> > Its a book-keeping exercise, thats all.
> >
> > Joe is attempting to use the TLDA as a foil to take a
> > shot at Herman Xennt again. We have to take a stand
> > against him doing so. This is just another one of his
> > games and his attempt to manipulate the TLDA for his
> > own purposes.
>
> The issue is not whether you like Joe or Joe likes Xennt. The issue is
> whether we speak up against a scam, that gives the TLD industry a bad
> name.
>
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have instituted this investigation, he is doing so as
representitive of the publicroot, clearly not as a TLDA
representitive. Yes, it is on fine points like these that we have
to be very careful. For the moment, he is trying to encourage us
to get involved. Whatever the reason, I don't care.
However, Xent carries the TLDA name on his website and no one
involved with the TLDA has ever signed any contract authorising
him to do so. We do have grounds for a cease-and-desist order but
we are no way ready for that. For the moment, I suggest that the
wise course is to do nothing and stick to our knitting. That is,
continue knitting this organization into something of more
substance than it has now.
Joe is only trying to distract us. Intentional or not, it doesn't
matter. We need to stick to our core processes right now and while
a potential future core endeavor, it is not a current one. More to
the point, we can't afford to get involved right now and the
timing is most inconvenient.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: members...@TLDA.NET
> [mailto:members...@TLDA.NET]On
> Behalf Of John Palmer
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:40 PM
> To: mem...@TLDA.NET
> Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
> VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
>
>
> I have not signed any agreement with Xennt or anyone else.
> Xennt has no right to claim that the TLDA supports him or
> not - we have not issued a statement on that.
>
> As important, the TLDA has not given Joe Baptista the
> right to use the TLDA name, nor has it allowed him to be
> a spokesperson for the TLDA.
>
> Remember BOTH of those things.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roeland MEYER - net" <Roe...@Caselle-vpn.net>
> To: "Marc Schneiders" <ma...@schneiders.org>; "John
> Palmer" <j...@adns.net>
> Cc: <mem...@TLDA.NET>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:27 AM
> Subject: RE: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE
> NOTICE - VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
>
>
> > For different reasons, I agree with John. "Nothing" is an
> > appropriate response here. The TLDA is not directly named as
> > either a defendant or a plaintiff, even if we have a vague
> > third-party interest. At worst case, we can file a
> "We don't now a
> > damned thing"/"Not on our watch" statement. In fact,
> we don't. I
> > do not see any contracts where Xent has a right to
> use the TLDA
> > name anyway, unless John signed one when all of us weren't
> > looking.
> >
> > How about it John? Did you?
> >
> > --
> > R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R
> > Avenue Viollier 24
> > 1260 Nyon, Switzerland
> > Mob: +41(0)79295 14 68
> > Web: http://www.roelandmeyer.org
> > Mail: mailto:roel...@roelandmeyer.org
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: members...@TLDA.NET
> > > [mailto:members...@TLDA.NET]On
> > > Behalf Of Marc Schneiders
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:30 PM
> > > To: John Palmer
> > > Cc: mem...@TLDA.NET
> > > Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT
> REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
> > > VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, at 08:17 [=GMT-0500], John
> Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh and who says that a "Scam" has occurred? Joe?
> > > > So far, thats all I see here.
> > > >
> > > > Show me a court case/docket number where someone
> > > > was sued for this issue and then maybe we can find
> > > > some time to deal with it in between re-organizing the
> > > > TLDA.
> > >
> > > Well, if there would be a court case, I'd say the TLDA
> > > would have to
> > > be careful in expressing its views...
> > >
> > > Not all problems need to be settled in court. That is
> > > an idea lawyers
> > > are trying to sell us. In my part of the big water we
> > > have other, less
> > > espensive (or should I say: less lucrative?) than law suits.
> > >
> > > > My point is that
> > > > we have nothing but an official looking >
> > > opinion-piece from Joe.
> > >
> > > I guess it wouldn't be difficult to ask him to get the
> > > AkzoNobel
> > > position in writing.
> > >
> > > > I suggest that if we in the TLDA really have that much
> > > > time on our hands, to investigate and do proper due
> > > > dilligence on this matter (so we dont get sued ourselves
> > > > for going off half-cocked), that we spend that effort
> > > > on the reorganization effort.
> > >
> > > How is it progressing?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Members mailing list
> > > Mem...@TLDA.NET
> > > http://MAIL.TLDA.NET/mailman/listinfo/members
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Complaints mailto:ab...@caselle-vpn.net
> >
> >
> >
>
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Joe Baptista
I recently received this email that originated from Roeland Meyer and
want to take the time to respond. The claims made are misleading and
confused. I reject the claim made that all I am doing is distracting
the TLDA. Incorrect - I am asking that you do your jobs. And I
disagree with the statement that I am encouraging the TLDA to get
involved. It is more correct to say that I expect the TLDA to get
involved. I base this on my reading of the bylaws of the TLDA - being
ARTICLE I section 5 and all of ARTICLE II.
To date I have communicated three complaints to the TLDA. Two collissions.
http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/2006-12-30-TLD-Collission-EVENTS.html
http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/2007-09-17-TLD-Collission-IRL.html
and now a complaint of fraud
http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/PR-NOTICE-Sept-21-2007.pdf
Nothing has been done by the TLDA on the collissions. Although it is
clearly the TLDA mandate to deal with collissions. And I expect based
on what I have seen so far that the Fraud will also be ignored. Non of
this however concerns me.
What concerns me is that I have acted appropriately in providing the
TLDA notice on all three counts. I recognize the TLDA as the official
authority for Inclusive Name Space therefore the notice given is
properly delivered. I can now prove in any court of law, or to any
person, that I have taken the appropriate steps in notifying those
responsible. To me this is all about honesty and the integrety of the
Inclusive Name Space. If the TLDA fails to act on the complaints then
it's not my business, its the TLDAs business.
regards
joe baptista
> Subject:
> RE: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
> VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
> From:
> "Roeland MEYER - net" <Roe...@Caselle-vpn.net>
> Date:
> Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:05:33 +0200
> To:
> "John Palmer" <j...@adns.net>, <mem...@TLDA.NET>
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