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Basil Chupin

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Apr 7, 2011, 8:36:28 AM4/7/11
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IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really add America to its list, it was claimed last night.

As David Cameron told Pakistan that its current balls-out craziness was actually the fault of the British empire, experts pointed to the giant, stupid, disgusting country founded by some people from East Anglia.

Julian Cook, author of America: What the Fuck Were We Thinking?, said: "When Harwich-born Christopher Jones captained the Mayflower in 1620 he began a process that would lead ultimately to genocide, the Ku Klux Klan and Grey's Anatomy.

"Thanks to him and his insane passengers, the way was paved for a nation of heavily armed toddlers led around by an ever-changing roll-call of religious maniacs, grubby conmen and dead-eyed celebrities.

"It doesn't understand anything more than 15 minutes old - except creationism - and is littered with strip malls and heavily branded cheese pumps.

"We have engineered a massive, unstoppable Essex. We should all be in jail."

Cook conceded that other European countries would have taken Britain's place, but stressed: "Then we might have had a massive, unstoppable Dordogne. And that sounds brilliant."

Historian, Roy Hobbs, added: "And let's not forget that in the 19th century we made it even worse by ensuring its eastern seaboard was flooded with drunken, Irish gangsters whose chippy, lachrymose descendants would end up buying millions of U2 albums.

"So as well as Pakistan and America, we created Bono. And how do you even begin to apologise for Bono?"

Meanwhile, Cameron's apology has been questioned by experts who stressed that the £650m in educational aid to Pakistan is being used to counter the sort of peevish, blood thirsty Islam that existed before the British empire was even a shitty little twinkle in a Plantagenet eye.

Bill McKay, professor of tiffin at Reading University, said: "If it wasn't for a smattering of slightly giddy, gin-hammering colonists and jolly, Simon Callow-style vicars it could actually have been much, much worse."


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Nathan Bahn

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B.C.--

I realize that the article is tongue-in-cheek; however, I must say that the U.S. (and in particular, its power elite) owes the world not just apologies, but reparations as well!  Truly, the U.S. is an empire in all but name!  But don't take my word for it:  Read both
  • Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler, 2004); and
  • The Secret History of the American Empire (New York: Dutton / Penguin Group, 2007)
by John Perkins.

My 2¢, anyway.

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Michael Haney

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:10:28 PM4/7/11
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As an American I can safely say to this .... AMEN!!

America's two biggest problem is its ultra-greedy upper class and its
extremist Christian fundamentalists. The top 1% richest people in the
country own most of the major corporation in the US. They spend
billions lobbying Congress, and thanks to Citizen United vs. the FEC
corporations are legally recognized as "people" and money is
recognized as "free speech". Basically, due to the Supreme Court
decision last year corporations can now spend an unlimited amount of
money in campaign fends to whichever candidate they want to support.

The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Jim Boner, is from the
Tea Party movement. Originally an anti-corporation group, they were
infiltrated by corporate backed agents and fed insane propaganda about
taxes. Now they want to see government destroyed, and they may get
their wish as the US government is headed for a shutdown on Friday if
a budget agreement isn't made between now and tomorrow.
Ultra-conservatives in the Republican party has very pro corporation
and anti-labor. In Wisconsin, the mostly Republican state government
tried unethical, underhanded, and ultimately illegal methods to try
and pass a law that stripped unions of their collective bargaining
rights. The same thing is happening in Ohio, but its worse, the WI
bill which was stopped by the courts didn't touch the Police and
Firefighter Unions, but the OH law strips those unions also.

Police and Firefighter Unions are among the top financial supporters
of the Republican Party. They bit the hand that feeds them, and due
to what the OH government did the GOP is now in panic mode.

All across the US the Republican Party is stripping funding from
education. Because a population that is stupid is easier to control.
They're also trying to for schools to teach Creationism rather than
science. Some are trying to rewrite American History so say the
Founding Father's build the US as a Christian nation for Christians
only. This isn't true.

