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As an American I can safely say to this .... AMEN!!
America's two biggest problem is its ultra-greedy upper class and its
extremist Christian fundamentalists. The top 1% richest people in the
country own most of the major corporation in the US. They spend
billions lobbying Congress, and thanks to Citizen United vs. the FEC
corporations are legally recognized as "people" and money is
recognized as "free speech". Basically, due to the Supreme Court
decision last year corporations can now spend an unlimited amount of
money in campaign fends to whichever candidate they want to support.
The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Jim Boner, is from the
Tea Party movement. Originally an anti-corporation group, they were
infiltrated by corporate backed agents and fed insane propaganda about
taxes. Now they want to see government destroyed, and they may get
their wish as the US government is headed for a shutdown on Friday if
a budget agreement isn't made between now and tomorrow.
Ultra-conservatives in the Republican party has very pro corporation
and anti-labor. In Wisconsin, the mostly Republican state government
tried unethical, underhanded, and ultimately illegal methods to try
and pass a law that stripped unions of their collective bargaining
rights. The same thing is happening in Ohio, but its worse, the WI
bill which was stopped by the courts didn't touch the Police and
Firefighter Unions, but the OH law strips those unions also.
Police and Firefighter Unions are among the top financial supporters
of the Republican Party. They bit the hand that feeds them, and due
to what the OH government did the GOP is now in panic mode.
All across the US the Republican Party is stripping funding from
education. Because a population that is stupid is easier to control.
They're also trying to for schools to teach Creationism rather than
science. Some are trying to rewrite American History so say the
Founding Father's build the US as a Christian nation for Christians
only. This isn't true.
The public face of the GOP rants that they are all about jobs, jobs,
jobs, but all of their political efforts behind the scenes prevent job
creation, make the middle class poorer, and make the super rich
richer. What is happening here in the US is unsustainable.
Eventually something is going to give and either the US will go the
way of the Roman Empire (you can't honestly say it can't happen, read
your history books, its very possible) or it will be plunged into a
Second Civil War, A Russian official, who's name I can't remember,
predicted in 90's that the US could fall by 2012. The descent would
be swift, starting in 2010 - 2011, and before the end of 2012 there
would be no United States of America. If things keep on the way they
are his predictions may come true. He ever drew up a map showing what
parts of the US would get divided up between the countries that US
owes money to. The west coast would go to China, the east coast would
go to the EU, the south could become its own country if its not
annexed by Mexico, and Canada would likely annex the north.
Well, I live in D.C. If things go that way at least we'll finally get
Eurovision on TV. LOL
Based on how I feel things will go that likely won't happen. Because
of certain forces that are taking place which happen naturally in
cycles the world is starting to turn positive. That's why you're
seeing uprisings against tyranny all over the world, and its only
going to accelerate. So, I'm not going to worry about it because I
know that I know its going to turn out well in the end, and in the
mean time I'm going to get me some popcorn because this going to be
one hell of a show.
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As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and completely.
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Sorry? I think the Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than
the US - you just blew up a few strategically useful targets and
established a long term base in the APAC region. American cultural
world domination is as dismaying to me any other tragedy in history -
Nazis included. They killed people, but your country has destroyed
culture.
Corporations in the US are responsible for the out-of-control
Intellectual Property Protectionism the US is trying to force down the
world's throat. Its a very subtle method of conquest, economically
and sociologically.
Control a people's culture and you can control how they think. Its
basic psychology.
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"[T]he Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than the US...."
History is one of my best subjects. It was a mostly US based force
that pushed the Nazis out of France and North Africa. The British and
Canadians played a role in those campaigns, but the US was able to
commit far more forces and resources to the fight. The US also did
the bulk of the fighting in the South Pacific against the Japanese
navy with from the British Royal Navy and Australia.
Shipyards in the US built 2,751 Liberty Ships between 1941 and 1945,
with some shipyards pumping out a new Liberty Ship once every 6 - 8
weeks. These vessels were heavily targeted by German u-boats, but due
to there being so many of them and there being only so many u-boats
most of the ships were able to get across the Atlantic to deliver
their supplies to the allies. Some 2,400 survived the war and now
only two remain in operation today as museum ships. They kept the
supply chain running while US and British bombers were slowly
eradicating Germany's industrial wartime infrastructure. Improvements
in submarine hunting techniques and technology also diminished the
threat of German u-boats in the Atlantic near the middle of the war.
