Re: [Fwd: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE - VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)]
Joe Baptista
I don't buy any of this logic. If the TLDA is unable to deliver - then
it simply does not deliver. I'm not convenced it's incapable of
delivering. The collissions are facts that can be investigated. The
fraud is a fact that can be investigated. I have done most of the work
myself. All the TLDA has to do is confirm. Confirmation requires a
little effort, maybe a few emails - maybe a phone call or two. I myself
have sent out many emails and made many phone calls in order to provide
the TLDA with the facts. If four directors can't confirm what one made
has managed to confirm then I simply have no idea what the TLDA is there
for. As others incidentally have said.
But as I have said clearly - your internal management problems are not
my concern. The TLDA bylaws make very clear the TLDA concerns itself
with the stability of the inclusive name space. It is therefore prudent
for the TLDA to investigate collissions and fraud as both very much
effect the stability and credibility of the inclusive name space. If
you guys can't do that then the problem is not an issue with me - its an
issue with you all.
The issues to me here are strictly legal. The TLDA is the recognized
authority for the INS. I do not dispute this. Do you?
The TLDA has been notified of two collissions and a fraud. The TLDA
mandate under the bylaws is clear. If you can't deliver then thats your
problem - not mine. My resposibility is to keep the name space honest.
I have done that by means of three complaints. As long as I can show
that I have acted responsibly then my legal concerns with respect to my
conduct in this have been addressed.
So please don't complain to me. I have no responsibility to the TLDA.
Nor is the fraud and scam going to stop just because it is incovenient
for the TLDA right now to act. The proceedures for managing collissions
are in your bylaws and fraud is a matter that should seriously concern
the TLDA since your mandate is to protect stakeholders, past, present
and future. Again these are concerns for you as a director and not my
responsibility.
Now as publicroot rep I have made some decisions. The collissions have
been delt with based on first come first served rules. Those TLDs that
existed first in either ".EVENTS" or ".IRL" have been selected for
inclusion in the inclusive name space published by the PublicRoot
Consortium. The Akzo Nobel TLDs have been removed from the inclusive
name space I manage. However, as per the PublicRoot Consortium website
- we recognize the TLDA as the final arbitrator in the collisions and
fraud. So as soon as you guys figure out what has to be done, based of
course on confirmation by means of investigation, then please let me
know your decision.
cheers
joe baptista
Roeland MEYER - net wrote:
>Joe,
>
>Without putting too fine a point on it. The TLDA ain't there yet.
>It never was that strong and what's there isn't even a ghost of
>that. I have made no claims other than that you are posting a
>distraction and if the TLDA chooses to follow it then it'll die.
>That simple. I know that you, John, and Karl have this little love
>fest going but damnit all, Joe. Do you really want this thing to
>have a chance or are you kicking anthills? What you want right
>now, the TLDA cannot deliver, period! No amount of badgering will
>make it able to deliver anytime soon. I just found out about a
>real deadline that we are trying to hit. If we don't hit it then
>the TLDA isn't an entity. If that happens, then where are you?
>Quit your kvetching already!
>
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>R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R
>Avenue Viollier 24
>1260 Nyon, Switzerland
>Mob: +41(0)79295 14 68
>Web: http://www.roelandmeyer.org
>Mail: mailto:roel...@roelandmeyer.org
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tlda-m...@googlegroups.com
>>[mailto:tlda-m...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Joe Baptista
>>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:13 PM
>>To: tlda-m...@googlegroups.com
>>Cc: uca...@googlegroups.com; `TLDA Member List
>>Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT
>>REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
>>VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)]
>>
>>
>>
>>I recently received this email that originated from
>>Roeland Meyer and
>>want to take the time to respond. The claims made are
>>misleading and
>>confused. I reject the claim made that all I am doing
>>is distracting
>>the TLDA. Incorrect - I am asking that you do your
>>jobs. And I
>>disagree with the statement that I am encouraging the
>>TLDA to get
>>involved. It is more correct to say that I expect the
>>TLDA to get
>>involved. I base this on my reading of the bylaws of
>>the TLDA - being
>>ARTICLE I section 5 and all of ARTICLE II.