The public face of the GOP rants that they are all about jobs, jobs,
jobs, but all of their political efforts behind the scenes prevent job
creation, make the middle class poorer, and make the super rich
richer. What is happening here in the US is unsustainable.
Eventually something is going to give and either the US will go the
way of the Roman Empire (you can't honestly say it can't happen, read
your history books, its very possible) or it will be plunged into a
Second Civil War, A Russian official, who's name I can't remember,
predicted in 90's that the US could fall by 2012. The descent would
be swift, starting in 2010 - 2011, and before the end of 2012 there
would be no United States of America. If things keep on the way they
are his predictions may come true. He ever drew up a map showing what
parts of the US would get divided up between the countries that US
owes money to. The west coast would go to China, the east coast would
go to the EU, the south could become its own country if its not
annexed by Mexico, and Canada would likely annex the north.

Well, I live in D.C. If things go that way at least we'll finally get
Eurovision on TV. LOL

Based on how I feel things will go that likely won't happen. Because
of certain forces that are taking place which happen naturally in
cycles the world is starting to turn positive. That's why you're
seeing uprisings against tyranny all over the world, and its only
going to accelerate. So, I'm not going to worry about it because I
know that I know its going to turn out well in the end, and in the
mean time I'm going to get me some popcorn because this going to be
one hell of a show.

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W. Scott Lockwood III

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:13:42 PM4/7/11
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As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and completely.

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David Sanders

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:23:22 PM4/7/11
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On 7 April 2011 17:13, W. Scott Lockwood III <sc...@guppylog.com> wrote:
> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I
> would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel
> as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down
> the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had
> been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two
> stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United
> States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and
> completely.

Sorry? I think the Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than
the US - you just blew up a few strategically useful targets and
established a long term base in the APAC region. American cultural
world domination is as dismaying to me any other tragedy in history -
Nazis included. They killed people, but your country has destroyed
culture.

David Sanders

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:25:51 PM4/7/11
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On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really add
> America to its list, it was claimed last night.
>
> As David Cameron told Pakistan that its current balls-out craziness was
> actually the fault of the British empire, experts pointed to the giant,
> stupid, disgusting country founded by some people from East Anglia.
That's very funny by the way! :-) (sorry for personal mail Basil)

Michael Haney

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Apr 7, 2011, 12:44:07 PM4/7/11
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David Sanders <dsuzuki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 17:13, W. Scott Lockwood III <sc...@guppylog.com> wrote:
>> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I
>> would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel
>> as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down
>> the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had
>> been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two
>> stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United
>> States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and
>> completely.
>
> Sorry? I think the Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than
> the US - you just blew up a few strategically useful targets and
> established a long term base in the APAC region.  American cultural
> world domination is as dismaying to me any other tragedy in history -
> Nazis included. They killed people, but your country has destroyed
> culture.
>

Corporations in the US are responsible for the out-of-control
Intellectual Property Protectionism the US is trying to force down the
world's throat. Its a very subtle method of conquest, economically
and sociologically.

Control a people's culture and you can control how they think. Its
basic psychology.

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Nathan Bahn

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Apr 7, 2011, 1:02:23 PM4/7/11
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David Sanders <dsuzuki...@gmail.com> wrote:
"[T]he Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than the US...."



Anyone who has studied the European theater of operations must concede that compared with what the losses that the Russians (er, "Soviets") incurred on the eastern front, the allies on the western front had a cakewalk.

Michael Haney

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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Nathan Bahn <natha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David Sanders <dsuzuki...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> "[T]he Russians had more to do with the end of WWII than the US...."
>
>
> Anyone who has studied the European theater of operations must concede that
> compared with what the losses that the Russians (er, "Soviets") incurred on
> the eastern front, the allies on the western front had a cakewalk.
>
> The U.S. lost approximately three hundred thousand troops in western Europe
> ( http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2-loss.htm );
> In Eastern Europe the Soviet Union lost between  eight MILLION eight hundred
> thousand and ten MILLION seven hundred thousand (and those numbers EXCLUDE
> civilian losses) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties.
> (and I could very well add that Poland went through its very own unique
> Hell.....)
>

History is one of my best subjects. It was a mostly US based force
that pushed the Nazis out of France and North Africa. The British and
Canadians played a role in those campaigns, but the US was able to
commit far more forces and resources to the fight. The US also did
the bulk of the fighting in the South Pacific against the Japanese
navy with from the British Royal Navy and Australia.