The US military industrial complex was pretty much born out of WWII
and grew during the Cold War. Their economic and political influence
in this country today is enormous.
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Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head now?
Al.
> History is one of my best subjects. It was a mostly US based force
> that pushed the Nazis out of France and North Africa.
The US role was huge, absolutely. But Hitler arguably lost the day he
double-crossed Stalin, who could and *did* just keep throwing
cannon-fodder at the effort until Hitler was done. Would Hitler have
lost without Stalin beating him down? That's worth an entire shelf of
Harry Turtledove.
- d.
Hitler lost the Russian Campaign due to two reasons.
1. As you stated Stalin wasn't about to back down and he threw
everything Russia had at the Nazi forces. Stalin took Hitler's
double-cross personally, and that is why only the Red Army stormed
Berlin at the end of the war. There were two reasons for this, first
Stalin knew the allies wouldn't hand over regions they controlled to
Soviet control when the war was over, and he wanted to capture
valuable military assets from Germany such as their nuclear weapons
and rocket research programs. In the months following the war,
negotiations resulted in Germany being split between east and west.
Wast Germany was under allied occupation well into the 1950's. The
occupation forces became a part of the forces of NATO in 1955, or so.
The Berlin Wall was dismantled in 1989 and Soviet occupation of West
Germany didn't end until late 1990.
2. Hitler and his general severely under-estimated how brutal
Russia's winters could be. The Germans were not ready for it. The
Russians knew what was coming and they were prepared. The German
forces struggled against frostbite, heavy snow that hindered the
movement of armor vehicles like tanks and truck transports, and
blizzards that reduced visibility down to zero in some instances. The
Russians bunkered down for the winter and hammered the German forces
with artillery fire and tanks adapted for cold weather operation. The
whole Russian Campaign was very poorly thought out. Hitler
under-estimated how ferociously the Soviets would fight back against
his forces, and he under-estimated how bad the weather could get in
Russia during the winter. It was a massive military blunder, which
ultimately I think cost Germany the war. Had Hitler not tried to
invade Russian things in European Campaign might have happened
differently. The allies likely could have lost the fight in Europe if
Russia hadn't entered the war because Hitler was too ambitious for his
own good.
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+1
the kiwi
I find your attitudes at once amusing, offensive, reasonably factual
and misguided. Thank you for making me laugh and feel guilty about it
at the same time.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Thurston [mailto:sam.th...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:12 PM
To: W. Scott Lockwood III
Cc: Nathan Bahn; Sounder Elist
Subject: Re: Now apologise for America, Britain told
On 04/07/2011 04:11 PM, Samuel Thurston wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, W. Scott Lockwood III
> <sc...@guppylog.com> wrote:
>> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I
>> would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel
>> as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down
>> the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had
>> been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two
>> stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United
>> States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and
>> completely.
>>
>> --
>> W. Scott Lockwood III
>
> I find your attitudes at once amusing, offensive, reasonably factual
> and misguided. Thank you for making me laugh and feel guilty about it
> at the same time.
>
I guess I missed the humor part, but otherwise I tend to agree.
It seems obvious (to me) that offending was an explicit goal.
And for those whining about the discussion turning to "religion, politics and history" please kiss my ASCII
Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
~c
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No. For about the eleventy-billionth time.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder
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"Avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments"
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..and so on..
Al.
> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
Explicitly, it's for:
"discussion of subjects of general interest related to the Ubuntu
project, Linux, Open Source or software in general."[0]
It's difficult to argue that the recent bouts of science and politics
meet all of those, I find it hard to believe much of it meets *any* of them.
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On 04/07/2011 04:28 PM, Avi wrote:
> Charlie Derr wrote:
>
>> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally)
>> off-topic discussions?
