11.04 schism
Samuel Thurston
left to wonder about the future of Ubuntu. I for one will probably
not use a distro based around unity because it doesn't meet my
workflow needs. (at least not unless it matures quickly)
I'm not sold on gnome shell yet which seems to be the preferred alternative.
But this makes me wonder, will the community split into two factions?
perhaps Unity-arians and GNOstics?
:P
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chris
> with the recent spate of religious discussion here on sounder, I am
> left to wonder about the future of Ubuntu. I for one will probably
> not use a distro based around unity because it doesn't meet my
> workflow needs. (at least not unless it matures quickly)
>
> I'm not sold on gnome shell yet which seems to be the preferred alternative.
>
> But this makes me wonder, will the community split into two factions?
>
> perhaps Unity-arians and GNOstics?
>
> :P
>
What about us agNOSTICS?
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Amedee Van Gasse
> On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 20:51 -0500, Samuel Thurston wrote:
>> with the recent spate of religious discussion here on sounder, I am
>> left to wonder about the future of Ubuntu. I for one will probably
>> not use a distro based around unity because it doesn't meet my
>> workflow needs. (at least not unless it matures quickly)
>>
>> I'm not sold on gnome shell yet which seems to be the preferred
>> alternative.
>>
>> But this makes me wonder, will the community split into two factions?
>>
>> perhaps Unity-arians and GNOstics?
>>
>> :P
>>
>
> What about us agNOSTICS?
What about Ignostics?
Seriously guys (and girls, although I haven't seen a lot of them on this
list, and that's a shame), millions of people use Ubuntu (Wikipedia
states: "With an estimated global usage of more than 12 million users",
that's as much as a medium-sized European country) and only a handful of
them complain online. Some perspective would be nice.
Cybe R. Wizard
"Amedee Van Gasse" <amedee...@amedee.be> wrote:
> "With an estimated global usage of more than 12 million users",
> that's as much as a medium-sized European country) and only a handful
> of them complain online. Some perspective would be nice.
Possibly they all purchase support from Canonical.
That'd be nice.
Cybe R. Wizard
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Samuel Thurston
<amedee...@amedee.be> wrote:
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 04:43, chris wrote:
>> On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 20:51 -0500, Samuel Thurston wrote:
>>> with the recent spate of religious discussion here on sounder, I am
>>> left to wonder about the future of Ubuntu. I for one will probably
>>> not use a distro based around unity because it doesn't meet my
>>> workflow needs. (at least not unless it matures quickly)
>>>
>>> I'm not sold on gnome shell yet which seems to be the preferred
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> But this makes me wonder, will the community split into two factions?
>>>
>>> perhaps Unity-arians and GNOstics?
>>>
>>> :P
>>>
>>
>> What about us agNOSTICS?
I suppose you're not sure what DE is right for you?
>
> What about Ignostics?
All the DE's are wrong: you must be a CLI-only user.
>
> Seriously guys (and girls, although I haven't seen a lot of them on this
> list, and that's a shame), millions of people use Ubuntu (Wikipedia
> states: "With an estimated global usage of more than 12 million users",
> that's as much as a medium-sized European country) and only a handful of
> them complain online. Some perspective would be nice.
>
>
Well while I was initally just making a bit of a joke, consider that
enough people complained (as it were) upfront in the project to get a
sizeable faction of Kubuntu users to splinter-- are these folks
counted in your 12 million figure? likely. Yet there are still two
"separate" communities. As well as xbuntu, edubuntu, and so on. Will
there now be a gbuntu or gnobuntu or whatever to satsify people like
me?
It's an old maxim in marketing, and I'm paraphrasing here: A
satisfied customer might tell 1 or 2 friends, a dissatisfied customer
on average tells 10.
Squeaky wheels tend to get the grease, in other words. I also think
it's probable that the small fraction complaining represents a larger
group of "silent but grumpy" users.
Also keep in mind I'm not complaining about the switch to unity. I
just don't think it's for me, and if mainstream support for what I
consider a "real" DE doesn't stay part of Ubuntu, I'm likely to look
elsewhere. It's not that I don't think Unity will ever get there, I
just don't think it's there yet, and I don't have any devices except
maybe my android phone where I could see any benefit from it.