>>
>>To date I have communicated three complaints to the
>>TLDA. Two collissions.
>>
>>http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/2006-12-30-TLD-
>>Collission-EVENTS.html
>>http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/2007-09-17-TLD-
>>Collission-IRL.html
>>
>>and now a complaint of fraud
>>
>>http://www.publicroot.org/correspondence/PR-NOTICE-Sept-
>>21-2007.pdf
>>
>>Nothing has been done by the TLDA on the collissions.
>>Although it is
>>clearly the TLDA mandate to deal with collissions. And
>>I expect based
>>on what I have seen so far that the Fraud will also be
>>ignored. Non of
>>this however concerns me.
>>
>>What concerns me is that I have acted appropriately in
>>providing the
>>TLDA notice on all three counts. I recognize the TLDA
>>as the official
>>authority for Inclusive Name Space therefore the notice
>>given is
>>properly delivered. I can now prove in any court of
>>law, or to any
>>person, that I have taken the appropriate steps in
>>notifying those
>>responsible. To me this is all about honesty and the
>>integrety of the
>>Inclusive Name Space. If the TLDA fails to act on the
>>complaints then
>>it's not my business, its the TLDAs business.
>>
>>regards
>>joe baptista
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Subject:
>>>RE: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
>>>VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
>>>From:
>>>"Roeland MEYER - net" <Roe...@Caselle-vpn.net>
>>>Date:
>>>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:05:33 +0200
>>>To:
>>>"John Palmer" <j...@adns.net>, <mem...@TLDA.NET>
>>>
>>>
>>>Note that I carefully did not mention Joe, at all.
>>>
>>>
>>While Joe may
>>
>>
>>>have instituted this investigation, he is doing so as
>>>representitive of the publicroot, clearly not as a TLDA
>>>representitive. Yes, it is on fine points like these
>>>
>>>
>>that we have
>>
>>
>>>to be very careful. For the moment, he is trying to
>>>
>>>
>>encourage us
>>
>>
>>>to get involved. Whatever the reason, I don't care.
>>>
>>>However, Xent carries the TLDA name on his website and no one
>>>involved with the TLDA has ever signed any contract authorising
>>>him to do so. We do have grounds for a
>>>
>>>
>>cease-and-desist order but
>>
>>
>>>we are no way ready for that. For the moment, I
>>>
>>>
>>suggest that the
>>
>>
>>>wise course is to do nothing and stick to our
>>>
>>>
>>knitting. That is,
>>
>>
>>>continue knitting this organization into something of more
>>>substance than it has now.
>>>
>>>Joe is only trying to distract us. Intentional or not,
>>>
>>>
>>it doesn't
>>
>>
>>>matter. We need to stick to our core processes right
>>>
>>>
>>now and while
>>
>>
>>>a potential future core endeavor, it is not a current
>>>
>>>
>>one. More to
>>
>>
>>>the point, we can't afford to get involved right now and the
>>>timing is most inconvenient.
>>>
>>>--
>>>R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R
>>>Avenue Viollier 24
>>>1260 Nyon, Switzerland
>>>Mob: +41(0)79295 14 68
>>>Web: http://www.roelandmeyer.org
>>>Mail: mailto:roel...@roelandmeyer.org
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>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: members...@TLDA.NET
>>>>[mailto:members...@TLDA.NET]On
>>>>Behalf Of John Palmer
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:40 PM
>>>>To: mem...@TLDA.NET
>>>>Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
>>>>VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have not signed any agreement with Xennt or anyone else.
>>>>Xennt has no right to claim that the TLDA supports him or
>>>>not - we have not issued a statement on that.
>>>>
>>>>As important, the TLDA has not given Joe Baptista the
>>>>right to use the TLDA name, nor has it allowed him to be
>>>>a spokesperson for the TLDA.