>
> Explicitly, it's for:
>
> "discussion of subjects of general interest related to the Ubuntu
> project, Linux, Open Source or software in general."[0]
>
> It's difficult to argue that the recent bouts of science and politics
> meet all of those, I find it hard to believe much of it meets *any* of
> them.
>
Hi Avi,
I guess it's all in the matter of perception. I read that description and find that it's pretty all-encompassing. I
find it hard to believe that there are any topics that *aren't* related to the Ubuntu project, linux, open source or
software in general but perhaps that's because I'm so interested in these things that I filter *all* topics through a
lens that has something to do with open source, GNU/linux and/or software. And to be pedantic (as a geek, I take a lot
of pride in that attribute :-]) the "or" means that your emphasis on the word any is superfluous. "Logical or" is a low
bar, it literally means "any" so there should be no expectation that any specific topic has to be related to more than
one of the four things listed.
Partially my view is tainted by the constant attempts of individuals to control more of the world than makes sense.
On the "-user" lists for debian and ubuntu (and in many more places) the constant requests to "take this off-topic
discussion off-list" may be more appropriate (even if they still bug me personally) but here (where everyone is often
pointed when being steered away from "support" oriented venues) perhaps a bit more tolerance is indicated.
In any case, my goal was more in the direction of levity. Whether that came through in my hastily composed prose, I
don't know for sure. But it wasn't my intent to offend, and if I've done so, please accept my apology.
be well,
~c
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I vote for an official offtopic list for the regulars of the Ubuntu
community!
+1
The Kiwi
> +1
> The Kiwi
Eh, I like the give and take of random and varying discussion (its
healthy!) as long as the participants can forget egos and let it all
hang out. maybe this isn't the place, but more's the pity if it isn't.
C'mon, guys, I gots plenty more opinions!
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On Friday, April 08, 2011 04:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:I vote for an official offtopic list for the regulars of the Ubuntu community!
On 7 April 2011 21:20, Charlie Derr<cd...@simons-rock.edu> wrote:
Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
~c
No. For about the eleventy-billionth time.
1. If the British Empire hadn't colonized the Americas, then France would
have been a superpower, stretching all the way to Moscow.
2. Your comment isn't very respectful to all the German Ubuntu users that
surely must be subscribed to this mailing list. They are not responsible
for whatever their (great)grandfathers did.
3. The article in question was irony, something like The Onion. Why does
something funny have to become political and unfunny?
Also, you lost by Godwin.
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Can we stop this now?
Al.
I can read at university level in Dutch, French, English, German and write
at the same level in the first 3. Give me an Italian, Spanish, Portuguese
or Danish newspaper, and I can probably grok most of it. Give me a tour
around Roman or Medieval monuments, and I'll be able to decipher most
Latin inscriptions, albeit slowly.
This is *normal* for most people in my country. How about you?
Agreed. Religion, politics and history should be outlawed on this mailing
list, and offenders should be shot. ;-)
My sincere apologies for contributing to the discussion.
Years ago on one of these mailing lists someone said their father told
them to never mock someone for their poor English, since it's likely
they know more than one language...
(Also, /normal/ in your country? waw, honestly impressed)
I.
On Thu, April 7, 2011 19:52, Alan Pope wrote:Agreed. Religion, politics and history should be outlawed on this mailing
> On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really
>> add
>> America to its list, it was claimed last night.
>>
>
> Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head
> now?
list, and offenders should be shot. ;-)
My sincere apologies for contributing to the discussion.
>> *snip* me boasting my proficiency in several languages *snip*
>>
>> This is *normal* for most people in my country. How about you?
> (Also, /normal/ in your country? waw, honestly impressed)
Yes. We may be the laughing stock of the world with all your 'name 3
famous Belgians'-jokes but we know our languages. AND we host the biggest
yearly free and non-commercial event for free & open source developers:
FOSDEM. Ubuntu always has a booth there. And don't forget the pre-FOSDEM
beer event!
There. I brought the topic back to Ubuntu. Can I have a cookie now? Plz?
Tintin, Dupont and Dupond. There, easy :D
> Can I have a cookie now?
A cookie, with all that awesome Belgian chocolate and beer to have?
Surely not...
Chris
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