Christopher Chan
> Also keep in mind I'm not complaining about the switch to unity. I
> just don't think it's for me, and if mainstream support for what I
> consider a "real" DE doesn't stay part of Ubuntu, I'm likely to look
> elsewhere. It's not that I don't think Unity will ever get there, I
> just don't think it's there yet, and I don't have any devices except
> maybe my android phone where I could see any benefit from it.
>
Kubuntu should not be too bad now. I endured the entire KDE fiasco from
Hardy to Lucid and the lucidness is mostly gone now.
Myriam Schweingruber (private)
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:05, Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be> wrote:
> On Mon, April 11, 2011 04:43, chris wrote:
>> On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 20:51 -0500, Samuel Thurston wrote:
>>> with the recent spate of religious discussion here on sounder, I am
>>> left to wonder about the future of Ubuntu. I for one will probably
>>> not use a distro based around unity because it doesn't meet my
>>> workflow needs. (at least not unless it matures quickly)
>>>
>>> I'm not sold on gnome shell yet which seems to be the preferred
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> But this makes me wonder, will the community split into two factions?
>>>
>>> perhaps Unity-arians and GNOstics?
>>>
>>> :P
>>>
>>
>> What about us agNOSTICS?
>
> What about Ignostics?
>
> Seriously guys (and girls, although I haven't seen a lot of them on this
> list, and that's a shame)
I think I must be the only woman on this list, and I was one of the
early subscribers back when the list started in Hoary times. Since
then the list has changed a lot and is far too often off-topic and
political that I got aware today that I actually do nothing else than
skip it.
I am Swiss and European in the heart, quadrilingual and open to a lot
of cultures, but I am wary of reading only USA-centric political
and/or religious rambling on this list.
By folks and enjoy yourself as long as you still can. I unsubscribe
after this, as I think the spirit of what sounder was meant to carry
has long gone since.
Regards, Myriam.
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Samuel Thurston
After having done a rather exhaustive analysis of the list's traffic,
it's really _not_ dominated by political and religious discussions,
and if anything in my perception it's more UK-centric than USA. But
your opinions are yours, and I'm really saddened that you feel the
list doesn't appeal to you anymore.
Before you go, may I ask you what spirit you thought it was meant to
carry that the list now lacks?
Regards,
Sam
Christopher Chan
> Before you go, may I ask you what spirit you thought it was meant to
> carry that the list now lacks?
>
I believe Alan has hinted at that and due to the changes from what it
was, he now wants the sounder list gone.
Which is fine but give us an ubuntu-offtopic list like there is for irc
if you don't want the sounder name for the social list.
Amedee Van Gasse
>>> What about us agNOSTICS?
>
> I suppose you're not sure what DE is right for you?
>
>>
>> What about Ignostics?
>
> All the DE's are wrong: you must be a CLI-only user.
Wow. Spot on. I'm impressed. Yes indeed I occasionally dabble in a DE but
I feel that I'm more efficient in a CLI. I breathe bash, grep, sed, awk
and friend.
Amedee Van Gasse
> Hi all,
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:05, Amedee Van Gasse <amedee...@amedee.be>
> wrote:
>> Seriously guys (and girls, although I haven't seen a lot of them on this
>> list, and that's a shame)
>
> I think I must be the only woman on this list, and I was one of the
> early subscribers back when the list started in Hoary times. Since
> then the list has changed a lot and is far too often off-topic and
> political that I got aware today that I actually do nothing else than
> skip it.
> I am Swiss and European in the heart, quadrilingual and open to a lot
> of cultures, but I am wary of reading only USA-centric political
> and/or religious rambling on this list.
> By folks and enjoy yourself as long as you still can. I unsubscribe
> after this, as I think the spirit of what sounder was meant to carry
> has long gone since.
>
> Regards, Myriam.
"There goes our last female." - Dodo, Ice Age (2002)
Goodbye, Myriam. I'm sorry to see you leave.