Shipyards in the US built 2,751 Liberty Ships between 1941 and 1945,
with some shipyards pumping out a new Liberty Ship once every 6 - 8
weeks. These vessels were heavily targeted by German u-boats, but due
to there being so many of them and there being only so many u-boats
most of the ships were able to get across the Atlantic to deliver
their supplies to the allies. Some 2,400 survived the war and now
only two remain in operation today as museum ships. They kept the
supply chain running while US and British bombers were slowly
eradicating Germany's industrial wartime infrastructure. Improvements
in submarine hunting techniques and technology also diminished the
threat of German u-boats in the Atlantic near the middle of the war.

The US military industrial complex was pretty much born out of WWII
and grew during the Cold War. Their economic and political influence
in this country today is enormous.

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Alan Pope

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Apr 7, 2011, 1:52:10 PM4/7/11
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On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really add
> America to its list, it was claimed last night.
>

Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head now?

Al.

David Gerard

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Apr 7, 2011, 2:28:46 PM4/7/11
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On 7 April 2011 18:31, Michael Haney <thez...@gmail.com> wrote:

> History is one of my best subjects.  It was a mostly US based force
> that pushed the Nazis out of France and North Africa.


The US role was huge, absolutely. But Hitler arguably lost the day he
double-crossed Stalin, who could and *did* just keep throwing
cannon-fodder at the effort until Hitler was done. Would Hitler have
lost without Stalin beating him down? That's worth an entire shelf of
Harry Turtledove.


- d.

Michael Haney

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Apr 7, 2011, 3:48:52 PM4/7/11
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 2:28 PM, David Gerard <dge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 18:31, Michael Haney <thez...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> History is one of my best subjects.  It was a mostly US based force
>> that pushed the Nazis out of France and North Africa.
>
>
> The US role was huge, absolutely. But Hitler arguably lost the day he
> double-crossed Stalin, who could and *did* just keep throwing
> cannon-fodder at the effort until Hitler was done. Would Hitler have
> lost without Stalin beating him down? That's worth an entire shelf of
> Harry Turtledove.
>

Hitler lost the Russian Campaign due to two reasons.

1. As you stated Stalin wasn't about to back down and he threw
everything Russia had at the Nazi forces. Stalin took Hitler's
double-cross personally, and that is why only the Red Army stormed
Berlin at the end of the war. There were two reasons for this, first
Stalin knew the allies wouldn't hand over regions they controlled to
Soviet control when the war was over, and he wanted to capture
valuable military assets from Germany such as their nuclear weapons
and rocket research programs. In the months following the war,
negotiations resulted in Germany being split between east and west.
Wast Germany was under allied occupation well into the 1950's. The
occupation forces became a part of the forces of NATO in 1955, or so.
The Berlin Wall was dismantled in 1989 and Soviet occupation of West
Germany didn't end until late 1990.

2. Hitler and his general severely under-estimated how brutal
Russia's winters could be. The Germans were not ready for it. The
Russians knew what was coming and they were prepared. The German
forces struggled against frostbite, heavy snow that hindered the
movement of armor vehicles like tanks and truck transports, and
blizzards that reduced visibility down to zero in some instances. The
Russians bunkered down for the winter and hammered the German forces
with artillery fire and tanks adapted for cold weather operation. The
whole Russian Campaign was very poorly thought out. Hitler
under-estimated how ferociously the Soviets would fight back against
his forces, and he under-estimated how bad the weather could get in
Russia during the winter. It was a massive military blunder, which
ultimately I think cost Germany the war. Had Hitler not tried to
invade Russian things in European Campaign might have happened
differently. The allies likely could have lost the fight in Europe if
Russia hadn't entered the war because Hitler was too ambitious for his
own good.