>>>>
>>>>Remember BOTH of those things.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Roeland MEYER - net" <Roe...@Caselle-vpn.net>
>>>>To: "Marc Schneiders" <ma...@schneiders.org>; "John
>>>>Palmer" <j...@adns.net>
>>>>Cc: <mem...@TLDA.NET>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:27 AM
>>>>Subject: RE: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT REPRESENTATIVE
>>>>NOTICE - VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS
>>>>
>>>>
>>FAILED (fwd)
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>For different reasons, I agree with John. "Nothing" is an
>>>>>appropriate response here. The TLDA is not directly named as
>>>>>either a defendant or a plaintiff, even if we have a vague
>>>>>third-party interest. At worst case, we can file a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>"We don't now a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>damned thing"/"Not on our watch" statement. In fact,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>we don't. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>do not see any contracts where Xent has a right to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>use the TLDA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>name anyway, unless John signed one when all of us weren't
>>>>>looking.
>>>>>
>>>>>How about it John? Did you?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R
>>>>>Avenue Viollier 24
>>>>>1260 Nyon, Switzerland
>>>>>Mob: +41(0)79295 14 68
>>>>>Web: http://www.roelandmeyer.org
>>>>>Mail: mailto:roel...@roelandmeyer.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: members...@TLDA.NET
>>>>>>[mailto:members...@TLDA.NET]On
>>>>>>Behalf Of Marc Schneiders
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 3:30 PM
>>>>>>To: John Palmer
>>>>>>Cc: mem...@TLDA.NET
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TLDA-Members] PUBLICROOT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>REPRESENTATIVE NOTICE -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>VALIDATIONOFAKZO-NOBEL AND AKZONOBEL TLDS FAILED (fwd)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, at 08:17 [=GMT-0500], John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>Palmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh and who says that a "Scam" has occurred? Joe?
>>>>>>>So far, thats all I see here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Show me a court case/docket number where someone
>>>>>>>was sued for this issue and then maybe we can find
>>>>>>>some time to deal with it in between re-organizing the
>>>>>>>TLDA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, if there would be a court case, I'd say the TLDA
>>>>>>would have to
>>>>>>be careful in expressing its views...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not all problems need to be settled in court. That is
>>>>>>an idea lawyers
>>>>>>are trying to sell us. In my part of the big water we
>>>>>>have other, less
>>>>>>espensive (or should I say: less lucrative?) than law suits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My point is that
>>>>>>>we have nothing but an official looking >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>opinion-piece from Joe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess it wouldn't be difficult to ask him to get the
>>>>>>AkzoNobel
>>>>>>position in writing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I suggest that if we in the TLDA really have that much
>>>>>>>time on our hands, to investigate and do proper due
>>>>>>>dilligence on this matter (so we dont get sued ourselves
>>>>>>>for going off half-cocked), that we spend that effort
>>>>>>>on the reorganization effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>How is it progressing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>>>http://MAIL.TLDA.NET/mailman/listinfo/members
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org
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Joe Baptista
think what Roeland says here is important and concerns us all,
espacially members of the TLDA.
Roeland MEYER - net wrote:
>I just found out about a real deadline that we are trying to hit. If we don't hit it then
>the TLDA isn't an entity.
>
This is an important claim from Roeland. And should be taken seriously
by TLDA members and those concerned with the TLDAs continuance. What
exactly is ment by the above claim - that some deadline exists for the
TLDA and if such deadline is not met then the TLDA ceases to exist as an
entity. What exactly has happened now? Could Roeland explain this. I
felt this should be addressed under a separate subject line since it has
nothing to do with complaints but is obviously an internal TLDA matter.
a.k.a. another crisis.
Joe
Joe Baptista
well with the corporate record. All is well. Peters told me Meyer is
confused concerning dates. Peters said Meyer was under the impression
the TLDAs mandate ended soon - when in fact it only ends next year. I
did the paperwork on that so its not the end of the world. Sorry for
the concerns. If Roeland wants to confirm all is well it is
respectfully submitted that would be welcomed.
cheers
joe