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chris

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Apr 7, 2011, 4:01:09 PM4/7/11
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On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 18:52 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really add
> > America to its list, it was claimed last night.
> >
>
> Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head now?
>
> Al.
>

+1
the kiwi

Samuel Thurston

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Apr 7, 2011, 4:11:39 PM4/7/11
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, W. Scott Lockwood III
<sc...@guppylog.com> wrote:
> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I
> would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel
> as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down
> the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had
> been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two
> stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United
> States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and
> completely.
>
> --
> W. Scott Lockwood III

I find your attitudes at once amusing, offensive, reasonably factual
and misguided. Thank you for making me laugh and feel guilty about it
at the same time.

W. Scott Lockwood III

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Apr 7, 2011, 4:18:03 PM4/7/11
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I support your right to feel, and to express all of those things. ;-)

Remember: If you can read, thank a teacher. If you're doing it in English, thank a servicemam.

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Charlie Derr

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On 04/07/2011 04:11 PM, Samuel Thurston wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:13 AM, W. Scott Lockwood III
> <sc...@guppylog.com> wrote:
>> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years), I
>> would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who feel
>> as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be goose-stepping down
>> the streets of London and speaking German right now. Assuming any of you had
>> been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not forget why there are two
>> stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress blue uniform in the United
>> States Navy – one for each time we have kicked your ass, soundly and
>> completely.
>>
>> --
>> W. Scott Lockwood III
>
> I find your attitudes at once amusing, offensive, reasonably factual
> and misguided. Thank you for making me laugh and feel guilty about it
> at the same time.
>

I guess I missed the humor part, but otherwise I tend to agree.

It seems obvious (to me) that offending was an explicit goal.

And for those whining about the discussion turning to "religion, politics and history" please kiss my ASCII

Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
~c

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Alan Pope

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Apr 7, 2011, 4:29:47 PM4/7/11
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On 7 April 2011 21:20, Charlie Derr <cd...@simons-rock.edu> wrote:
> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
>        ~c

No. For about the eleventy-billionth time.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder

"The Sounder mailing list should be used for discussion of subjects of
general interest related to the Ubuntu project, Linux, Open Source or
software in general. "

"Please take a moment to read the Ubuntu mailing list guidelines
before posting:- http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists"

"Avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments"

"Every mailing list deals with a specific subject matter (a topic). It
is important to limit discussion to that topic so that the mailing
list remains productive. When writing to mailing lists, bear in mind
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positively to a relevant discussion."

..and so on..

Al.

Avi

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Apr 7, 2011, 4:40:44 PM4/7/11
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Charlie Derr wrote:

> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?

Explicitly, it's for:

"discussion of subjects of general interest related to the Ubuntu

project, Linux, Open Source or software in general."[0]

It's difficult to argue that the recent bouts of science and politics
meet all of those, I find it hard to believe much of it meets *any* of them.

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Charlie Derr

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On 04/07/2011 04:28 PM, Avi wrote:


> Charlie Derr wrote:
>
>> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally)
>> off-topic discussions?
>

> Explicitly, it's for:
>
> "discussion of subjects of general interest related to the Ubuntu
> project, Linux, Open Source or software in general."[0]
>
> It's difficult to argue that the recent bouts of science and politics
> meet all of those, I find it hard to believe much of it meets *any* of
> them.
>

Hi Avi,

I guess it's all in the matter of perception. I read that description and find that it's pretty all-encompassing. I
find it hard to believe that there are any topics that *aren't* related to the Ubuntu project, linux, open source or
software in general but perhaps that's because I'm so interested in these things that I filter *all* topics through a
lens that has something to do with open source, GNU/linux and/or software. And to be pedantic (as a geek, I take a lot
of pride in that attribute :-]) the "or" means that your emphasis on the word any is superfluous. "Logical or" is a low
bar, it literally means "any" so there should be no expectation that any specific topic has to be related to more than
one of the four things listed.

Partially my view is tainted by the constant attempts of individuals to control more of the world than makes sense.
On the "-user" lists for debian and ubuntu (and in many more places) the constant requests to "take this off-topic
discussion off-list" may be more appropriate (even if they still bug me personally) but here (where everyone is often
pointed when being steered away from "support" oriented venues) perhaps a bit more tolerance is indicated.

In any case, my goal was more in the direction of levity. Whether that came through in my hastily composed prose, I
don't know for sure. But it wasn't my intent to offend, and if I've done so, please accept my apology.

be well,
~c

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Christopher Chan

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Apr 7, 2011, 8:44:29 PM4/7/11
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On Friday, April 08, 2011 04:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 21:20, Charlie Derr<cd...@simons-rock.edu> wrote:
>> Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
>> ~c
>
> No. For about the eleventy-billionth time.

I vote for an official offtopic list for the regulars of the Ubuntu
community!

chris

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Apr 8, 2011, 1:26:53 AM4/8/11
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+1
The Kiwi

Cybe R. Wizard

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Apr 8, 2011, 1:44:06 AM4/8/11
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:26:53 +1200
chris <che...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
> The Kiwi

Eh, I like the give and take of random and varying discussion (its
healthy!) as long as the participants can forget egos and let it all
hang out. maybe this isn't the place, but more's the pity if it isn't.

C'mon, guys, I gots plenty more opinions!

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Nathan Bahn

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Apr 8, 2011, 3:31:02 AM4/8/11
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Christopher Chan <christop...@bradbury.edu.hk> wrote:
On Friday, April 08, 2011 04:29 AM, Alan Pope wrote:
On 7 April 2011 21:20, Charlie Derr<cd...@simons-rock.edu>  wrote:
Isn't this list is "explicitly for" such (otherwise normally) off-topic discussions?
       ~c

No. For about the eleventy-billionth time.

I vote for an official offtopic list for the regulars of the Ubuntu community!



+1  Here!  Here!

Amedee Van Gasse

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:21:22 AM4/8/11
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On Thu, April 7, 2011 18:13, W. Scott Lockwood III wrote:
> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years),
> I would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who
> feel as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be
> goose-stepping down the streets of London and speaking German right now.
> Assuming any of you had been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not
> forget why there are two stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress
> blue uniform in the United States Navy – one for each time we have kicked
> your ass, soundly and completely.

1. If the British Empire hadn't colonized the Americas, then France would
have been a superpower, stretching all the way to Moscow.

2. Your comment isn't very respectful to all the German Ubuntu users that
surely must be subscribed to this mailing list. They are not responsible
for whatever their (great)grandfathers did.

3. The article in question was irony, something like The Onion. Why does
something funny have to become political and unfunny?

Amedee Van Gasse

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:25:42 AM4/8/11
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On Thu, April 7, 2011 18:13, W. Scott Lockwood III wrote:
> As an American who has served in the US armed forces (US Navy, 8 years),
> I would just like to say to you and all the other people in England who
> feel as you do, Eat Shit, limey. Were it not for us, you’d be
> goose-stepping down the streets of London and speaking German right now.
> Assuming any of you had been left alive by the Germans, of course. Do not
> forget why there are two stars on the back of every enlisted man’s dress
> blue uniform in the United States Navy – one for each time we have kicked
> your ass, soundly and completely.

Also, you lost by Godwin.

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Alan Pope

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:26:25 AM4/8/11
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On 8 April 2011 09:25, Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be> wrote:
> Also, you lost by Godwin.
>
> "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
> involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
>

Can we stop this now?

Al.

Amedee Van Gasse

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:36:21 AM4/8/11
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On Thu, April 7, 2011 22:18, W. Scott Lockwood III wrote:
> I support your right to feel, and to express all of those things. ;-)
>
> Remember: If you can read, thank a teacher. If you're doing it in English,
> thank a servicemam.

I can read at university level in Dutch, French, English, German and write
at the same level in the first 3. Give me an Italian, Spanish, Portuguese
or Danish newspaper, and I can probably grok most of it. Give me a tour
around Roman or Medieval monuments, and I'll be able to decipher most
Latin inscriptions, albeit slowly.

This is *normal* for most people in my country. How about you?

Amedee Van Gasse

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:39:03 AM4/8/11
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On Thu, April 7, 2011 19:52, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really
>> add
>> America to its list, it was claimed last night.
>>
>
> Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head
> now?

Agreed. Religion, politics and history should be outlawed on this mailing
list, and offenders should be shot. ;-)

My sincere apologies for contributing to the discussion.

Ignazio Palmisano

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Apr 8, 2011, 4:49:34 AM4/8/11
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2011/4/8 Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be>:

> On Thu, April 7, 2011 22:18, W. Scott Lockwood III wrote:
>> I support your right to feel, and to express all of those things. ;-)
>>
>> Remember: If you can read, thank a teacher. If you're doing it in English,
>> thank a servicemam.
>
> I can read at university level in Dutch, French, English, German and write
> at the same level in the first 3. Give me an Italian, Spanish, Portuguese
> or Danish newspaper, and I can probably grok most of it. Give me a tour
> around Roman or Medieval monuments, and I'll be able to decipher most
> Latin inscriptions, albeit slowly.
>
> This is *normal* for most people in my country. How about you?

Years ago on one of these mailing lists someone said their father told
them to never mock someone for their poor English, since it's likely
they know more than one language...

(Also, /normal/ in your country? waw, honestly impressed)
I.

Nathan Bahn

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Apr 8, 2011, 5:01:47 AM4/8/11
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be> wrote:
On Thu, April 7, 2011 19:52, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 7 April 2011 13:36, Basil Chupin <blch...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> IF Britain is in the mood for apologising for things it should really
>> add
>> America to its list, it was claimed last night.
>>
>
> Can we please knock the religion, politics and history lessons on the head
> now?

Agreed. Religion, politics and history should be outlawed on this mailing
list, and offenders should be shot. ;-)

My sincere apologies for contributing to the discussion.
 


A.V.G.--
Believe you me, I'm not asking for an apology!  Being monolingual, I'm awestruck by you!

Amedee Van Gasse

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Apr 8, 2011, 10:53:20 AM4/8/11
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On Fri, April 8, 2011 10:49, Ignazio Palmisano wrote:
> 2011/4/8 Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be>:

>> *snip* me boasting my proficiency in several languages *snip*


>>
>> This is *normal* for most people in my country. How about you?

> (Also, /normal/ in your country? waw, honestly impressed)

Yes. We may be the laughing stock of the world with all your 'name 3
famous Belgians'-jokes but we know our languages. AND we host the biggest
yearly free and non-commercial event for free & open source developers:
FOSDEM. Ubuntu always has a booth there. And don't forget the pre-FOSDEM
beer event!

There. I brought the topic back to Ubuntu. Can I have a cookie now? Plz?

Chris Puttick

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Apr 8, 2011, 11:09:08 AM4/8/11
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> 'name 3 famous Belgians'

Tintin, Dupont and Dupond. There, easy :D

> Can I have a cookie now?

A cookie, with all that awesome Belgian chocolate and beer to have?
Surely not...

Chris
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Apr 9, 2011, 8:42:57 PM4/9/11
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On 09/04/2011 01:09, Chris Puttick wrote:
'name 3 famous Belgians'
Tintin, Dupont and Dupond. There, easy :D

Can I have a cookie now?
A cookie, with all that awesome Belgian chocolate and beer to have?
Surely not...

Chris


Have you seen this? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70

Someone posted it here, I think, a while back.

BC

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